Why did Dizzy not leave ?

[Irish gunner II]

I'm just listening to GNR at rock in rio II and Dizzy is mentioned as the new keyboard player on estranged. And I'm just wondering as all the other members whether it was Duff,Slash,Gilby, and Matt were either fired or left of their own accord. And then I realised that Dizzy is still there after 17 yrs officially in the band.


I'm just wondering as to why he decided to stay. Was it a case of loyality to Axl or did he not have as much trouble with Axl ? I mean Dizzy is an amazing musician in his own right, and it wouldn't have been hard for the guy to have got another gig with another band had he so wished. I mean i'm glad he stayed as GN'R is better for it but was just wondering.

Well what do the great GN'R public think ?

[Communist China]

As far as I know there isn't much known about why he stayed. Job security, belief in Axl's talents, whatever you want to believe. I know there was one interview where he was asked about ti but I don't remember him saying anything too concrete.

[Tatu]

Because he is intelligent.

[Communist China]

Because he is intelligent.

Are you calling Slash, Duff, Gilby and Matt stupid? Because we try not to insult GN'R members on this here GN'R fansite.

[Irish gunner II]

As far as I know there isn't much known about why he stayed. Job security, belief in Axl's talents, whatever you want to believe. I know there was one interview where he was asked about ti but I don't remember him saying anything too concrete.

Ya it seems that way. I mean he has been a friend of the band since before the band become big, so maybe the fact he had been friends with Axl for nearly 22 yrs in some form had something to do with it.

And I don't think belief in Axl's talent would be a reason, it wasn't because of a doubt over Axl's talent that the others left. so why would it be an issue for Dizzy who stayed.

[Communist China]

As far as I know there isn't much known about why he stayed. Job security, belief in Axl's talents, whatever you want to believe. I know there was one interview where he was asked about ti but I don't remember him saying anything too concrete.

Ya it seems that way. I mean he has been a friend of the band since before the band become big, so maybe the fact he had been friends with Axl for nearly 22 yrs in some form had something to do with it.

And I don't think belief in Axl's talent would be a reason, it wasn't because of a doubt over Axl's talent that the others left. so why would it be an issue for Dizzy who stayed.

Well, the others had doubts about Axl's ability to put out an album they could be proud of. Slash wasn't into the direction Axl wanted to go in, and the band was frustrated over the time Axl took with UYI, they probably wanted to get something out there in the 95-96 timeframe, and thought Axl couldn't do that. Matt and Gilby just got fired, so their leaving reasons are irrelevant. I think Axl wanted Duff to stay, I think Duff left because Slash, Izzy, and Matt were gone.

I sort of rambled there, sorry.

[Irish gunner II]

As far as I know there isn't much known about why he stayed. Job security, belief in Axl's talents, whatever you want to believe. I know there was one interview where he was asked about ti but I don't remember him saying anything too concrete.

Ya it seems that way. I mean he has been a friend of the band since before the band become big, so maybe the fact he had been friends with Axl for nearly 22 yrs in some form had something to do with it.

And I don't think belief in Axl's talent would be a reason, it wasn't because of a doubt over Axl's talent that the others left. so why would it be an issue for Dizzy who stayed.

Well, the others had doubts about Axl's ability to put out an album they could be proud of. Slash wasn't into the direction Axl wanted to go in, and the band was frustrated over the time Axl took with UYI, they probably wanted to get something out there in the 95-96 timeframe, and thought Axl couldn't do that. Matt and Gilby just got fired, so their leaving reasons are irrelevant. I think Axl wanted Duff to stay, I think Duff left because Slash, Izzy, and Matt were gone.

I sort of rambled there, sorry.

Well ya maybe his ability to put out an Album but as to Axl's talents as a musician I doubt it very much. Sorry maybe we weren't on the same page. Agree with you on the Duff point I wish he  had stayed but I read him saying that he felt the band was a dictatorship at the time he left. And they offered him a shedload of money which he said was never his reason for doing this so why start now. And as you said the others had left by that time.

[Tatu]

Because he is intelligent.

Are you calling Slash, Duff, Gilby and Matt stupid? Because we try not to insult GN'R members on this here GN'R fansite.

Matt and Gilby were fired, so not to them. Then you can ask yourself, however, I can tell you that the worst thing that Duff or Slash did was to go away from GN'R, in my opinion.

[Irish gunner II]

Because he is intelligent.

Are you calling Slash, Duff, Gilby and Matt stupid? Because we try not to insult GN'R members on this here GN'R fansite.

Matt and Gilby were fired, so not to them. Then you can ask yourself, however, I can tell you that the worst thing that Duff or Slash did was to go away from GN'R, in my opinion.

As you say in your opinion it was the worst thing they did. But maybe  they felt different about it and just had enough of Axl and the whole thing. We weren't there so.

[ibelieveinaxl]

axl brought dizzy into the band. dizzy needed a job badly back in the day. he was literally starving. axl put him in. he has stayed "loyal" all these years......

[stolat]

Isn't Dizzy in Hookers and Blow?

[Tatu]

Isn't Dizzy in Hookers and Blow?

He left this year!

[Wheres Izzy]

There's a bunch of "Maybe" Reasons. First  I doubt he was as worried about the direction of the band going where I think everyone else assumed it was since if anything keyboards would play a even more prominant role. It also could have been because him and Axl got along well and he never had any reason to leave. Or maybe he wasn't as financially secure as the other members and stayed cause he knew there would be an eventual huge pay day.

[Jim Bob]

Because he is intelligent.

Are you calling Slash, Duff, Gilby and Matt stupid? Because we try not to insult GN'R members on this here GN'R fansite.

he never said that, thats putting words in someones mouth(post).  but none of those guys are GnR members.  thats a fact.

[Communist China]

Because he is intelligent.

Are you calling Slash, Duff, Gilby and Matt stupid? Because we try not to insult GN'R members on this here GN'R fansite.

he never said that, thats putting words in someones mouth(post).? but none of those guys are GnR members.? thats a fact.

Saying that someone stayed because of "intelligence" strongly implies that someone who doesn't stay must be "unintelligent". If you can't see that, it's because you're trying not to.

[Jim Bob]

Because he is intelligent.

Are you calling Slash, Duff, Gilby and Matt stupid? Because we try not to insult GN'R members on this here GN'R fansite.

he never said that, thats putting words in someones mouth(post).  but none of those guys are GnR members.  thats a fact.

Saying that someone stayed because of "intelligence" strongly implies that someone who doesn't stay must be "unintelligent". If you can't see that, it's because you're trying not to.

no it doesn't imply that.   many intelligent people make many many mistakes and that doesn't mean they are unintelligent.   Dizzy was smart to stay in the band, Guns was his biggest break ever.   The guys who left had their reasons and those reasons doesn't necessarily make them unintelligent. 

[Communist China]

Because he is intelligent.

Are you calling Slash, Duff, Gilby and Matt stupid? Because we try not to insult GN'R members on this here GN'R fansite.

he never said that, thats putting words in someones mouth(post).? but none of those guys are GnR members.? thats a fact.

Saying that someone stayed because of "intelligence" strongly implies that someone who doesn't stay must be "unintelligent". If you can't see that, it's because you're trying not to.

no it doesn't imply that.? ?many intelligent people make many many mistakes and that doesn't mean they are unintelligent.? ?Dizzy was smart to stay in the band, Guns was his biggest break ever.? ?The guys who left had their reasons and those reasons doesn't necessarily make them unintelligent.?

He didn't say 'Because he didn't make a mistake'. He said 'Because he's intelligent.' You know what he was trying to say, as do I, even if you don't like to admit it.

[monkeychow]

It was smart for dizzy to stay..however that wouldn't make it dumb for slash and co to leave.

Its a different situation:

1. The music - At the time Axl wanted to take the band in directions that didn't involve the sleazy hard rock riffs  that slash is a master of. He was looking at taking things to a more industrial place. In terms of their role within the band...had that  occured it would have diminished slash's role and maintained or increased Dizzys. So he probably wasn't having musical disagreements with axl or feeling marganalised or anything like some other members might have been.

2. Prospect of success on their own. Dizzy is a remarkable musician and a great keys player. I loved him playing Angie recently on tour etc. However, while he is talented enough to join another mainstream act as the keys player, realistically how many vacancies are there for this kind of role out there? Would he find an act bigger than GNR to join? Its much easier for Slash and co to go out there and make a new band...as most music these days is guitar driven. Also to this end - theres the fame angle - back in the day GNR was kinda the slash and axl show - so an album like "Slash's Snakepit" would gain more attention than an album like "Dizzy's Darkside" (or whatever). 

Anyway..don't interpret this post as me bashing Dizzy, I think he's great and i'm a big fan of his. I'm just saying from the facts we know, there was little reason for him to leave GNR.

[estrangedpaul]

He's probably a fan of Limp Bizkit and Nine Inch Nails, the same bands Axl was inspired by at the time. The other guys weren't. Slash and Duff would understandably have no interest in playing on the likes of Silkworms or Oh My God, which is the direction Axl was pursuing at that time. Which is why they left. Dizzy clearly liked that direction.

Also, I remember readin where the other members of the band weren't too sure about Dizzy joining - Slash once said nobody apart from Axl spoke to Dizzy in the first two weeks of him being in the band. So it would be weird if Dizzy joined the other guys in walking out at a later date.

Amazing he has lasted this long - I'd love to read an autobiography of his time in the band - there can't be many who understand all that has gone on in the last seventeen years as much as him.

[sweet616]

maybe he forgot to leave lol