Tonight's Democratic debate--no buttock content

[freedom78]

Imagine you guys if the Dems voted against giving the President authorization to use force as a final measure after 9-11.  You would have been calling them every name in the book, what a bunch of cowards, traitors they were and so on. The same names you and your ilk called me as I spoke out against the invasion.

Let me ask you this: Did the Dems kick the inspectors out of Iraq or did Bush? Bush did (after lying about it.) So who went to war? Who granted power to use force as a last resort, and who then abused it?

Facts are facts are facts. Just as goose stepping Bush stooges are goose stepping Bush stooges.

You can't admit you are wrong, because it hurts too much to know your guy fucked you right in your ass. Chumped you out. Pandering to you, and then used you like a shake and bake bag. He dropped the ball on Osama-lost site, ran the deficit into the ground, created a terror state in Iraq, and fucked you at the gas pump. That is why you won't give it up.

Your guy took your vote, and chumped you out-totally used you. Every time I pump gas I smile thinking about guys like you, bitching about the price of gas.

I'm assuming most (or all) of this is NOT directed at me, though I'm not certain.   

I agree that Republicans should be the MOST pissed at Bush...he's like the anti-Republican, in so many ways.  Big government, high deficits, interventionist... 

[SLCPUNK]

I'm assuming most (or all) of this is NOT directed at me, though I'm not certain.   

None of it.

I could send you an ecard if you'd like....

I agree that Republicans should be the MOST pissed at Bush...he's like the anti-Republican, in so many ways.  Big government, high deficits, interventionist... 

He's about as much of a republican as I am.

[freedom78]

I'm assuming most (or all) of this is NOT directed at me, though I'm not certain.   

None of it.

I could send you an ecard if you'd like....

   I think I'll pull through.

[Booker Floyd]

I agree that Republicans should be the MOST pissed at Bush...he's like the anti-Republican, in so many ways.  Big government, high deficits, interventionist...

Ive seen you describe the Republican Party this way several times, but the majority of the party supports Bush in rhetoric and legislation.  He represents the party very well.

[Surfrider]

I agree that Republicans should be the MOST pissed at Bush...he's like the anti-Republican, in so many ways.? Big government, high deficits, interventionist...

Ive seen you describe the Republican Party this way several times, but the majority of the party supports Bush in rhetoric and legislation.? He represents the party very well.

I think a lot of it is comparison shopping.? I don't think Bush has too many supporters anymore, even amongst Republicans.? I agree, however, that he is typical of many Republicans, but he is quite far from a conservative.  I think people often confuse the two.

[The Dog]

I agree that Republicans should be the MOST pissed at Bush...he's like the anti-Republican, in so many ways.  Big government, high deficits, interventionist...

Ive seen you describe the Republican Party this way several times, but the majority of the party supports Bush in rhetoric and legislation.  He represents the party very well.

I think a lot of it is comparison shopping.  I don't think Bush has too many supporters anymore, even amongst Republicans.  I agree, however, that he is typical of many Republicans, but he is quite far from a conservative.  I think people often confuse the two.

agreed, your text book definition of a republican, bush is not.  but there aren't many that fit that bill these days.  as Booker pointed out a lot of the 08' candidates are echoing the same shit bush has been saying...

[D]

I really liked Biden a lot.

Didnt know much about the guy goin in but he really impressed me.

[freedom78]

I agree that Republicans should be the MOST pissed at Bush...he's like the anti-Republican, in so many ways.  Big government, high deficits, interventionist...

Ive seen you describe the Republican Party this way several times, but the majority of the party supports Bush in rhetoric and legislation.  He represents the party very well.

I think a lot of it is comparison shopping.  I don't think Bush has too many supporters anymore, even amongst Republicans.  I agree, however, that he is typical of many Republicans, but he is quite far from a conservative.  I think people often confuse the two.

I think the point I've wanted to make, over many posts on many topics, is that the Republican party seems to have shifted away from those core conservative values that are centered around the idea of small government.  The only candidate who's a small government conservative is Ron Paul, and it amazes me that there isn't a legitimate contender for the Republican nomination who represents that once prominent wing of the party. 

But that breed of conservatism seems to be on life support, as the Republicans became rapidly pro-huge military, as a backlash against Clinton's downsizing of it, and that has turned into them being rabidly pro-security, at the cost of anything else.  And, since their belief in small government and low taxes was the Republican Party's way of promoting freedom and individualism, as those things dissipate, and they become both socially conservative AND big government, then the party ceases (or ceased...) to be conservative and begins to be, simply, authoritarian.     

I really liked Biden a lot.

I agree.  He came across as a straight shooter...maybe he'll become the Dems version of McCain 2000?

[The Dog]

I really liked Biden a lot.

Didnt know much about the guy goin in but he really impressed me.

same here, i think amongst the 2nd tier candidates he did his best to stand out.

the best was when Obama put edwards in his place on his iraq vote. 

[freedom78]

the best was when Obama put edwards in his place on his iraq vote. 

Amazingly, I somehow missed that.  Must've had to pee.  Fortunately, it's been all over the news as Obama's biggest moment. 

I was also amused, watching tonight's MSNBC coverage regarding last night's debate.  Three shows, with three completely different takes:

Tucker: Clinton seems disingenuous in not saying her Iraq vote was wrong.
Hardball: Obama was smart to not attack Hillary.
Countdown: Hillary won the debate.  Obama came across as weak, for not attacking Hillary.

I do know that I enjoyed watching Hillary go from shit-eatin' grin  to fake pseudo-smile  to puzzled and angry  as she realized that Edwards was in the middle of slamming her leadership qualities.

[The Dog]

Edwards is the last person to be talking about leadership.  he served what, one term in office, has done very little politically the last 4 years!?!?!?  And people give Obama shit about being "inexperienced"??

he just comes across to me as very whiny.  Obama's comment exposed him for the joke he is.  i'd much rather see Biden or Richardson as the 3rd guy on the 1st tier....

[freedom78]

Edwards is the last person to be talking about leadership.  he served what, one term in office, has done very little politically the last 4 years!?!?!?  And people give Obama shit about being "inexperienced"??

he just comes across to me as very whiny.  Obama's comment exposed him for the joke he is.  i'd much rather see Biden or Richardson as the 3rd guy on the 1st tier....

I've been thinking the same about Edwards.  After all, if this stuff was that important, then why leave the Senate after one term?  That seat is now in Republican hands, and surely Edwards realizes how one more vote against possible Republican filibusters would be important?  I don't know...it bothers me about him.  EDIT: I'm ESPECIALLY concerned that he left the Senate to work for a hedge fund, and I'm not buying his BS "it was research" line.  That's hardly leadership.     

I really liked Richardson, and think he's the most qualified, except perhaps Biden, but he's done so poorly in the debates that I think his chances will fade quickly, and he'll slip into that "no chance in Hell" tier.  I still wouldn't be surprised if he's a running mate or the next Secretary of State, though.

[SLCPUNK]

Edwards is the last person to be talking about leadership.  he served what, one term in office, has done very little politically the last 4 years!?!?!?  And people give Obama shit about being "inexperienced"??

he just comes across to me as very whiny.  Obama's comment exposed him for the joke he is.  i'd much rather see Biden or Richardson as the 3rd guy on the 1st tier....

I actually like pretty boy Edwards for some reason.......

[freedom78]

Edwards is the last person to be talking about leadership.  he served what, one term in office, has done very little politically the last 4 years!?!?!?  And people give Obama shit about being "inexperienced"??

he just comes across to me as very whiny.  Obama's comment exposed him for the joke he is.  i'd much rather see Biden or Richardson as the 3rd guy on the 1st tier....

I actually like pretty boy Edwards for some reason.......

His hair cut represents the American dream. 

[Booker Floyd]

Edwards is the last person to be talking about leadership.  he served what, one term in office, has done very little politically the last 4 years!?!?!?  And people give Obama shit about being "inexperienced"??

So I assume you agree with those that use the "Obama isnt experienced enough" argument?  After all, youre referencing Edwards' one term to question his leadership ability.  To my knowledge, Edwards hasnt made any criticisms about Obamas experience.

As for doing "very little politically" for the last four years, perhaps you can expound.  Id like to know how youll dismiss his work regarding poverty as director of the Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity at UNC, multifarious speeches across the country, work with Jack Kemp for the Council on Foreign Relations, and College for Everyone program.  No, he didnt make much of an impact on legislation; as you might know, hes no longer able to vote in the Senate.  However, he has used his position to reach out to supporters on many issues (volunteering, Supreme Court nominees, Iraq, etc.). 

he just comes across to me as very whiny.  Obama's comment exposed him for the joke he is.  i'd much rather see Biden or Richardson as the 3rd guy on the 1st tier....

That makes sense since you seem to share their penchants for reinforcing Republican narratives. 

You disagree with Edwards (presumably since you havent referenced anything other than his criticism of Obama), but why do you believe that hes a joke?

Obviously, you dislike the fact that Edwards has criticized your preferred candidates.  Thats perfectly fine, but your attempts to discredit him are bogus. 

[Booker Floyd]

I've been thinking the same about Edwards.  After all, if this stuff was that important, then why leave the Senate after one term?

To run for president?  Did you expect him to campaign for both the presidency and his Senate seat?

[D]

Im not a big John Edwards fan. I for one did kind of like his bumper sticker line. I admit that made me laugh out loud. Pretty genius!


I like:
1.Hillary
2. Biden


Obama and Edwards are ok.


Republicans are basically finished for the next 8 years. Maybe in 2016 they can get another shot at the white house but Bush has really destroyed all future republicans chances for awhile.

I use to give Bush the benefit of the doubt on some things but there really is no defending him anymore.

[freedom78]

I've been thinking the same about Edwards.  After all, if this stuff was that important, then why leave the Senate after one term?

To run for president?  Did you expect him to campaign for both the presidency and his Senate seat?

It's been known to happen...often.  To my knowledge, none of the contenders for 2008 have resigned from Congress. 

Joe Biden's Senate seat is up for election, as are the seats of Dennis Kucinich, Duncan Hunter, Ron Paul, and Tom Tancredo, in the House of Representatives.

Should he run, as has been discussed, Chuck Hagel's seat in the Senate will be up for election. 

I'm also fairly certain that John Kerry is still in the Senate, despite having run for President.

As around 90% of incumbent Senators are reelected, Edwards could have cruised to a victory, and resigned had he been elected to either office in the executive.  As he wasn't elected to the Presidency or Vice Presidency, there'd be one more Democrat held seat in the Senate, which would have given him the position from which to affect change.  I think it's a fair criticism of Edwards that, at a crucial moment, he was no longer in public office.
 

[D]

After seeing Al Gore on Larry  King Live I have no idea why he won't run for President again. I think he would win by a landslide.

I was so moved and inspired by him that I'd actually even go door to door and campaign for him.

[SLCPUNK]

Gore comes off as an honest, intelligent, humble and decent man.