Cindy Sheehan Quits..."Dems caved in to Bush"

[C0ma]

And if the US hadn't waited for three years before being bombed into the second world war, uh, we'd . . . no, I'm all out.

Apparently you missed the thread from a few weeks ago where the CIA (non-existent at the time) was responsible for the bombing of Pearl Harbor so that we could test a few nukes on Japan 3 years later... just another in a long line of US War Machine Lies......Back on Topic...

This country has a volunteer military, no one makes you sign up, but starting at the bottom of the food chain you are lied to. Recruiters are just slightly lower than Used Car Salesmen (No Offense to Car Salesmen). They make insane MOS claims and treat military service as nothing more than a 4 year work study leading to the greatest scholarship in the world. Then you leave basic/boot camp and find out the quickest way from North Carolina to Florida is via Afganistan or Iraq. Unfortunatly the people who get put in harms way are the ones joining (for the most part) because they have no realistic shot at college and think this is there only way out.

So in a small way they are all duped, but there is no point that you should join the military with the idea that you are going to coast thru without firing your weapon at a foreign combatant. They train you to kill for a reason, and it's not so you are prepared for a career as an aviation mechanic.

[Bodhi]

Sheehan quit....orrrrrr she stopped receiving money from moveon.org....

[The Dog]

so you're calling someone a liar and accusing them of a smear job with only your opinion to back it up.   

We've gone thru this how many times now? I give my examples and references to back up my claims and their simply blown off because of close minded people here.

So Butters, why waste my time going to that extent?

so because of one poster you're not going to back up what you say?  how convienent.

[freedom78]

Where is Mike Moore when you need him?!

My guess would be that he's either shitting out previously eaten food, or consuming food to be shat out later.  Seriously, I think the biggest problem with the left in this country might be their self-chosen spokespersons.  Moore's an arrogant, and very, very obnoxious human being.  Sean Penn, Rosie O'Donnell...the list goes on.  The greatest product in the world won't be sold if the salesman's an overblown windbag.  Shame. 

[stolat]

Where is Mike Moore when you need him?!

My guess would be that he's either shitting out previously eaten food, or consuming food to be shat out later.? Seriously, I think the biggest problem with the left in this country might be their self-chosen spokespersons.? Moore's an arrogant, and very, very obnoxious human being.? Sean Penn, Rosie O'Donnell...the list goes on.? The greatest product in the world won't be sold if the salesman's an overblown windbag.? Shame.?

I disagree. At least Mike Moore works with facts!

[25]

So in a small way they are all duped, but there is no point that you should join the military with the idea that you are going to coast thru without firing your weapon at a foreign combatant. They train you to kill for a reason, and it's not so you are prepared for a career as an aviation mechanic.

I sort of agree with that. While I think there's room for dissent among the planners and strategists I'm not really interested in the opinion of the troops on the ground. To look at it from a purely reductive standpoint; Even in an utopian scenario in which every member of the military is fully and truthfully informed and fighting a just and valid war their job would be the same as it is today, they're hired killers.

[stolat]

I call them canon fodder.

[25]

IED fodder, in the contemporary parlance. Bring back the cannons, I say.

[polluxlm]

IED fodder, in the contemporary parlance. Bring back the cannons, I say.

Bring back the swords, I say.

[stolat]

IED fodder, in the contemporary parlance. Bring back the cannons, I say.

Bring back the swords, I say.

Well, the Polish calvalry did have a go at charging the tanks in WW2.
Bring back the cavalry!

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Where is Mike Moore when you need him?!

My guess would be that he's either shitting out previously eaten food, or consuming food to be shat out later.  Seriously, I think the biggest problem with the left in this country might be their self-chosen spokespersons.  Moore's an arrogant, and very, very obnoxious human being.  Sean Penn, Rosie O'Donnell...the list goes on.  The greatest product in the world won't be sold if the salesman's an overblown windbag.  Shame. 

I disagree. At least Mike Moore works with facts!

And then he takes those facts and distorts them.

[stolat]

Where is Mike Moore when you need him?!

My guess would be that he's either shitting out previously eaten food, or consuming food to be shat out later.? Seriously, I think the biggest problem with the left in this country might be their self-chosen spokespersons.? Moore's an arrogant, and very, very obnoxious human being.? Sean Penn, Rosie O'Donnell...the list goes on.? The greatest product in the world won't be sold if the salesman's an overblown windbag.? Shame.?

I disagree. At least Mike Moore works with facts!

And then he takes those facts and distorts them.

Intellegently!

[Drew]

What has Cindy Sheehan lied about?

Did Iraq have WMD???

Helloooooooooooooo.

That was the point of the war, remember?

Sarin Nerve Gas was found.

[Drew]

so because of one poster you're not going to back up what you say?  how convienent.

One poster? Are you crazy? It's plural!

I have continued to back up my opinions and claims over and over with articles and links. But even when I prove my point, members continue to ignore proof and attack something else like the link where the article is. So Butters, it has alot more to with than just being "convenient."

[polluxlm]

What has Cindy Sheehan lied about?

Did Iraq have WMD???

Helloooooooooooooo.

That was the point of the war, remember?

Sarin Nerve Gas was found.

You mean the gas the US sold them?

[Drew]

You mean the gas the US sold them?

What are you saying? Does it not make it WMD's if the U.S. sold it to them?

Yes, I'm talking about the Sarin Nerve Gas Saddam Hussein used to kill thousands, if not millions of people.

[SLCPUNK]

 Does it not make it WMD's if the U.S. sold it to them?

Yes, I'm talking about the Sarin Nerve Gas Saddam Hussein used to kill thousands, if not millions of people.

Shut up already, for Christ sake. There was no fucking WMD found. You people are pathetic. Even the president of the United States makes no claims of finding WMD. On the contrary he joked about not finding them (which was even more sickening, since our kids got sent over there for WMD and there was none.)

The gas they found was the gas we provided them-since degraded- and in the words of the weapons inspectors about as dangerous as the can of Raid bug spray you find under the kitchen sink. Hardly WMD.

You also forget that when Saddam gassed the Kurds, with the gas WE PROVIDED HIM, that we sat idle and did absolutely nothing. We didn't do a fucking thing. And now, nearly 20 yrs later the uneducated dolts use that as some sort of battle cry to rush into Iraq. Give me a fucking break, there was no WMD, only lies. Your war on terror has failed, you fucking blew it. You people lie so much it's insane, seek help.

[SLCPUNK]

I have lots of family in Texas....maybe I should make a bid on this?


Land that defined the peace movement is up for grabs


CRAWFORD ? Opponents and backers of George W. Bush have been sparring here, in the president's backyard, over issues of war and peace since Bush first took office.

Now, a new conflict is brewing: ownership of the 5-acre patch of turf ? the "heart and soul" of the U.S. peace movement, as one protester put it ? that activist mom Cindy Sheehan is planning to sell next week on eBay for upward of $80,000.

Robert Dixon, the executive director of Move America Forward, a California-based grass-roots organization that backs the U.S. mission in Iraq, said his group is prepared to do "whatever we have to" to purchase Camp Casey, which lies just a few miles from the president's ranch.

His mission: to replace the memorial of white crosses to fallen U.S. service members erected by the anti-war activists with a memorial to fallen U.S. service members to be erected by defenders of the war in Iraq.

Sheehan, perhaps the anti-war movement's most visible face who this week said she's resigning from her public role, "won't sell it to them for $5 million, not on a cold day in hell," said Sheehan's sister, Dede Miller, 48.
Not knowingly, anyway. Miller acknowledged her sister, whose son, Casey, a U.S. Army specialist, was killed in Iraq in 2004, could be fooled if middlemen get involved in the bidding.

So far, Sheehan, 49, hasn't received any serious offers from anti-war groups, but there's still time ? and hope, Miller said.

Anti-war activist Carl Rising-Moore said land sale notwithstanding, Camp Casey would remain the symbolic center of the anti-war movement. "Camp Casey is a state of mind," he said from the campground along FM 317. Protesters, he said, would remain in Crawford; they'll just move up the road, to the ditches where Sheehan and others first set up camp in 2005. A new ordinance may ban tents along roads, but it says nothing about "throwing down a bed roll," noted Rising-Moore, 61, a Vietnam-era veteran.

[judaskennedy]

cindy sheehan... more like cindy SHEMAN if you know what im sayin

[SLCPUNK]

cindy sheehan... more like cindy SHEMAN if you know what im sayin

Wow, you should be a comedy writer.