the GNR underground discovered about the leaksers, and the hoarders...

[russtcb]

Who are you to judge if someone's art should be released before he's done with it?

Funny you should mention making judgements. That was part of my original point. Unlike alot of "leadership" on various boards, I'm not making judgements. I'm saying I'm a GNR fan and I really enjoy hearing any news material I can in any form.

You still haven't answered my last question.

Sure did....my answer was "I'm not making any judgements"

[Axlfreek]

the topic is starting to bore me


...moving on

[DarkVirus]

Kudos to Jarmo/Mods for leaving this thread open.

Actually.....I didn't take time to think about that fact either.

Thank you!

Theres not much he can do? If this thread was taken down or deleted that would make Jarmo look even worse , the man needs a chance to explain himself

[stolat]

Ok, it looks like Axl will have to write and offically release a kick arse song about the issues he has with leaks so that all his fan base will get it..........

[highvoltage]

Honestly, the reaction over a letter. Priceless.

This coming from the guy who said this at mygnr:

Oh yeah... and the Jarmo thing... wow. Who woulda thunk it? Madison's copped a whole heap of shit for getting in arguments with Jarmo and running our board the way it should be run. It's kind of nice to know that everyone has their "little" flaws.

Now that's what's priceless 

Did you have a point in there?

[russtcb]

Ok, it looks like Axl will have to...offically release a kick arse song...

Yep. He sure does have to do that... 

[Voxy]

This thread is like reading Days of Our Fucking Lives!
It would be a shame if Axl was to actually read any of this dribble unfolding. ?
Its pretty bad that leakers are stealing the mans thunder, considering Axls spent 14 away "working" on his (masterpiece) album. ?Id be pissed!
 

[Christos AG]

Who are you to judge if someone's art should be released before he's done with it?

Funny you should mention making judgements. That was part of my original point. Unlike alot of "leadership" on various boards, I'm not making judgements. I'm saying I'm a GNR fan and I really enjoy hearing any news material I can in any form.

You still haven't answered my last question.

Sure did....my answer was "I'm not making any judgements"

"Since everything to do with art is opinion based, there's just no way for this to be a fact."

You're saying that the artist's opinion doesn't matter. If others think the art is good, it should be released.

Isn't that judging?

[November_Rain]

Ok, it looks like Axl will have to write and offically release a kick arse song about the issues he has with leaks so that all his fan base will get it..........

Get in the ring part II. Or better, Get in the leak

And I agree with what Christos said, who are you (the leakers) to release the artist?s work  without his consent?

[russtcb]

Who are you to judge if someone's art should be released before he's done with it?

Funny you should mention making judgements. That was part of my original point. Unlike alot of "leadership" on various boards, I'm not making judgements. I'm saying I'm a GNR fan and I really enjoy hearing any news material I can in any form.

You still haven't answered my last question.

Sure did....my answer was "I'm not making any judgements"

"Since everything to do with art is opinion based, there's just no way for this to be a fact."

You're saying that the artist's opinion doesn't matter. If others think the art is good, it should be released.

Isn't that judging?

None of us know Axl Rose's opinion on anything really.

[MotherGooseLuvR]

I'll defend Jarmo!

What the fuck do you expect him to do? ?Not download a leak that's sent to him? ?Of course he's going to listen to it.

Because of the access his site enjoys with the band -- access that each and every one of us benefits from -- he has to play by their rules. ?No leaks posted. ?No requests. ?He's gotta tow the company line on that or get shut down -- just like our Chris Pitman fan site got shut down.

Fretting about leaks one way or another is SIMPLY RETARDED. ?No matter how much Axl panics and sweats, the CAN NOT STOP THE SPREAD OF LEAKS.

Wait a minute, let me repeat that... AXL CAN NOT STOP THE SPREAD OF LEAKS. ?Nobody can. ?Times have changed. ?Axl likes control, but this is one instance in which just being Lord Axl Rose isn't enough.

Don't blame Jarmo. ?He's taken shit for years -- tons of shit -- shit from assholes like me -- and all he's ever tried to do is support and defend his favorite rock star. ?If you think it's hypocritical that he'd listen to leaks while not allowing them in his forum, you might have a point. ?I guess... But here's a bigger point -- WHO GIVES A FUCK?

[cyllan]

You people never get it.

This is not the finished product.

Putting out songs that are not finished only harm the band.

Yeah, I've heard these leaks, and I decided that I'm not gonna buy any CD-s of Guns N' Roses in the future, and furthermore, I threw my other GNR cd-s in the garbage along with my DVD-s and T-shirts.

What harm can they cause, really? Everyone is buying the album anyways, and it just gave me faith that it's gonna be kickass.

It's not so much what harm but harm to what.  And that what, is GNR's reputation.  I'm sure you've heard the saying that you don't get a second chance to make a good first impression, well, what kind of first impression are non-GNR fans going to get about CD when they hear the leaks (which are bound to spread like wildfire)?  The majority of them won't stop to consider, or care, whether or not they're the finished product, they'll be only to pleased to spread the word about the sub-standard efforts of Axl and the boys - and then it'll be the true fans who suffer when negative attitudes in the press and by word-of-mouth affect album sales and touring prospects.

[stolat]

Ok, it looks like Axl will have to...offically release a kick arse song...

Yep. He sure does have to do that...?

And here is another example of someone just not getting it.......Looks like you don't really want to understand this issue.........

[norway]

Theres not much he can do? If this thread was taken down or deleted that would make Jarmo look even worse , the man needs a chance to explain himself

What do you mean? He is against leaks, he respect the artists wishes.
I guess he should do a complete crossover cause some internet-geek sends him leaks and wanna join an club he thinks exist? Or to be popular?

HTGTH has always been what separate from the other sites..integrity.

I' fine with leaks, the more the merrier for me...but it IS illegal, and those who are against it are entitled to be that without being called assholes.
That means that both sides are both right and wrong.

[russtcb]

Ok, it looks like Axl will have to...offically release a kick arse song...

Yep. He sure does have to do that...?

And here is another example of someone just not getting it.......Looks like you don't really want to understand this issue.........

Hahaha....such high horses..... maybe it's not so much "no getting it" as having a difference of opinion

[Christos AG]

Who are you to judge if someone's art should be released before he's done with it?

Funny you should mention making judgements. That was part of my original point. Unlike alot of "leadership" on various boards, I'm not making judgements. I'm saying I'm a GNR fan and I really enjoy hearing any news material I can in any form.

You still haven't answered my last question.

Sure did....my answer was "I'm not making any judgements"

"Since everything to do with art is opinion based, there's just no way for this to be a fact."

You're saying that the artist's opinion doesn't matter. If others think the art is good, it should be released.

Isn't that judging?

None of us know Axl Rose's opinion on anything really.

So, does that justify you to release his art?

maybe it's not so much "no getting it" as having a difference of opinion

I don't see an opinion in your answers... All I see is someone trying to avoid giving a proper answer to my questions...

[stolat]

Ok, it looks like Axl will have to...offically release a kick arse song...

Yep. He sure does have to do that...?

And here is another example of someone just not getting it.......Looks like you don't really want to understand this issue.........

Hahaha....such high horses..... maybe it's not so much "no getting it" as having a difference of opinion

This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of right and wrong - yes, on a much higher level.

[god of thunder]

I'll defend Jarmo!

What the fuck do you expect him to do?  Not download a leak that's sent to him?  Of course he's going to listen to it.

Because of the access his site enjoys with the band -- access that each and every one of us benefits from -- he has to play by their rules.  No leaks posted.  No requests.  He's gotta tow the company line on that or get shut down -- just like our Chris Pitman fan site got shut down.

Fretting about leaks one way or another is SIMPLY RETARDED.  No matter how much Axl panics and sweats, the CAN NOT STOP THE SPREAD OF LEAKS.

Wait a minute, let me repeat that... AXL CAN NOT STOP THE SPREAD OF LEAKS.  Nobody can.  Times have changed.  Axl likes control, but this is one instance in which just being Lord Axl Rose isn't enough.

Don't blame Jarmo.  He's taken shit for years -- tons of shit -- shit from assholes like me -- and all he's ever tried to do is support and defend his favorite rock star.  If you think it's hypocritical that he'd listen to leaks while not allowing them in his forum, you might have a point.  I guess... But here's a bigger point -- WHO GIVES A FUCK?

Exactly the way I see it...though it should not be our job to say these things:) The man can write for himself I guess:)
And one has to consider how hard it is to defend Axl anyways! I mean usually that band does not exactly support their supporters very much; to say it in a cautious way:)

[chineseblues]

Who are you to judge if someone's art should be released before he's done with it?

Funny you should mention making judgements. That was part of my original point. Unlike alot of "leadership" on various boards, I'm not making judgements. I'm saying I'm a GNR fan and I really enjoy hearing any news material I can in any form.

You still haven't answered my last question.

Sure did....my answer was "I'm not making any judgements"

"Since everything to do with art is opinion based, there's just no way for this to be a fact."

You're saying that the artist's opinion doesn't matter. If others think the art is good, it should be released.

Isn't that judging?

None of us know Axl Rose's opinion on anything really.

I think him having his lawyers sending out letters regarding the leaks gives a pretty good idea that he doesn't want them out there.

[DarkFairy]

Actually, from my experiences, the majority of people don't even know GN'R exsists anymore, not one person I've talked to knew anything about CD or GN'R since 1992, and I talk about GN'R alot.

At least over here anyway.