South African shows cancelled

[gnr2006]

Does every band have the quality music GN'R has?





/jarmo

I don't know.  We hav'nt heard the quality of this band's music on an album.



Sorry, Jarmo.  Had to be said.

If every other artist is so fucking great and GN'R are horrible and have nothing special about them, what the fuck are you doing here?




/jarmo

Because mabey the original GNR is his favorite band, and has been led to believe Axl was going to release an album and to this day it has still never happened.  Perhaps he is just now recounting the countless amount of tour dates that have been canceled.  Perhaps he doesn't get backstage at GNR shows like you, so he isn't afraid to speak his mind when needed. 

I don't get to go backstage at GNR shows, and I don't feel like you.

Jarmo ran this site for FUCKING YEARS before GNR even acknowledged he was alive. You'll need another argument, buddy.

[estrangedpaul]

For those of you who say "Oh why can't they just replace him like they did with Brain", there is a huge difference! Brain's wife was expecting a baby so they were expecting Brain to leave the band for a while and thus had Frank touring with the band, ready to step in whenever it was time for Brain to go home to his wife. This unexpected situation with Tommy's accident is way different.

They have at least two months between the injury and Australian dates, one month between injury and South Africa. Lots of time. There's loadsa bass players who'd be well able and would love the opportunity/money.

I know all the songs, I could do it!

[Axlfreek]

Nobody here knows exactly what goes on behind the curtains of the GN'R camp so we can't just jump to conclusions and speculate on hwy the dates were cancelled. It could be a million reasons. I don't know, but I still trust Axl.

Right on dude.

Though, unfortunately, there are many people here who feel like they are "owed the right" to speculate, and then owed the right to decide the band is over because of what they speculated.

so once it's proven wrong on our part then i will let you tell me im the biggest asshole alive. if i'm right i have the right the "i told you so's..."

You dont need to be proven wrong to be called an asshole.

YOU ARE AN ASSOLE

[jarmo]

Because mabey the original GNR is his favorite band, and has been led to believe Axl was going to release an album and to this day it has still never happened.  Perhaps he is just now recounting the countless amount of tour dates that have been canceled.  Perhaps he doesn't get backstage at GNR shows like you, so he isn't afraid to speak his mind when needed. 

Speak his mind? 

More like take out all the frustrations in his life on a band he doesn't even support.

Well I guess the definition of support for some of you means buying the albums and feeling like the band owes you.



Regarding the rest of your post, I say what I think. That's why I get labeled a prick on a weekly basis by your kind. 

I'll be happy to admit that I don't think like you or your kind of fans. I'm very proud of that.

I tend to see things differently and not let something that happened in 1996 or 2002 affect me today.

PhillyRiot..... 



/jarmo

[sjgotnitro]

why are people so offended at speculation? i mean honestly what does it hurt...

and just because people think GnR is over doesnt mean they are...we just gotta wait and see how this mess pans out no need to freak out on each other

What does it hurt? You need to ask that question?



How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.



"That Neemo always lies to everybody, nothing he says is true. He never canceled that trip because he was sick, he just didn't wanna go. He'd rather sit inside and post on message boards. He just doesn't care about any of you!"




/jarmo

Then why have a message board about GNR. Everything is in darkness nobody knows the truth about anything anymore, without speculation there would be nothing to discuss. ?

[Neemo]

How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.

well if i was rich and famous i'd be pretty niaeve to think all press about me would be good....i'd also prolly update my fan base as much as possible to the truth of the situation instead of letting it boil over...but maybe thats just me.

besides if i had a message board dedicated to me with over 8000 members I'd be pretty fucking flattered The response this thread is getting shows that there are many people that care about GnR and want them to suceed...I'm sure we've all been ridiculed for staying by this band after all the crap that has gone down..all the bad press they've received

You know the biggest thing that will happen to each and everyone of us? the peopel we know personally in our day to day life are gonna just laugh and shake their heads and say "Damn....why do you follow that washed up has-been for?" and that more than anything pisses alot of us off...yeah the majority of us dont have tickets, but we've stuck with the band through all the shitty times, and now even the fanbase is imploding on itself with constant bickering and bullshit, on top of that when this news hits mainstream attention...we will be ridiculed for believing that Axl and GnR would rise from the ashes and take the rock world by storm again...be cause instead of that he jsut cancelled a whole goddamned tour again

[gnr2006]

why are people so offended at speculation? i mean honestly what does it hurt...

and just because people think GnR is over doesnt mean they are...we just gotta wait and see how this mess pans out no need to freak out on each other

What does it hurt? You need to ask that question?



How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.



"That Neemo always lies to everybody, nothing he says is true. He never canceled that trip because he was sick, he just didn't wanna go. He'd rather sit inside and post on message boards. He just doesn't care about any of you!"




/jarmo

Then why have a message board about GNR. Everything is in darkness nobody knows the truth about anything anymore, without speculation there would be nothing to discuss. 

Yeah, Jarmo started this board so everyone could make up their own lies and then speculate on the result. I think it's mentioned on the front page.

I can't believe people can criticize Jarmo, when you've got other GNR sites with webmasters who try and make tons of money of their sites through ticket advertisements and shit.

GNR 2007 MOTHERFUCKERS!

[Axlfreek]

why are people so offended at speculation? i mean honestly what does it hurt...

and just because people think GnR is over doesnt mean they are...we just gotta wait and see how this mess pans out no need to freak out on each other

What does it hurt? You need to ask that question?



How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.



"That Neemo always lies to everybody, nothing he says is true. He never canceled that trip because he was sick, he just didn't wanna go. He'd rather sit inside and post on message boards. He just doesn't care about any of you!"




/jarmo

Then why have a message board about GNR. Everything is in darkness nobody knows the truth about anything anymore, without speculation there would be nothing to discuss. ?

nothing to discuss ?


-Gnr playing over 80 shows last year
-The leaks
-The new official website
-the updates we have been getting on the official web site
-the new songs they have been playing at there shows
-axl not being a recluse any more

the list goes on

[jarmo]

Then why have a message board about GNR. Everything is in darkness nobody knows the truth about anything anymore, without speculation there would be nothing to discuss. 

To share news about the band and have discussions about the band. To have a place where fans who feel the same way about the band can connect with others.



It's not about spreading lies, attacking the band or about posting shit about them.




/jarmo

[gnr2006]

How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.

well if i was rich and famous i'd be pretty niaeve to think all press about me would be good....i'd also prolly update my fan base as much as possible to the truth of the situation instead of letting it boil over...but maybe thats just me.

besides if i had a message board dedicated to me with over 8000 members I'd be pretty fucking flattered The response this thread is getting shows that there are many people that care about GnR and want them to suceed...I'm sure we've all been ridiculed for staying by this band after all the crap that has gone down..all the bad press they've received

You know the biggest thing that will happen to each and everyone of us? the peopel we know personally in our day to day life are gonna just laugh and shake their heads and say "Damn....why do you follow that washed up has-been for?" and that more than anything pisses alot of us off...yeah the majority of us dont have tickets, but we've stuck with the band through all the shitty times, and now even the fanbase is imploding on itself with constant bickering and bullshit, on top of that when this news hits mainstream attention...we will be ridiculed for believing that Axl and GnR would rise from the ashes and take the rock world by storm again...be cause instead of that he jsut cancelled a whole goddamned tour again

If what other people think of you pisses you off so much, go back to ROV and let them kiss your ass.

Seriously, are you really that concerned about your friends making fun of you for still being into GNR? That's really lame, doesn't say a lot about you as a person.

[jarmo]

How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.

well if i was rich and famous i'd be pretty niaeve to think all press about me would be good...

Press? It would be your so called fans who spread the bullshit speculating about you. In addition to the press.

And you'd "owe" them even after they treat you this way!





/jarmo

[Neemo]

If what other people think of you pisses you off so much, go back to ROV and let them kiss your ass.

Seriously, are you really that concerned about your friends making fun of you for still being into GNR? That's really lame, doesn't say a lot about you as a person.

fuck, you cunt, i dont give a crap what anybody thinks of me...especially you and i'll go to whatever board i damn well please...if jarmo wants to ban me he can but you have no say so go fuckyourself and go back to your own shitty forum. And thank god you dont know me as a person, you have no idea what I am like and if you did you woulnd say that shit to my face. Those who dont like me can fuck off

and i dont care if my freinds laugh at me for liking the band, i've grown used to it....but i try and avoid talking about gnr as much as possible these days, i'm sick of making excuses for them

[sjgotnitro]

How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.

well if i was rich and famous i'd be pretty niaeve to think all press about me would be good....i'd also prolly update my fan base as much as possible to the truth of the situation instead of letting it boil over...but maybe thats just me.

besides if i had a message board dedicated to me with over 8000 members I'd be pretty fucking flattered The response this thread is getting shows that there are many people that care about GnR and want them to suceed...I'm sure we've all been ridiculed for staying by this band after all the crap that has gone down..all the bad press they've received

You know the biggest thing that will happen to each and everyone of us? the peopel we know personally in our day to day life are gonna just laugh and shake their heads and say "Damn....why do you follow that washed up has-been for?" and that more than anything pisses alot of us off...yeah the majority of us dont have tickets, but we've stuck with the band through all the shitty times, and now even the fanbase is imploding on itself with constant bickering and bullshit, on top of that when this news hits mainstream attention...we will be ridiculed for believing that Axl and GnR would rise from the ashes and take the rock world by storm again...be cause instead of that he jsut cancelled a whole goddamned tour again

If what other people think of you pisses you off so much, go back to ROV and let them kiss your ass.

Seriously, are you really that concerned about your friends making fun of you for still being into GNR? That's really lame, doesn't say a lot about you as a person.

gnr2006
And just who the fuck are you.

Neemo and Jarmo might disagree on things but Neemo is very respectful of jarmo and will not tolerate any bad talking about Jarmo on his board. It gets deleted or they get hammered big time.

You have been saying FUCK YOU a few times in this therad to other members untouched.

WELL FUCK YOU TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The_Wretched]

How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.

well if i was rich and famous i'd be pretty niaeve to think all press about me would be good...

Press? It would be your so called fans who spread the bullshit speculating about you. In addition to the press.

And you'd "owe" them even after they treat you this way!





/jarmo

you reap what you sow.... this is what happens when you play with people hopes and trust for over 15 years. if fans react like this... it's from past experience.

[RoCoKiN]

There comes a time when even the strongest of heart begins to feel they are beginning to falter.  Oh the pangs...the pangs...."...love lift us up where we belong..." 

[Neemo]

How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.

well if i was rich and famous i'd be pretty niaeve to think all press about me would be good...

Press? It would be your so called fans who spread the bullshit speculating about you. In addition to the press.

And you'd "owe" them even after they treat you this way!





/jarmo

i still dont understand who Axl owes to...I've never claimed he has owed me anything, in fact i have really see anybody say that...when you build a mystique around yourself tongues are gonna wag...people lack info then people try to fill in the blanks for themselves...you wanna stop speculation? then talk about shit openly...you keep a ton of secrets? then people make up the truth

[Axlfreek]

How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.

well if i was rich and famous i'd be pretty niaeve to think all press about me would be good...

Press? It would be your so called fans who spread the bullshit speculating about you. In addition to the press.

And you'd "owe" them even after they treat you this way!





/jarmo

you reap what you sow.... this is what happens when you play with people hopes and trust for over 15 years. if fans react like this... it's from past experience.

If by past experience means me headbanging my head off at the columbus 2002 and cleveland 2006 shows, then the past has treated me pretty good.

[jarmo]

i still dont understand who Axl owes to...I've never claimed he has owed me anything, in fact i have really see anybody say that...when you build a mystique around yourself tongues are gonna wag...people lack info then people try to fill in the blanks for themselves...you wanna stop speculation? then talk about shit openly...you keep a ton of secrets? then people make up the truth

You haven't noticed how some feel like they're owed something because they've been fans for years and bought all the records?


Axl has been open about a lot of things and it's just not good enough for some. He gets called tall kinds of things when he says something.....



/jarmo

[sjgotnitro]

Well lets discuss the facts.

The promoters world wide are putting out statements the tour is cancelled.

No update form the band.

Tommy is hurt, how bad we do not know, obviously worst then first thought by promoters response.

Axl said in December the Album would be out as close to March 6th as possible.

Del said a month ago the album was in mixing.

We have heard nothing from the label.

I think it is time ?we get a full update that touches on all this subjects from the band.

Atleast lets hope soon anyway.

[GnR-NOW]

I've been reading the board all day and got lost in everything written. ?So GNR will not be at these SA shows. ?How does that affect Mexico and Australia, because when I first read the post this morning it said all 2007 shows are postponed ?