Web world discussion : Should children be chipped ?

[Jessica]

I see it everywhere !

A lot of parents want their children microchipped so they can be located instantly in case of drama or if they were to get lost.

Discuss

[2112]

Hell no.

If its lost its lost.

Part of the game.

[Skeletor]

Hell no.

If its lost its lost.

Part of the game.

I hear ya.

Finders keepers, is what I always like to say.

[St_Jimmyuk]

it would be a good idea but kind of breach of human rights and impossible to work if kids are kidnapped (im guessing you are posting this in light of what is currently going on (madaline)) if everyone was chipped kidnappers will know where they are and have a method of deactivating so you would still be in the same situation

it would be good for just general losses of kids though but would never work in kidnapping cases

[Jessica]

Mataphysical question, but isn't it a breech of human rights to let child killers have human rights ?

Isn't it a breech of human rights to deprive children ( or adults) of human rights when victimized ?

I do think it could work in case of kidnappings if a child had one, i'm not saying each child should have one but it should be at the parent's discretion to have one implemanted or not...

Interpol is very worried with nowadays cellphones with the 3G technology.

Terrorists, pedophiles and all harcore criminals have been given a technology that leaves absolutely no traces?

So what happens when criminals have in fact more rights than a lamda citizen ?

What can people do ?

[St_Jimmyuk]

i know its not right but im a lawyer so i have had the fact everyone has rights drummed into me (law student anyway) so thats the way i think not that i agree its correct but its just the way it is

[mrlee]

nope, this is wrong.

How you ment to take it out when your older? you wont, government will just track your ass.

[Jessica]

nope, this is wrong.

How you ment to take it out when your older? you wont, government will just track your ass.

You take it out just as you put it in.

And sorry, but after meeting people from national security a few years back, they don't need a chip to know, if they want, within a few seconds, they already know all about you, to your worst fears and weaknesses.

Your worries are a false problem because the governmental technologies are far mroe advanced than you think.

And to be honest, if you don't have problems withthe law, stop thinking you interest them, that's the problem with many people, they think their life is interesting enough so people will snoop into their lifes..

Do you really think they give a shit ?

[2112]

Plantings of tracking devices inside of people is the beginning of the "Big Brother" society where everything you do is controlled by government, George Orwell style.


And that is democracy being raped at its finest.

[The Dog]

Very interesting discussion - I hope it can remain mature...

I think it should be the parents choice, not a government thing.  If a private firm could put the micro chip in a child and have it EASILY removed WHENEVER  the parent wanted to I see no problems with that at all.

government has no right to know anything about the whereabouts of a kid though.

My dog has a chip in him in case he gets lost so shelters know that hes not a stray.

[Jessica]

Plantings of tracking devices inside of people is the beginning of the "Big Brother" society where everything you do is controlled by government, George Orwell style.


And that is democracy being raped at its finest.

demo what ?

you still believe in democracy ?

I don't, but i believe in protecting kids.

[St_Jimmyuk]

the government control everything already we already live in a big brother society or at least i think we do the average person is caught shit loads of times on cctv throughout a normal day

[Jessica]

Very interesting discussion - I hope it can remain mature...

I think it should be the parents choice, not a government thing.? If a private firm could put the micro chip in a child and have it EASILY removed WHENEVER? the parent wanted to I see no problems with that at all.

government has no right to know anything about the whereabouts of a kid though.

My dog has a chip in him in case he gets lost so shelters know that hes not a stray.

exactly, the techno is available for animals and ready for humans.

Man knows as professor cyborg in england can do it.

Easily removed, fast, no pain.

The government doesn't care, it's that people don't want to realise.

They have bigger animals to tame.

People do not interest them, at all.

[Jessica]

the government control everything already we already live in a big brother society or at least i think we do the average person is caught shit loads of times on cctv throughout a normal day

Of course, but does it affect your life ? probably not

I don't care if i am filmed on cctv, i don't give a shit, i am clean when it comes to the law, a few unpaid bills here and that's hardly a reason to have taxpayers money send to my door in uniforms asking me if i still have a teddy in bed as i sleep..

[The Dog]

this discussion shouldn't have much to do with the government - private firms would be the ones doing this most likely.  kidnapping isn't that big of a problem in this country (its horrible, but not a major, serious, country-wide epidemic).

i wouldn't be surprised if there aren't private firms who are already offering to do this.

what in the world would the govt ever have to gain from microchipping EVERY kid thats born.  it'd be so retarded.

[2112]

Plantings of tracking devices inside of people is the beginning of the "Big Brother" society where everything you do is controlled by government, George Orwell style.


And that is democracy being raped at its finest.

demo what ?

you still believe in democracy ?

I don't, but i believe in protecting kids.

You cant protect kids to 100 %.
There is always a chance that the person walking next to you suddenly pulls up a bat and starts to beat up people, the driver of a car might have been drinking alcohol and the bicycle might be a member of Al-Qaida and is having 47 kg of explosives in a belt around his waist.
The best way is to stay at home, but than there is a chanse of the oceans flooding over and drowning everyone, the sun exploding or diseases and viruses floathing around.
Or that you loses your mind, joins a religious sect and starts thinking about the idea of sacrificing you children to some spiritual leader.

I believe that this would make it easier for the parents to track their children, but with new technology comes new problems e.g kidnappers abductors etc etc finds methods to turn chips into their advantage, as previously said.

[Jessica]

Well, i didn't intend to say protecting kids against life or fate, but against people who mean them harm.

Actually, disappearances don't just concern kids.

Do you know how many millions vanish every year throughout the world ?

[2112]

Possibly a random number between 3 to 450 thousand. Kids in Africa, Asia (includes Russia) and South America are not valued especially highly.
There is where the real problem is if you think about vanished kids.
They are taken off the street, killed, having their organs removed and sold and shipped to Europe/America before you have time to say "Oh". They gets forced to prostitute etc etc
They face dangers you children will never meet. Because organ traders dont mess with West European kids since thats to complicated.
They go to Shanghai or Venezuela and snatch some off the streets.

Chipping kids sounds like something for the white rich people.

But.
The question is.

How do you know who means harm to your children?
You dont know. Tricky.
How about mindcontrol chips so we can read their thoughts.

[Genesis]

Imagine some crazy hacker pedophile that uses the info from the chip to track your child as well. To get them someplace alone.

As far as technology is concerned, there are always two sides to the coin. If the application is critical and the technology can be misused, don't do it.

If you want to be sure you won't get hacked, don't plug your box on to the Internet. Same principle.

[polluxlm]

No, no way.

The government may have more control than we know, but if we start to give up primary rights soon they'll take all of them. It's a matter of principle.

The one who tries to chip me or my kids is going to spend some time in a hospital.