Terror Plot in New York broken up by Feds

[polluxlm]

Dude,

WE KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY HATE US AND WHY THEY WANT KILL US !

you think sitting down and talking it over is going to work with these extremists ?

Continuing the actions that created the hate suggests otherwise.

And I'm not saying we shouldn't fight it, that's a given.

But do so with example, not with childish notions of justice.

[polluxlm]

The US is much larger than just New York - why us? Go pick on another city for a while.?

You should send a complaint to Cheney. Maybe next time he'll choose your city.

[Axlfreek]

Dude,

WE KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY HATE US AND WHY THEY WANT KILL US !

you think sitting down and talking it over is going to work with these extremists ?

Continuing the actions that created the hate suggests otherwise.

To what actions are you referring to ?

[Axlfreek]

So...will there be a trial or the usual trip to the torture camp?

These terrorists were attempting to kill a lot of people.


What do you care if they get tortured or not ?

Vengeance solves nothing. It's super ego more than anything.

You talk as if you actually know what goes on behind the curtains of the war on terror. Have you ever stopped to think how many terror plots might have been stopped using this method for information ?

I'm not saying that I am for or against torture as a way to get information. But in this case, if it means saving hundreds to thousands of lives, well, FUCK REPUTATION

What I'm saying is non-dependent on situation and reason. If we want to change something, and set examples, we need to stop acting out on violence and hatred. It's something all the politicians love to proclaim, but in reality it's a hollow display.

Let me ask you this; what if instead of trying to hunt down everybody that hates us, with all needs necessary, we tried to search for the reason for all this hatred?

Maybe, then, it would go away.

Dude,

WE KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY HATE US AND WHY THEY WANT KILL US !

you think sitting down and talking it over is going to work with these extremists ?

why ? tell me why.




ps: if you're a troll and you're just acting dumb and ignorant, please tell me, it'll save us time.
cause you're too clich? too be taken seriously. thanks.

The Entire Earth Must Be Subjected to Islam "How can [he] possibly [accept humiliation and inferiority] when he knows that his nation was created to stand at the center of leadership, at the center of hegemony and rule, at the center of ability and sacrifice? How can [he] possibly [accept humiliation and inferiority] when he knows that the [divine] rule is that the entire earth must be subject to the religion of Allah - not to the East, not to the West - to no ideology and to no path except for the path of Allah"

"As long as this Muslim knows and believes in these facts, he will not - even for a single moment - stop striving to achieve it, even if it costs him his soul; his time, his property, and his son, as it is said, 'Say [to the believers]: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your wives and your kinsfolk and the worth you have acquired and the trade, the dullness of which you apprehend, and the dwellings that you fancy are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving in His cause, then wait until Allah issues His judgment. Allah guides not the disobedient people" [2]

The on which we base ourselves as an organization, and on which we base our operations and our method of action, are practical and realistic. They are also scientific and [in accordance with] Islamic religious law, and they give us confidence and certainty In writing them and in [publicly] revealing them, I do not intend to be apologetic for what was done; I lay [these arguments] before you so as to emphasize that we are continuing with our blows against the Americans and the Jews, and with attacking them, both people and installations [so as to stress] that what awaits the Americans will not, Allah willing, be less than what has already happened to them. America must prepare itself; it must go on maximum alert;  because, Allah willing, the blow will come from where they least expect it"

America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads an infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people via legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited. This compels the other countries to act in accordance with the same laws in the same way and punishes any country by besieging it, and then by boycotting it. By so doing, [America] seeks to impose on the world a religion that is not Allah's"

"America, with the collaboration of the Jews, is the leader of corruption and the breakdown, whether moral, ideological, political, or economic corruption. It disseminates abomination and licentiousness among the people via the cheap media and the vile curricula."





This was posted by Al Quada spokeman Suluiman Abu Gheith in June to the web site for the Center for Islamic Research and Studies.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

you are so naive.

there is so much to tell you, i dont even know where to begin ...

rationality of actors in conflict? propaganda? relativism of religious messages? the political reality behind any irrational dialogs?
the fact that *your side* use the same methods/messages although you dont see it as you're submerged by it?
action-reaction? american hegemony? the rich countries claws on the poors? palestine/israel conflict?
the incoherence of our actions (what we condemn, what we do)?

you're the kind of person who thinks terrorism is just pure hate and has no valid/understandable message behind it?
you're the kind of person who thinks almost anything can be escused in order to save *your own people*?
you're the kind of person who thinks these *terrorists* just hate our freedom and democracy?


read that book if you can:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dining-Terrorists-Meetings-Worlds-Militants/dp/140504716X

DINING WITH TERRORISTS

Opinion 1
This book is a fascinating read if you really care about background to the so-called "war on terror". What always interested me was the motivations behind those who resort to extreme acts of violence to progress their ideas. Are they really just blowing themselves and others up because of a hatred of freedom and democracy, or are they driven to such extremes because of circumstances?

Opinion 2
This is a truly awful book. It is part apologia for mass-murderers, gangsters and criminals, part left wing polemic. Rees is (or was) a BBC journalist and this book is a sad indication of how low the BBC has fallen, dragged down by leftist politics and crippling political correctness.

PEACE

[The Dog]

DINING WITH TERRORISTS

Opinion 1
This book is a fascinating read if you really care about background to the so-called "war on terror". What always interested me was the motivations behind those who resort to extreme acts of violence to progress their ideas. Are they really just blowing themselves and others up because of a hatred of freedom and democracy, or are they driven to such extremes because of circumstances?

Wasn't a major reason OBL got pissed off at the US was b/c we "tainted" arab soil by basing our forces in Saudi Arabia during the first gulf war?  Explain to me how that is an "extreme circumstance".

OBL is quite wealthy isn't he?  Whats so extreme about his lifestyle?  The extreme amount of money he has?

[Axlfreek]

you're the kind of person who thinks terrorism is just pure hate and has no valid/understandable message behind it?

I disagree with. I believe that your buddies want to blow us up because we are not Islamic. And of course there is hatred behind there actions.

you're the kind of person who thinks almost anything can be escused in order to save *your own people*?

Not just my own people, but anybody who can be a victim of terrorists. So basically that narrows it down to anybody who is not a Islamic extremist.

you're the kind of person who thinks these *terrorists* just hate our freedom and democracy?

Are you saying they like it ?

[polluxlm]

Dude,

WE KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY HATE US AND WHY THEY WANT KILL US !

you think sitting down and talking it over is going to work with these extremists ?

Continuing the actions that created the hate suggests otherwise.

To what actions are you referring to ?

Attacking them with weapons of war
Sabotaging their economies
Black CIA ops to stir up shit
Polarization through the media
Supporting suppressive regimes

And just about every other trick in the book to piss them off.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

DINING WITH TERRORISTS

Opinion 1
This book is a fascinating read if you really care about background to the so-called "war on terror". What always interested me was the motivations behind those who resort to extreme acts of violence to progress their ideas. Are they really just blowing themselves and others up because of a hatred of freedom and democracy, or are they driven to such extremes because of circumstances?

Wasn't a major reason OBL got pissed off at the US was b/c we "tainted" arab soil by basing our forces in Saudi Arabia during the first gulf war?  Explain to me how that is an "extreme circumstance".

OBL is quite wealthy isn't he?  Whats so extreme about his lifestyle?  The extreme amount of money he has?

i think the book focus on the *simple* terrorists. the ones that actually fight and die. not OBL ... i havent recieved it yet (the book) so i cant tell you more.

like we talked about in another thread, OBL is just one parameter. we cannot crystalize these worldwide issue to " OBL+Islam hate our democracy ".
it sounds simple and appealing, keep our mind to rest and, for people like Axlfreek and GW Bush makes everything so simple and easy .... great political tool > simplifying an issue, defining 1 or 2 clear enemies, you got 80% of your country behind your lies.

worked in the USA couples years ago, worked in France couples weeks ago, workes in Germany couple .....

PEACE

[freedom78]

Did anyone see Countdown, on MSNBC, Monday night?  Keith did a nice little montage of thirteen instances, since 9/11, when "credible threats" or broken up plots have led to an increase in the alert level, and how each occurred at a time that was politically convenient for the Bush administration.  It's easy to pass off any one as coincidence, but thirteen struck me as pretty damning evidence. 

[SLCPUNK]

Keith is the man.

[polluxlm]

Wasn't a major reason OBL got pissed off at the US was b/c we "tainted" arab soil by basing our forces in Saudi Arabia during the first gulf war?? Explain to me how that is an "extreme circumstance".

OBL is quite wealthy isn't he?? Whats so extreme about his lifestyle?? The extreme amount of money he has?

Well, there's alot to OBL people don't know.

The Bush Sr. connection is obvious. So is the fact that he trained with the CIA in the 80s against the Soviets.

Then it gets interesting. When Osama started attacking the US instead in the 90s, Bill Clinton wanted to do something about it. Strangly enough the CIA, military and the rest of the intelligence community were very reluctant to help. It almost seemed they didn't want him to get caught.

Then you have the reports of Osama recieving medical treatment from a CIA agent months before 911.

911 happens (not even gonna start on that one), new terror bills flies through congress, Afghanistan is invaded and then Iraq. All in agreement with what is written in the plans for the 'project for the new american century'. Read it here http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm

[polluxlm]

Did anyone see Countdown, on MSNBC, Monday night?? Keith did a nice little montage of thirteen instances, since 9/11, when "credible threats" or broken up plots have led to an increase in the alert level, and how each occurred at a time that was politically convenient for the Bush administration.? It's easy to pass off any one as coincidence, but thirteen struck me as pretty damning evidence.?

Few coincedences are coincedences in high politics.

[sandman]

Did anyone see Countdown, on MSNBC, Monday night?? Keith did a nice little montage of thirteen instances, since 9/11, when "credible threats" or broken up plots have led to an increase in the alert level, and how each occurred at a time that was politically convenient for the Bush administration.? It's easy to pass off any one as coincidence, but thirteen struck me as pretty damning evidence.?

i'm sure there's some truth to that. but when your approval ratings are below 50% or even below 40%, you could make the argument that ANY day in the last few years would be a politically convenient time.

and this last one was on a saturday. alot of people still don't even know about it.

[freedom78]

Did anyone see Countdown, on MSNBC, Monday night?  Keith did a nice little montage of thirteen instances, since 9/11, when "credible threats" or broken up plots have led to an increase in the alert level, and how each occurred at a time that was politically convenient for the Bush administration.  It's easy to pass off any one as coincidence, but thirteen struck me as pretty damning evidence. 

Few coincedences are coincedences in high politics.

Here are the videos:

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIs_UgeVAqM

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjwWmg5LD_s&mode=related&search=

[The Dog]

as more details of this case are coming to light it seems there wasn't much to ever REALLY worry about.  yes it sucks that there were people out there even thinking about doing this and taking steps towards hurting people, but it seems their idea wasn't really even feasible, that they were kinda, well crazy (literally). 

i think its terrible when instances like this one specifically are used politically.  was this a "win" for the war on terror...i guess so.  but idiots like these aren't the ones who are TRULY going to cause the damage.

case in point...from Newsday:

When U.S. Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf described the alleged terror plot to blow up Kennedy Airport as "one of the most chilling plots imaginable," which might have caused "unthinkable" devastation, one law enforcement official said he cringed.

The plot, he knew, was never operational. The public had never been at risk. And the notion of blowing up the airport, let alone the borough of Queens, by exploding a fuel tank was in all likelihood a technical impossibility.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-ushype0606,0,6561947.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

[SLCPUNK]

Boo!

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

When U.S. Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf described the alleged terror plot to blow up Kennedy Airport as "one of the most chilling plots imaginable," which might have caused "unthinkable" devastation, one law enforcement official said he cringed.

The plot, he knew, was never operational. The public had never been at risk. And the notion of blowing up the airport, let alone the borough of Queens, by exploding a fuel tank was in all likelihood a technical impossibility.

yeah i thought about that, it was a wierd thing to hear from an official mouth, so much emotions, when nothing had been done or seriously plan
great way to keep people in fear, hate and resentment.

they could come up with some crazy lunatic found on the street and pretend he wanted to blow the statue of liberty and replace it with the statue of allah or else, that all was planned on his little sketchbook ....

[The Dog]

I don't blame anyone for initially thinking this could have been REALLY bad.  I was pretty shocked when I first saw it on the news. However for a public official to make such claims, well.....  thats not good.  Terrorists win when they keep the masses in fear, our officials certainly aren't doing much to help that....

[polluxlm]

Terrorists win when they keep the masses in fear, our officials certainly aren't doing much to help that....

No, the government wins when the masses are in fear, which is why these 'terror plots' are getting so much attention.