Are VR Sellouts?

[D]

Eazy u are missing my point



November Rain is DRASTICALLY different than Appetite.

Me and My Friends is Drastically different than BTW


but Messages isnt that much different. On my burnt copy and sounds absolutely perfect following any song on the album.



My bitch with Messages is, Dont give the god damn thing away for nothing.

That song sells albums, that song creates new fans, that song sells concert tickets. That song should be the showcase song an album not some B side extra.

Duff said in an interview where they are comfortable having success but not too much success.

maybe they felt Messages would catapult them too high?

[Ali]

Eazy u are missing my point



November Rain is DRASTICALLY different than Appetite.

Me and My Friends is Drastically different than BTW


but Messages isnt that much different. On my burnt copy and sounds absolutely perfect following any song on the album.



My bitch with Messages is, Dont give the god damn thing away for nothing.

That song sells albums, that song creates new fans, that song sells concert tickets. That song should be the showcase song an album not some B side extra.

Duff said in an interview where they are comfortable having success but not too much success.

maybe they felt Messages would catapult them too high?

Duff said he's comfortable with the success they currently have, he didn't say they would be opposed to getting bigger.  I think "Messages" is a great song, but it doesn't have as catchy a chorus as "Last Fight".  So I can understand why the record company wanted that song on there instead of "Messages".  "Gravedancer" has a bit more of hook-y chorus, so maybe that was why they put that on there instead of "Messages".  I'd be willing to be it has as much to do with the label as it does with the band, if not more.

Ali

[Jackamo!]

Messages is a tad bit overrated with the VR fan base me thinks.

[Ali]

Messages is a tad bit overrated with the VR fan base me thinks.

I have to say that I honestly feel it is Slash's most beautiful and moving playing since the Illusion records.

Ali

[killingvector]

Messages is a tad bit overrated with the VR fan base me thinks.

I have to say that I honestly feel it is Slash's most beautiful and moving playing since the Illusion records.

Ali

Being a new father myself, the line:

tell my son i wish i never yelled at him yesterday,
cause everythings changed

brings a tear to my eye.

Scott hit a bullseye this time and this is the best VR song since YGNR.

American Man is seriously a grower as well. Slash does some great stuff here too.

[Falcon]

Messages is a tad bit overrated with the VR fan base me thinks.

I have to say that I honestly feel it is Slash's most beautiful and moving playing since the Illusion records.

Ali

Ya know, that's the exact reason I'm not a fan of the song musically.

Way too UYI for my taste.

[Booker Floyd]

I have to say that I honestly feel it is Slash's most beautiful and moving playing since the Illusion records.

Id personally use that description for Elans "Street Child" and "You Got No Right" before "Messages."

[Juanjay]

In the words of MJK

All you know about me is what I've sold you, dumb fuck. I sold out long before you ever heard my name. I sold my soul to make a record, dip shit and you bought one.


The minute you start getting paid to make music you're a "sell out" it's their job so fucking what if they "sold out". Would you bash a stock trader on Wall Street for trying to get as much out of his/her chosen profession? Probably not.

And the people that are mad because its not GNR-like... news flash they're not GNR.

[Eazy E]

but Messages isnt that much different. On my burnt copy and sounds absolutely perfect following any song on the album.

My bitch with Messages is, Dont give the god damn thing away for nothing.

That song sells albums, that song creates new fans, that song sells concert tickets. That song should be the showcase song an album not some B side extra.

I think the style/mood is different from the rest of Libertad, which is more upbeat and positive.? However, I've tacked Messages and Gas & A Dollar Laugh on to the end of the CD and have no problem listening straight through (but it could be because I consider them "bonus tracks")... I just don't see how you could sandwich a song like Messages between Mary Mary and Just 16...

I agree about giving it away for nothing though, it sucks that this song won't be the highlight of an album.

[slashvr86]

that writer was a cynical douchebag i love STP

[AXL 20]

Only thing VR are selling is albums.
RE: messages- it's to typical. Its like a poor man's estranged and nobody in that band wants to make a guns n' roses song. Its alright but not stellar

[Butch Français]

I honestly don't think Messages are better than any of the other slower songs on the album. the cover song is even brilliant IMO and I never skip it, more almost look forward to it!
Slash is great on Messages, but he's more brilliant on the cover song and American Man IMO, Messages is a bit repetative lead guitar wise, isn't it? I actually for once feel Slash could have done more with a song!

[Jim Bob]

I honestly don't think Messages are better than any of the other slower songs on the album. the cover song is even brilliant IMO and I never skip it, more almost look forward to it!
Slash is great on Messages, but he's more brilliant on the cover song and American Man IMO, Messages is a bit repetative lead guitar wise, isn't it? I actually for once feel Slash could have done more with a song!

nah, the weak part of messages is scott in the second verse and parts of the chrous.   

None of these VR songs hit their possible potential.

[Falcon]

Messages is a bit repetative lead guitar wise, isn't it?

Very much so, it's definately not my cup of tea musically. 

The only thing that gets me through this song is Weiland.

[GeraldFord]

Messages is a tad bit overrated with the VR fan base me thinks.

I have to say that I honestly feel it is Slash's most beautiful and moving playing since the Illusion records.

Ali

Ya know, that's the exact reason I'm not a fan of the song musically.

Way too UYI for my taste.

Kind of curious, what about it makes it sound UYI-ish to you? Because I really didn't get that.

[novrain91]

W

Messages is a tad bit overrated with the VR fan base me thinks.

I have to say that I honestly feel it is Slash's most beautiful and moving playing since the Illusion records.

Ali

I agree, Slash sounds very good on Messages.  I'm not sure if I respond to it because it's really great or that it's just great compared to the other songs on Libertad.  Anyways, Slash's guitar playing in this song is the sound that made him famous, his emotional guitar riffs...which would sell a lot more albums than a bland/lame song like SBQM!!

[Falcon]

Messages is a tad bit overrated with the VR fan base me thinks.

I have to say that I honestly feel it is Slash's most beautiful and moving playing since the Illusion records.

Ali

Ya know, that's the exact reason I'm not a fan of the song musically.

Way too UYI for my taste.

Kind of curious, what about it makes it sound UYI-ish to you? Because I really didn't get that.

The tone,? predictability,  repetativeness.

[Gonzo Axl]

I never noticed that during his STP tenure.? I have him from the early to mid-nineties locked in my mind's eye.? Regardless, it's still stealing Axl's look

Its likely inspired by Axl, though it might be part Rob Halford as well.

Oh yeah, according to the image URL, that picture is from 2003.

No, the story from which the picture was used was posted in 2003.? And if Im not mistaken, VR only played 2 or 3 shows in 2003 - one at El Rey, in which he wore a button-down shirt and no hat, and one at the Smashbox, in which he wore a suit.

Prove it!

Almost looks like the banner behind him says "Pilots."?

That photo was taken at some Gay Pride march. It actually says FAGGOTS in the backround. Jarmo can verify this, he was their. Anyways, no, they didnt sell out. Why is it that whenever a band makes their best album, people accuse them of "Selling Out"

[estrangedpaul]

Messages is a tad bit overrated with the VR fan base me thinks.

I have to say that I honestly feel it is Slash's most beautiful and moving playing since the Illusion records.

Ali

Ya know, that's the exact reason I'm not a fan of the song musically.

Way too UYI for my taste.

Kind of curious, what about it makes it sound UYI-ish to you? Because I really didn't get that.

The tone,? predictability,? repetativeness.

UYI repetitive and predictable? No way! I thought that was one thing you couldn't say about them albums. There are so many different types of songs and so many different parts in the songs.

As for Messages, I see what you mean, but I think it works. Its a simple musical idea for a simple song. It's just a riff. Lots of songs are based around 1 guitar riff. The only part he coulda changed was after the "angels and the demons fight while the others cry" it sounds like the start of a big solo but its sorta the same idea again. Still, its a small complaint.

[PhillyRiot]

Forgive me, but how to I go about hearing this song "Messages"?