Gay or Straight?

[SLCPUNK]

The Science Of Sexuality

[Dr. Blutarsky]

I think it's genes. Being straight, the thought of going gay is in no way appealing to me. Which makes me think that it definitely is not a conscious choice. I could never choose to be gay. Just like gays really can't choose to be straight.

[Timothy]

I think who gives a shit . just let people be who they are.

[Genesis]

I think it's genes. Being straight, the thought of going gay is in no way appealing to me. Which makes me think that it definitely is not a conscious choice. I could never choose to be gay. Just like gays really can't choose to be straight.

IMO not genes. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I don't think nature will provide for a situation in which there is no chance for procreation. I would say situation and circumstance.

[SLCPUNK]

Did anybody watch the video yet?

[norway]

People get born with genes the way they are, and childhood also affects the orientation...not that you can't be born with it.
So thats right, as for now there is no definite answer thats been proved.

I think genes plays a big part tho

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Did anybody watch the video yet?

yeah, thanks for the link.  I've read similar studies on twins before, how one child is completely straight but the other isnt, even when they are the raised in the same family, same upbringing, etc.  So it's something more than genes, environment.  A while ago, I read 'A Scanner Darkly'  (not just because Axl likes it too  ),  and it really opened my eyes to the study of the brain. Its development affects you just as much as genes/hereditary factors.   For example, the real Rainman whose name is Kim Peek may have inherited his dad's eye color etc, but what makes him a savant is his incredibly weird brain.  His left-side and right-side are not connected as they are for everyone else! 

So being a savant was not a "lifestyle choice" for him nor did he inherit it from his parents.  you see what I mean?

I don't think nature will provide for a situation in which there is no chance for procreation.

It's not "no chance" - gays arent sterile like mules.  Certainly less chance, but there's millions of gay men who marry and have kids because many times it's not acceptable to come out and live an 'alternate lifestyle'.  I'm sure there are situations like this in India too.

[Genesis]

It's not "no chance" - gays arent sterile like mules.  Certainly less chance, but there's millions of gay men who marry and have kids because many times it's not acceptable to come out and live an 'alternate lifestyle'.  I'm sure there are situations like this in India too.

I meant with each other. Marrying due to social stigma and having kids doesn't count.

[gandra]

i'm straight,but i haven't anything against gay population,but i can not understand how can two biys can make love.

But on the other hand,with gay population we will be dismisede from the earth (i think with 100%)

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

i'm straight,but i haven't anything against gay population,but i can not understand how can two biys can make love.

i think they have butt sex.

[Timothy]

i'm straight,but i haven't anything against gay population,but i can not understand how can two biys can make love.

But on the other hand,with gay population we will be dismisede from the earth (i think with 100%)

well Maybe the don't make love!!! Maybe the just fuck .

[CheapJon]

i'm straight,but i haven't anything against gay population,but i can not understand how can two biys can make love.

open up your mind man.. they can go anal.. and there's more to do in sex then intercourse/penetration

But on the other hand,with gay population we will be dismisede from the earth (i think with 100%)

naah, actually, if all the women forced men to freeze there sperm then kill the men the female population could survive physically.. it might have been very lonely if they still were straight (the dildo is in most cases better then a penis ) but emotionally it could have been hard..

[jazjme]

very interesting conversation here.. as one of the forst openly gay guys on GNR forums.lol goin back to 2002.lol but who the fuck cares, man just live life. And haters ya know what fuck off, I can care what you think about me, you should try to worry about your own damn life and how to live it and care and love about who you want than worry if I liked to get fucked ! or like fucking with other guys, ..lol some of these conversations really ..lol!

[Jackamo!]

It's choice.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

It is a choice to admit if you are gay. A person can be gay and stay in the closet, thus choosing to live his/her life not true to themselves.

But what the hell do I know.......

[Doc Emmett Brown]

It's not "no chance" - gays arent sterile like mules.  Certainly less chance, but there's millions of gay men who marry and have kids because many times it's not acceptable to come out and live an 'alternate lifestyle'.  I'm sure there are situations like this in India too.

I meant with each other. Marrying due to social stigma and having kids doesn't count.

I should have made this clearer before, gays dont only have offspring due to social stigma, many of them want to be good parents and raise a child regardless of whether the child "counts" on their side as you would put it.   Both of the twins in the video can grow up to be dads, one will do it the straight way, the other can take the route that is used by straight couples when they have to find a surrogate mother.  Regardless, it all leads to procreation of human beings.

[Genesis]

I should have made this clearer before, gays dont only have offspring due to social stigma, many of them want to be good parents and raise a child regardless of whether the child "counts" on their side as you would put it.   Both of the twins in the video can grow up to be dads, one will do it the straight way, the other can take the route that is used by straight couples when they have to find a surrogate mother.  Regardless, it all leads to procreation of human beings.

Missing my point. I didn't say that gay couples don't make good parents or that they couldn't adopt one or have one through a surrogate. My point was in opposition to the claim that sexual orientation is in one's genes and that it is decided by nature. The fact that some gay people say "I can't help being this way, I was born to be gay"  (Anne Heche comes to mind) is pure BS IMO. Being gay or not, is influenced by circumstance and somebody's personal choice.

[TAP]

Missing my point. I didn't say that gay couples don't make good parents or that they couldn't adopt one or have one through a surrogate. My point was in opposition to the claim that sexual orientation is in one's genes and that it is decided by nature. The fact that some gay people say "I can't help being this way, I was born to be gay"  (Anne Heche comes to mind) is pure BS IMO. Being gay or not, is influenced by circumstance and somebody's personal choice.

Yeah the Anne Heche argument is a great one, seeing as the first recorded incidence of homosexuality was in Hollywood sometime in the 80s. There's absolutely no record of homosexuality in every culture throughout history.

Anyone here want to seriously claim that they chose to be straight?

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Missing my point. I didn't say that gay couples don't make good parents or that they couldn't adopt one or have one through a surrogate. My point was in opposition to the claim that sexual orientation is in one's genes and that it is decided by nature. The fact that some gay people say "I can't help being this way, I was born to be gay"  (Anne Heche comes to mind) is pure BS IMO. Being gay or not, is influenced by circumstance and somebody's personal choice.

If, as one of the twin kids in the video (you know the thread topic, and all....), you behave a certain way because it feels natural for you, then it's just how your brain is wired.  As I replied to SLC, the process of wiring the brain is influenced by your genes, but not entirely.  But neither is it up to you.  The environment in which the fetus' brain develops is not well understood.  What makes someone left handed/gay/a savant is dependent on how their brain is wired.  You're constrained to the binaray genes vs. chice argument, and I'm pointing out that there is something else that factors into who we are.

[Genesis]

Perhaps. I don't know. Anyway as somebody said, it shouldn't matter.