Are VR Sellouts?

[D]

I am seriously pissed the more I listen to this album.


SBQM was the first single cause it was the most "Slither" Sounding song which pisses me off.

Then Get out The Door has a Slash Solo ONLY because the label wanted it.


Now one of the best fuckin songs I have heard in a decade "Messages" was left off the album and I can already tell u fuckin why.


I can see all these suits sittin around saying:


SBQM will be the first single, it is a lot like "Slither" so people will recognize the band's signature style on the radio immediately.

When it comes to ballads, We got to throw a cover on there, cause cover songs are instantly liked and recognized songs.

They got this song "Messages" fuck its great but it's between Messages and Gravedancer and God damn if Grave Dancer doesn't sound a lot like "Fall to Pieces" which was a big hit on the last record.

Yeah let's recommend the band go with Gravedancer and the cover song.

If the record sales are slow, we can always repackage the album with Messages and something else and resale it


Genius!



I love VR but am pissed off at the same fuckin time.

U put a shitty fuckin cover over a brilliant original


That would've been like GNR putting Knockin On Heaven's Door on UYI2 and leavin off "Estranged"

[Oddy]

hate the term sell outs with a passion.

are vr sellouts?

hell no.

did the label make some bad decisions for them?

hell yes.

[Smoking Guns]

D, they are not sellouts.  They are putting out a good album and touring behind it and making the other available even if not on the album.  I really think the guys tried hard on this album and that is all I can ask. 

As far as leaving their greatest song ever off the album?  I too am speachless.

[D]

Sellouts is a strong word, but my scenario is the only one i can think of.


U only use cover songs if u dont have great enough original material to fill an entire album.

They proved with Gas and a Dollar Laugh and Messages that they had more than enough material.

And who gives a shit if an album flows properlY? What the hell does that mean anyway? what u hav e to have some sort of ratio?

thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[chineseblues]

Not really sellouts, more like a corporate rock band. They do what they are told to do by the label and that's how things go. Even though in 2004 they were claiming that they had so much musical freedom from the label but now we know the difference. They are told how things should be and thats it....

[Booker Floyd]

SBQM was the first single cause it was the most "Slither" Sounding song which pisses me off.

"She Builds Quick Machines" was the first single because it got the best reaction in the record companys tests.  Slash favored it as well.

Then Get out The Door has a Slash Solo ONLY because the label wanted it.

No.  Clive Davis, an individual for whom the band has great respect, suggested it.  Do you the honestly think the band did it against their will? 

Now one of the best fuckin songs I have heard in a decade "Messages" was left off the album and I can already tell u fuckin why.

No you cant.  You cant even accurately explain the two previous situations and theyve actually been discussed by members of the band.  You have no idea why "Messages" was disincluded from the retail album.

When it comes to ballads, We got to throw a cover on there, cause cover songs are instantly liked and recognized songs.

Wrong again.  It was Brendan O'Briens suggestion.  Unless you consider him a suit?

Its nice that you like the song so much (though you have an odd way of expressing it), but if youre going to make these kinds of charges, you should try sticking to the facts rather than your imagination. 

[D]

Everyone seems to hate the Cover song

Read the reviews and the cover song is the only song that gets shitted on.


Maybe O Brien didnt want Messages on there cause maybe he didnt produce that one? Its possible........... Maybe they already had it finished but he only wanted songs on  the album he produced?

How else can u explain leaving off a song that in my opinion is the best VR song ever?

If they release that its a number 1 single easily.


Everytime I hear that song I get mad.

[Gunner80]

Big record companies stink is all anyone can really say.

[Loaded NightraiN]

It always seemed like Axl was the one with the balls in GNR, and everyone else just stepped aside... Looks like the guys in VR are still doing it, and so is axl...

[D]

It always seemed like Axl was the one with the balls in GNR, and everyone else just stepped aside... Looks like the guys in VR are still doing it, and so is axl...

Yeah lets dont get too carried away.

I'll take a VR album without Messages over having to wait 10 years.


I just am real passionate about this band and when they fuck up it pisses me off cause everyone shoudve been able to hear "You Got No Right" on the radio and experience what a fantastic song it was

THEN

Everyone should be able to hear Messages.

That song basically puts VR up even another level in my opinion.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

As I've said in the past, VR appear to care more about selling as many records and making as much money as possible than they do about artistic integrity.  A lot of evidence, from the way the band was formed, to the music, to some of the behind the scenes decisions, points to that

There's no decent reason I can think from an artistic perspective of that the ELO cover is on the album and Messages is not.  No excuse at all.  But it's also odd because Messages would likely be a bigger hit than any of the songs on the album.  Maybe the record execs were afraid that the subject matter was too touchy, scared it would be seen as exploiting a recent national tragedy to sell records, so they canned it.  Still a bad move

[Loaded NightraiN]

It always seemed like Axl was the one with the balls in GNR, and everyone else just stepped aside... Looks like the guys in VR are still doing it, and so is axl...

Yeah lets dont get too carried away.

I'll take a VR album without Messages over having to wait 10 years.

I'm just sayin tho... The creative stuff back in the day, sigining the band name over to axl... Kinda seems the same with VR taking the back seats to suits(honestly i'm not to familair with this whole thing), nowadays...

But like you said we have another VR album, and still no CD... Cause Axl wants it his way...

[estebanf]

Everyone seems to hate the Cover song

Weird, because it has the only Slash guitar solo that is going to be remembered from this album. The original song sucks, the VR version sucks even more, but what Slash does in the track is fabulous, simply killer.

[Jizzo]

Nope

[whpprsnpprr]

Yes VR are a band concerned with selling records.
Yes they are trying to be successful.
Is this really a newsflash for anyone?

[Falcon]

How else can u explain leaving off a song that in my opinion is the best VR song ever?

You hit it right there D, it was of their opinion it didn't have a spot of record. ?It' all subjective.

Big picture wise, VR/label/management have done little wrong since day 1. ?Aside of a sketchy decision to go with DLT over STB for a third single from CB, that's about it.

Let the thing play out before you label them "sell out", just not sure if that term applies.

[D]

I didn't really mean "Sell out" as in the way most people use it.

Just maybe they aren't as in control as they should be.


I may over react a bit but Damn I just can't understand this.


I slapped Messages on my Libertad and it has helped me get into the rest of the album and to me its way better than all the other slow songs.

[GNRreunioneventually]

i don't think there sellouts i don't think they're much of anything, i mean they're not good, they're not bad, they're not sellouts.

But scott is a poser in my opinion but thats just me







ps Slash Rules

[Booker Floyd]

But scott is a poser in my opinion but thats just me

What is he posing as, out of curiosity?

[D]

Scott is definitely not a poser.


I think the vocals on Libertad are some of the best he has ever done.