Nine Inch Nails

[Judge Dredd]

so are all their cds as good as this one?

'The Downward Spiral' is, in my mind, one of the greatest albums ever made. When it came out, I hardly listened to anything else for about 6 months.

In addition to the 'All That Could Have Been' live album, check out the DVD, which is quite possibly even better.

[Jim]

U are dead on about the mood, when i really got to listen and pay attention to the lyrics it just sent chills up my spine.

Oh good Lord tell me you're joking.

Let's get something straight first. I fucking love With Teeth. It is great, truly, truly great.

BUT.

The lyrics are dreadful.

Not just bad. Really, really bad.

If I asked you to name three cliches about the 'heart' of somebody not all that nice you would probably say 'black', 'hollow', 'cold'.

The only song on the album that I have found stands out lyrically is 'Right Where it Belongs', my favourite at the moment. (Bear in mind, my favourites tend ot change weekly)

Now, 'All the love...' may be good lyrically, but I'm unsure whether Trent is being cheesy on purpose?

In short, melody and musically wise With Teeth is fantastic. But on a lyrical scale? Prentious, cliched and laughable.

Love it, though.

[HK-47]

In short, melody and musically wise With Teeth is fantastic. But on a lyrical scale? Prentious, cliched and laughable.

NIN's always been that way though, so lyrical diversity is probably not high on a die-hard NIN fan's wishlist.

I don't intend to buy With Teeth. I'll listen to it, or see them live,  should I get the chance but I'm pretty much done buying NIN albums. There's plenty I like in the NIN back-catalogue but the two new tracks I've heard were a total turn off, I don't know why. I suppose it could be because The Fragile is, in my opinion, NIN's best album by a long shot and the new stuff sounds like a big step backwards.

So, a question to NIN fans who own all or most of  the albums; How does With Teeth measure up? And which previous album does it most resemble, in terms of mood, musical style, and interest?

[D]

Keep in mind UI that this is the only NIN's cd ive ever owned so i have nothing to compare it to previously.

I think its great.

anyone have the lyrics to "right where it belongs"?


how can it be a great record if the lyrics are dreadful???



so if I love "With Teeth" u are telling me the other albums would totally blow me away? Right?

[HK-47]

so if I love "With Teeth" u are telling me the other albums would totally blow me away? Right?

I haven't heard that album so I'm not sure exactly how it relates to the others, but if you like the current single then both The Fragile and Downward Spiral  will kick your ass all over the place. Downward Spiral is the more aggressive of the two, The Fragile has a more contemplative, mellower feel.

[Gunner80]

Keep in mind UI that this is the only NIN's cd ive ever owned so i have nothing to compare it to previously.

I think its great.

anyone have the lyrics to "right where it belongs"?


how can it be a great record if the lyrics are dreadful???



so if I love "With Teeth" u are telling me the other albums would totally blow me away? Right?

Same here, I can't listen to an album unless it has good lyrics.  IU just likes to nite pick everything good, he must write for rolling stone or something.    

[usurper]

I love NIN but I'm getting annoyed that the www.nin.com site hasn't been updated since it went to black in November. And what about the Tapeworm project Trent was working on with Maynard James Keenan last summer? ?[rant] They published pictures of them working in the studio last summer, but since then there's been no news about it. ?[no]

The project died on it's arse, Trent said Maynard just wasn't into it, there was no vibe between the two

[metallex78]

so if I love "With Teeth" u are telling me the other albums would totally blow me away? Right?

It depends what you like, I find that all NIN albums take a few listens to sink in, the same with the new album.
After one listen I'm still undecided about it, so far it just seems "ok" to me.

The Fragile is a huge double-album epic, with some amazing stuff on there, you just need time to take it all in.
The Downward Spiral is mostly straight-out aggressive industrial music that you'll either love or hate.

[Jim]

Same here, I can't listen to an album unless it has good lyrics. IU just likes to nite pick everything good, he must write for rolling stone or something.

Well then surely you can't listen to With Teeth...

I'm sorry, but how good the lyrics are don't affect my enjoyment of an album, they just affect what level it affects me on.

I don't mean bad lyrics as in they don't fit the song melodically, that wouldn't make sense...

I just mean that they're...Bad.

I'm sure that you've enjoyed plent of films with (what I would class as) bad dialogue.

Not everything has to fit into place to make one aspect of something really good...In With Teeth it is the music.

And don't tell me I'm 'nit picking', because ask anybody with any integrity what they think of those lyrics and they'll tell you that they are pretty dire.

[Gunner80]

Same here, I can't listen to an album unless it has good lyrics. IU just likes to nite pick everything good, he must write for rolling stone or something.

Well then surely you can't listen to With Teeth...

I'm sorry, but how good the lyrics are don't affect my enjoyment of an album, they just affect what level it affects me on.

I don't mean bad lyrics as in they don't fit the song melodically, that wouldn't make sense...

I just mean that they're...Bad.

I'm sure that you've enjoyed plent of films with (what I would class as) bad dialogue.

Not everything has to fit into place to make one aspect of something really good...In With Teeth it is the music.

And don't tell me I'm 'nit picking', because ask anybody with any integrity what they think of those lyrics and they'll tell you that they are pretty dire.

Trent likes to express his emotions through his lyrics and you Either get or you don't. And what the hell does integrity have to do with NIN or Rock N' Roll for that matter?

[Jim]

That is completly besides the point, that it is him expressing his emotion. Were you trying to make as general a statement as you possibly could? Of course he is expressing himself...That is, of course, irrelevant to whether or not I will enjoy it.

And, actually, integrity has everything to do with rock n' roll. Well, at a base level...

...But hey, as we all know, rock n' roll is full of contradictions.

[plasmabeam]

i just bought With Teeth on Friday. i listened to it twice. love the damn thing. should be great fun listening to this over the next few months. fave songs o far is either Every Day Is... or Right Where It Belongs

[D]

Nine Inch Nails singer says manager bilked him out of millionsThe Associated Press
Updated: 8:04 p.m. ET May 16, 2005NEW YORK - Alternative-rocker Trent Reznor testified Monday against his longtime manager, saying he was stunned to learn in 2003 that despite millions of dollars in earnings by his band, Nine Inch Nails, he was left with as little as $400,000 in cash.

?I felt I had an accountant I couldn?t trust,? he said in his federal civil lawsuit against John Malm. Reznor contends that his former friend duped him into signing a contract that allowed Malm to collect 20 percent of the singer?s gross earnings rather than net earnings.

A lawyer for Malm, Alan Hirth, said in an opening statement that his client worked many years for no salary and kept nothing secret from Reznor.

?Of the millions upon millions upon millions that Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails made, the vast majority went into his (Reznor?s) pocket,? Hirth said.

Reznor testified he trusted Malm more than anyone in his life when he agreed to let him handle his finances in the 1980s as the band signed its first record contract.

?John was the business guy, and I was the guy working for nothing in the studio,? Reznor told jurors.

He said the pair created their own production company and managed sales of merchandise but the expenses piled up, draining large portions of the millions of dollars the band earned with its music releases and concert tours. He admitted he ignored his finances and sometimes signed documents without reading or understanding them.

Reznor said he began to grow worried about finances when he was told during a meeting with Malm and a lawyer in 2002 that there was ?cause for alarm.?

The following year, he said, he asked Malm to tell him how much money he had. He said he was sent a financial statement that revealed he had at most $3 million in total assets and as little as $400,000 in cash.

Nine Inch Nails? latest single, ?The Hand That Feeds,? is No. 2 on Billboard?s Top 20 list of modern rock tracks.

[Kujo]

so if I love "With Teeth" u are telling me the other albums would totally blow me away? Right?

I would say get Pretty Hate Machine, thats the most similar to this one I think. The Downward Spiral was his most sucessful album but very different in style, much mora aggresive and "industrial" sounding. The Fragile has some great moments like on With Teeth but also has alot of filler, this probably would have been better as a single CD.

[liquidvirus]

i still havent gotten into WT proprly
only like all the love, sunspots,onlyand every day... so far

[John Daniels]

Nine Inch Nails singer says manager bilked him out of millionsThe Associated Press
Updated: 8:04 p.m. ET May 16, 2005NEW YORK - Alternative-rocker Trent Reznor testified Monday against his longtime manager, saying he was stunned to learn in 2003 that despite millions of dollars in earnings by his band, Nine Inch Nails, he was left with as little as $400,000 in cash.

?I felt I had an accountant I couldn?t trust,? he said in his federal civil lawsuit against John Malm. Reznor contends that his former friend duped him into signing a contract that allowed Malm to collect 20 percent of the singer?s gross earnings rather than net earnings.

A lawyer for Malm, Alan Hirth, said in an opening statement that his client worked many years for no salary and kept nothing secret from Reznor.

?Of the millions upon millions upon millions that Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails made, the vast majority went into his (Reznor?s) pocket,? Hirth said.

Reznor testified he trusted Malm more than anyone in his life when he agreed to let him handle his finances in the 1980s as the band signed its first record contract.

?John was the business guy, and I was the guy working for nothing in the studio,? Reznor told jurors.

He said the pair created their own production company and managed sales of merchandise but the expenses piled up, draining large portions of the millions of dollars the band earned with its music releases and concert tours. He admitted he ignored his finances and sometimes signed documents without reading or understanding them.

Reznor said he began to grow worried about finances when he was told during a meeting with Malm and a lawyer in 2002 that there was ?cause for alarm.?

The following year, he said, he asked Malm to tell him how much money he had. He said he was sent a financial statement that revealed he had at most $3 million in total assets and as little as $400,000 in cash.

Nine Inch Nails? latest single, ?The Hand That Feeds,? is No. 2 on Billboard?s Top 20 list of modern rock tracks.

This is interesting. Could the song "the hand that feeds" from the album with_teeth be about the manager John Malm??

the lyrics:

You're keeping in step,
And in line.
Got your chin held high and and you feel just fine 'cause you do,
What you're told.
But inside your heart it is black and it's hollow and it's cold.

Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you wanna change it?

What if this whole crusade's,
A charade,
And behind it all,
There's a price to be paid for the blood,
Which we dine?
Justified in the name of the Holy and the Divine.

Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you wanna change it?

So na?ve,
I keep holding what I wanna believe.
I can see,
But I keep holding on and on and on and on.

Will you bite,
The hand that feeds you?
Will you stay down your knees?
Will you bite,
The hand that feeds you?
Will you stay down your knees?
Will you bite,
The hand that feeds you?
Will you stay down your knees?
Will you bite,
The hand that feeds you?
Will you stay down your knees?
Will you bite,
The hand that feeds you?
Will you stay
Down your knees?
Will you bite,
The hand that feeds you?
Will you stay
Down your knee?
Will you bite,
The hand that feeds you?
Will you stay
Down your knees?
Will you bite,
The hand that feeds you?
Will you stay
Down your knees?....

[D]

that very easily could be about it.

I bought "The Fragile" today

I got about 5 songs through on my way home and I like what I've heard so far, I already can tell its gonna take multiple listens for it all to sink in.

We're in this together kicks fuckin ass, I know that much on the first listen.

Im gonna sit down with the booklet and give this cd a few spins while reading the lyrics so i can take it all in.

So far though it is epic and I can tell will be a big favorite.

next I'm gonna pick up "the downward spiral" and then pretty hate machine and then pick up some EP's and live albums.


Does anyone have the "Still" cd?

I want that bad but I hear it is damn near impossible to find.

does anyone have it?


thanks everyone for beating me over the head, I am truly getting into this band and I love it.

something new for me!

[Timothy]

D  when you buy  The Downward Spiral pick up the Deluxe Edition.

[gilld1]

Yeah, absolutely, the deluxe is worth the extra $. 

[Timothy]

MTV has issued a statement in response to NINE INCH NAILS' decision to drop out of the "2005 MTV Movie Awards" following a dispute over NIN's plan to incorporate an image of George W. Bush into their performance of the song "The Hand That Feeds".

NIN's decision to pull out of the show was announced Thursday (May 26) via a statement posted by NAILS frontman Trent Reznor on NIN.com.

"NINE INCH NAILS will not be performing at the 'MTV Movie Awards' as previously announced. We were set to perform 'The Hand That Feeds' with an unmolested, straightforward image of George W. Bush as the backdrop," Reznor wrote. "Apparently, the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me. See you on tour this fall when we return to play in America."

In a brief statement, MTV expressed disappointment in NINE INCH NAILS' decision to drop out of the broadcast.

"While we respect NINE INCH NAILS' point of view, we were uncomfortable with their performance being built around a partisan political statement," the statement reads, according to MTV.com. "When we discussed our discomfort with the band, their choice was to unfortunately pull out of the Movie Awards."

MTV announced that the FOO FIGHTERS would be taking NIN's spot on the show.

The "2005 MTV Movie Awards" air Thursday, June 9 at 8:30 p.m.