Did STAR WARS Episodes I, II and III suck?

[GeraldFord]

I think Episode I was bad, really really bad...

II was better, but not great.

III was pretty good, at least as good as VI.

That said, even III suffered from some of the same problems as I and II--wooden acting, miscasting actors, etc.

[Genesis]

I'm gonna get killed for saying that I hate the entire Star Wars franchise. I don't see what the fucking hype is all about. A bunch of ugly aliens and weird looking robots... and people actually forming a religion called "The Force"? Nuts.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going into hiding.

[von]

I somewhat agree with you about Revenge of the Sith being a step up in this trilogy, but still only matching the lowest point in the "classic" trilogy, being Jedi. Somewhat because I actually like Attack of the Clones best out of the new trilogy. Empire is best of the series.

[GeraldFord]

I'm gonna get killed for saying that I hate the entire Star Wars franchise. I don't see what the fucking hype is all about. A bunch of ugly aliens and weird looking robots... and people actually forming a religion called "The Force"? Nuts.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going into hiding

I see what you are saying. I don't understand the hysteria around SW. That said, I enjoyed the origanal movies--great popcorn flicks--nothing more, nothing less.

[GeraldFord]

I somewhat agree with you about Revenge of the Sith being a step up in this trilogy, but still only matching the lowest point in the "classic" trilogy, being Jedi. Somewhat because I actually like Attack of the Clones best out of the new trilogy. Empire is best of the series.

V-ESB- total classic, a great, great movie.
IV-ANH- Almost as good
IV- Ewoks don't do it for me, still, a great film.
III- Bad, bad acting aside (Portman is like a wooden china doll) I liked this film a lot. Lived up to the SW name.
II- An enjoyable film, not great.
I- A wreck.

Unless you are a SW buff, can anyone offhand even explain the plots of I and II?

[von]

Very similar and III and II are a near toss up for me, but:

V
IV
VI
II
III
I

Sad that Portman can't act her way through a Star Wars movie, she's so pretty and talented everywhere else. Blame the dialogue perhaps? Even Hayden Christiansen's (sp) not that bad an actor overall, but just horribly miscast as Anakin.

[GeraldFord]

Very similar and III and II are a near toss up for me, but:

V
IV
VI
II
III
I

Sad that Portman can't act her way through a Star Wars movie, she's so pretty and talented everywhere else. Blame the dialogue perhaps? Even Hayden Christiansen's (sp) not that bad an actor overall, but just horribly miscast as Anakin.

Oh yeah. For Anakin they needed someone badass. Like a Brando or James Dean, not some pretty boy. And the dialogue was fucking awful, just awful.

[von]

Jonathan Rhys Meyers would have been a pretty badass Anakin (even though I think Vader might work best as a black guy, but that gets complicated).

[stolat]

Um, who's that guy! 

[von]

Um, who's that guy! 

Jonathan Rhys Meyers. He's Irish. I've liked him as an actor for a while, but it looks like he might be catching on now in The Tudors on Showtime (I don't get Showtime, but I'm looking forward to the eventual DVD). He was in Velvet Goldmine and B. Monkey. He did the Elvis TV movie a couple years ago and won the Golden Globe. Great actor. Very dark and brooding. Would have worked well as Anakin.

[stolat]

Oh, yeh! Now I recognise him from Velvet Goldmine! and I can see the Elvis in him! Good actor, love dark and brooding!

[mrlee]

hated Ep III, it sucked so much ass.

i enjoyed I and especially II for its huge battle scenes

[Drew]

All of the first three new episodes were pretty bad.

[Gnrfan]

 Ep I Was aweful but i honestly think that the other 2 were in line with the other Star Wars.

The Empire Strikes Back was the pinnicle for me and return of the Jedi was a great ending.

I think of the Star wars films as one story. I tried not to get bogged down in which one is better than others. Coz all of them tell the greatest story ever in film IMO.

I could quite happily watch all 6 films and not get bored by any of them. Although if Jar Jar Binks was cut out of all of them it wouldn't be the worst thing ever

[MadmanDan]

Episode I was awful, II was slightly better, and III was up there with the original series in terms of quality.

[The Dog]

Episode I was awful, II was slightly better, and III was up there with the original series in terms of quality.

3 was arguably the worst of the 6.  completely boring, terrible dialog, nice eye candy in the action scenes, but most of them seem throw in just for the sake of having an action scene.

wraith shields?
buzz droids?
robots with nerdy/nasally voices?
Dart Vader doing his best Frankenstein at the end and then the worst scene in any star wars movie when he screams "NOOOOOOOO"

I could go on and on.

Yes, Phantom Menace sucks ass, but you can watch it for its unintentional comedic value.  i am able to watch it b/c its just so stupid/laughable 75% of the movie.  but the opening scene and the battle with darth maul are the best scenes in all 3 prequels.

the 2nd one is just god awful.

the effects are good in all 3, but without a story or a reason for good effects they fall flat after you watch them again a few times.  i expect the same thing to happen with transformers.

[freedom78]

Dart Vader doing his best Frankenstein at the end and then the worst scene in any star wars movie when he screams "NOOOOOOOO"

I agree...I found that to be so incredibly ridiculous.  It totally killed the end of that movie.

The first films succeeded for a simple reason.  They had a cast of largely unknown actors (Alec Guinness the obvious exception), so you could really focus on the story.  After all, I can't imagine that many were lining up to do Star Wars Ep. IV.  But I bet EVERYONE wanted in on I, II, and III.  SOO, instead of casting it like they should have, they took people we're fairly familiar with and used them. 

Natalie Portman was terrible.  Hayden Christiansen has one of those voices that make him sound ridiculously insincere.  His "emotional" scenes were painful. 

I don't know that the plots were all that bad.  A little convoluted, perhaps, but not too bad.  They should have focused a bit more on the rise of the Emperor, rather than the other subplots.  The attempt at foreshadowing at the end of Episode I was laughable, as if no one knew that Palpatine was the future emperor.  "But did we kill Master, or Apprentice?"  Camera pans to Palpatine. 

Also, in Episode I, Anakin was played by a kid with the worst acting skills.  Now, he's a kid, so I don't blame him, but it wasn't good.  And the random pieces of information they threw into the dialog made it sound like an infomercial.  "What are midichloriens?" (Yeah, butched that spelling I'm sure)  Well, I'm glad you asked Anakin, as this gives me a good excuse to explain it to the audience!

There were high points.  I thought Liam Neeson was good, in Episode I.  And Ewan McGregor is good, all around.  Samuel L. Jackson is fine, I guess, but this is a case of what I mean by casting known commodities.  You just keep expecting him to go ape-shit on someone: "These muthafuckin' Sith are really starting to crawl up my ass! (Pulls out a .45 and goes on rampage). 

 

[MadmanDan]

Episode I was awful, II was slightly better, and III was up there with the original series in terms of quality.

3 was arguably the worst of the 6.? completely boring, terrible dialog, nice eye candy in the action scenes, but most of them seem throw in just for the sake of having an action scene.

wraith shields?
buzz droids?
robots with nerdy/nasally voices?
Dart Vader doing his best Frankenstein at the end and then the worst scene in any star wars movie when he screams "NOOOOOOOO"

I could go on and on.

Yes, Phantom Menace sucks ass, but you can watch it for its unintentional comedic value.? i am able to watch it b/c its just so stupid/laughable 75% of the movie.? but the opening scene and the battle with darth maul are the best scenes in all 3 prequels.

the 2nd one is just god awful.

the effects are good in all 3, but without a story or a reason for good effects they fall flat after you watch them again a few times.? i expect the same thing to happen with transformers.

  The first episode is a joke of a movie...if you think it's better than Episode 3 because it's stupid, therefore funny, it kinda fucks up your entire argument..

  The second is a clear improvment, but it's still far from what Star Wars really means...

  The best thing about Ep. 3, that the other 2 don't have, is a real "villan", and noone can fill that role in a SW movie, except The Emperor and Vader, which they did, succesfully.

  P.S.  True, that  "NOOOOO !" is the gayest SW scene ever...

[Izzy]

I'm gonna get killed for saying that I hate the entire Star Wars franchise. I don't see what the fucking hype is all about. A bunch of ugly aliens and weird looking robots... and people actually forming a religion called "The Force"? Nuts.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going into hiding.

I call a fatwa on the infidel!

I love Star Wars ANH and ESB but ROTJ is hopelessly dated and more than a little twee - despertely needs a CGI upgrade

...and explain to me..one more time...how 2 Calamari cruisers, a medical frigate, a corvette and several transports decimate a Super Star Destroyer and atleast 25 Star Destroyers?

I've always said i could die a happy man if someone could explain to me that in a satisfactory way

...and dont say ''other ships were just out of view'' - cos they weren't, we see on multiple occaisions the entire ''fleet''

[freedom78]

I'm gonna get killed for saying that I hate the entire Star Wars franchise. I don't see what the fucking hype is all about. A bunch of ugly aliens and weird looking robots... and people actually forming a religion called "The Force"? Nuts.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going into hiding.

I call a fatwa on the infidel!

Durka durka?

I love Star Wars ANH and ESB but ROTJ is hopelessly dated and more than a little twee - despertely needs a CGI upgrade

It does seem dated.  By far the corniest of the first three, with the Ewoks.

...and explain to me..one more time...how 2 Calamari cruisers, a medical frigate, a corvette and several transports decimate a Super Star Destroyer and atleast 25 Star Destroyers?

I've always said i could die a happy man if someone could explain to me that in a satisfactory way

...and dont say ''other ships were just out of view'' - cos they weren't, we see on multiple occaisions the entire ''fleet''

Simple.  The Empire was going through a midlife crisis, so they were easily distracted by the Corvette.  Because of this distraction they didn't realize that the Calamari had spoiled and they became ill, and the medical frigate denied them treatment because they were out of network and it was deemed a pre-existing condition.  The transports were carrying Michael Moore, who filmed the entire thing for a documentary about health care problems in the Empire, and the combined gravitational pull of the death star and Michael Moore caused the Super Star Destroyer to crash into the death star.