Do you think Slash misses playing some of his classic GNR solos live?

[stolat]

Just accept the fact that some GNR fans are not so hunky dory with what VR stands for and deal with it.

Debating about whether it is right or wrong for them to do it is an entirely different conversation than whether or not it is ethical. They are mutually exclusive things.

  Ethics is the study of right and wrong! You know I'm a teacher don't you! 

PS. END OF DISCUSSION means END OF DISCUSSION

[-Jack-]

PS. END OF DISCUSSION means END OF DISCUSSION

Didn't you end the discussion already? Why are you still discussing? Why do I have the feeling you'll come back just to try and have the last word?

Anyways, sis I guess everyone will have their own opinions. I'm glad VR songs that reflect the history of it's band members. Seems ethical to me 

And btw, Naupis I get you man.. don't stress over this crap. 

[stolat]

-Jack- I'm a teacher, it would be wrong of me to leave Naupis with the misguided impression that ethics and right and wrong are mutually exclusive things. That's all. 

[estrangedpaul]

no its completely different.? Finck is playing some of Slash's original solos because he replaced Slash in Guns N' Roses.? Just as Gilby played Izzy's parts because he replaced Izzy years and years ago.? ? ?Weiland on the other hand has nothing to do with GnR and that disrespectful asshole shouldn't even be touching GnR songs - given the way he has ran his mouth about Axl and clearly dispises everything the GnR legacy stands for..

Oh yeah if he sings 2 or 3 gnr songs every gig he clearly despises their legacy...oh wait a minute that doesn't make any sense. He also called It's So Easy one of his favourite songs of the last 20 years and praised Axl's vocals. The recent dispute is over nothing, I wouldn't read too much into it. It was just because a lawsuit was going on at the time and everyone started running their mouths

Your point about Finck is valid, but you're ignoring the fact that lots of people (Sebastian Bach, Robert Plant, Roger Waters, loads more) play songs from their previous bands.

I find it ironic about Jim Bob bitching about the VR setlist, as he's always complaining when people do the same with GnR. "Just enjoy the show, if you're not going then why do you care, GnR give the fans what they want, people who bitch about the setlist need to get a life, bla, bla, bla". I agree with all that, but it all applies to VR as well. They're entitled to play whatever they want, its their show.

[estrangedpaul]

Look dude, I'm bored by this. I raised a few points as to why I am not impressed by Weiland doing GN'R songs.

There is another thread on this board where members refer to comments made by Weiland. Read it. There was also a thread showing a photo where Scott is dressed up to parody Axl.

If you can't understand an argument based on ethics, then your not at the stage to have an ethical discussion with me. You keep going on about, but they helped write it......so what, I don't think it's right. NOT ETHICAL. Understand we are arguing at different levels.

Don't call me bro, I'm a chick. My ethical argument is not based on bias, that why it's an ethical argument.

Since you can't understand why I think it is wrong for Scott to sing GN'R songs, you certainly won't understand what I think VR stand for.

Also, learn to identify when a discussion has come to an end. For me it was several posts ago. END OF DISCUSSION.

Its not end of discussion - if you keep talking shite, be hypocritical, and not back up your points, people are gonna call you on it.

Murder is unethical. So is robbery. Playing certain songs at a gig is not unethical. Each band is entitled to play whatever songs they like. It's not any different to Paul McCartney, Roger Waters, etc. If you think otherwise you're being a hypocrite/talking shite.

For the record, Roger Waters left Pink Floyd. The band continued without him. He also hates Dave Gilmour(re; axl vs weiland/slash). It didn't stop him playing Pink Floyd songs, many of which were sung by Gilmour. And nobody complained then. So there is a precedent.

You could also think of Chris Cornell doing Sleep Now In The Fire with audioslave. Lots of bands do this stuff, but for some reason special ethical rules apply to VR that make no sense.

[-Jack-]

-Jack- I'm a teacher, it would be wrong of me to leave Naupis with the misguided impression that ethics and right and wrong are mutually exclusive things. That's all. 

Lol. Ok that's fine  . End of discussion 

[deanaxlrose]

yes I think he misses so much.
but, can you imagine Weiland do SCOM, WTTJ, or Nightrain ?
Slash Know Scott limits. if Scott can sing all those song He'll do it.

[mrlee]

yes I think he misses so much.
but, can you imagine Weiland do SCOM, WTTJ, or Nightrain ?
Slash Know Scott limits. if Scott can sing all those song He'll do it.

they should have got a singer with more range i think.

do you reckon slash has much shorter solos than he did in guns because of weiland or because hes chosen not to?

[Falcon]

do you reckon slash has much shorter solos than he did in guns because of weiland or because hes chosen not to?

Combo of both probably.

I don't think Scott's vision for the band has any long in the tooth type songs that would call for any extended wankering while the material Slash seems to be writing seems more focused and less repetitive (save his work on "Messages" )

[estrangedpaul]

yes I think he misses so much.
but, can you imagine Weiland do SCOM, WTTJ, or Nightrain ?
Slash Know Scott limits. if Scott can sing all those song He'll do it.

they should have got a singer with more range i think.

do you reckon slash has much shorter solos than he did in guns because of weiland or because hes chosen not to?

If you compare to AFD, they're about the same length, with the exception of Nightrain, PC and SCOM which have long solos. But the likes of It's So Easy, My Michelle and Think About You have relatively short solos. Most of the others are in between. Most VR solos are in between, although Grave Dancer has  a fairly long solo.

The UYI albums were a different matter, but VR have much more in common with AFD than UYI.

The VR songs are all quite short so an extra-long solo would sound out of place. UYI songs were generally much longer and epic in nature, longer guitar solos were called for.

I remember in an interview for Contraband with Guitarist magazine where he said he wasn't into playing big long structured solos because he's not out to impress anyone anymore. He also used to create the GnR solos beforehand whereas now they are much more improvised.

I don't think anyone can have a problem with Slash's solos with VR - Sucker Train Blues, Headspace, Fall To Pieces, You Got No Right, Slither, Dirty Little Thing, Loving The Alien, Let It Roll, She Builds Quick Machines, American Man, Just Sixteen, Can't Get It Out Of My Head, all great and fairly long. Grave Dancer is probably the longest but I don't include in the list coz I don't like that song or solo.

I don't think they need a singer with more range - he suits the kinda music that VR are making, which worked for CB, but which is fairly limited on Libertad unfortunately.

[Krispy Kreme]

Not if you've signed over the rights.

This is idiocy. It has to do with who "owns" the song for purposes of royalties. It has absolutely nothing to  do with whether a song can be played in concert.

really, I  am  speechless  at  the level of misinformation  sometimes....

[domi]

Also, learn to identify when a discussion has come to an end. For me it was several posts ago. END OF DISCUSSION.

Looking on your posting average I've never considered this sentence possible.

Furthermore I fully agree with Naupis and Jack about this discussion. I for myself also enjoyed that they played some GNR tunes when I saw them and also the whole crowd loved it and I think that's the most important part at a concert that everyone has fun. Both, musicians and the crowd.

Concerning the main topic I don't know if he misses it but it's funny to imagine that he sometimes could drop Use Your Illusion I in his CD player and plays along with "Coma" or so.