Madagascar

[Skinflick]

This was a recording from before the 2002 tour.....maybe even way before that. They used the end of that song as a clip to promote the boston show in 2002.

are you sure or just speculating?

Ssssspeculating.

If anyone has the promo like most of us do, just listen to it........I ain't speculating......I'll bet $ on it. RIGHT NOW!

These songs consist of different parts recorded over the years. Just because one part is from 02 doesn't mean the whole recording is.

I agree....that is the only part I was NOT speculating on......anyway, who gives a hot fuck.......It's gonna be an incredible experience to listen to the final version of this amazing song.

[polluxlm]

This was a recording from before the 2002 tour.....maybe even way before that. They used the end of that song as a clip to promote the boston show in 2002.

are you sure or just speculating?

Ssssspeculating.

If anyone has the promo like most of us do, just listen to it........I ain't speculating......I'll bet $ on it. RIGHT NOW!

These songs consist of different parts recorded over the years. Just because one part is from 02 doesn't mean the whole recording is.

I agree....that is the only part I was NOT speculating on......anyway, who gives a hot fuck.......It's gonna be an incredible experience to listen to the final version of this amazing song.

Damn straight, although I think this shit sounds all but finished enough

[Voodoochild]

Two points:

- Obvious Buckethead solo, like DCK and polluxlm said. It's kinda tiring how so many people are saying its Richard playing the solo just because he played it live - and guess what, it sounds close to this version. Of course, it's the same as what he did with NR and YCBM solos, he plays close to Slash's original version. But the sound, the licks and classic BH style are all there, on this demo. Still, people fail to see that.

- Yeah, it's not speculation - the 2002 promo has the exact same cut as the demo. I even made a comparative with the two snippets with an audio edit program. Of course, the Buckethead guitars (dunno about the solo) were recorded after 2002 for a fact, because he didn't play that way back then. Also, some Robin guitar work wasn't like that in 2002...

I wonder for how long people will still say otherwise.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

Two points:

- Obvious Buckethead solo, like DCK and polluxlm said. It's kinda tiring how so many people are saying its Richard playing the solo just because he played it live - and guess what, it sounds close to this version. Of course, it's the same as what he did with NR and YCBM solos, he plays close to Slash's original version. But the sound, the licks and classic BH style are all there, on this demo. Still, people fail to see that.

- Yeah, it's not speculation - the 2002 promo has the exact same cut as the demo. I even made a comparative with the two snippets with an audio edit program. Of course, the Buckethead guitars (dunno about the solo) were recorded after 2002 for a fact, because he didn't play that way back then. Also, some Robin guitar work wasn't like that in 2002...

I wonder for how long people will still say otherwise.

Good points. I think the basic track was laid down somewhere between '99 and '01, with other things recorded over it over the years. Axl's vocals I think are definately pre-2002. Like you said there's some guitar work on there that wasnt like how they played it in '02 and also the strings are different also. Buckmaster probably worked on it in '03. So everall its an old demo with some current parts and things on it.

[whiny]

- Yeah, it's not speculation - the 2002 promo has the exact same cut as the demo. I even made a comparative with the two snippets with an audio edit program.

thanx voodoo; nice research...

[Dont Try Me]

- Yeah, it's not speculation - the 2002 promo has the exact same cut as the demo. I even made a comparative with the two snippets with an audio edit program.

thanx voodoo; nice research...

it is no rocket science.... 

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

But HERE's the $32,000 question.

Is Axl's guitar on Maddy? 

[Voodoochild]

No.


Show me the money!

[Death Cube K]

Still, people fail to see that.

Because they are stupid

[KIKO2K6]

No.


Show me the money!

Who is your fuckin neggar ?!


Fortus comfirmed that is Bucket playing the Madagascar solo on the leak.

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But the sound, the licks and classic BH style are all there, on this demo. Still, people fail to see that.

I disagree. I'm not saying that Buckethead isn't playing the solo but I think that if he recorded 100 takes of it I'd expect 99 of them to be better than the one on the demo. The sound is there, the licks are typical - almost parody - BH but the solo has no feel. It's just flat, on-the-beat bullshit. It's absolutely not what I'd expect from Bucket. If it is him and it's the best version of the solo he recorded then I think it's a good thing he left the band, because I can't think of any BH recording before or since which is as soulless as that solo.

[Voodoochild]

No.


Show me the money!

Who is your fuckin neggar ?!

Hahaha, remember Patti Smith's "Rock N' Roll Nigger"..

Fortus comfirmed that is Bucket playing the Madagascar solo on the leak.

Really? Where?

I love when I'm right!!

But the sound, the licks and classic BH style are all there, on this demo. Still, people fail to see that.

I disagree. I'm not saying that Buckethead isn't playing the solo but I think that if he recorded 100 takes of it I'd expect 99 of them to be better than the one on the demo. The sound is there, the licks are typical - almost parody - BH but the solo has no feel. It's just flat, on-the-beat bullshit. It's absolutely not what I'd expect from Bucket. If it is him and it's the best version of the solo he recorded then I think it's a good thing he left the band, because I can't think of any BH recording before or since which is as soulless as that solo.

His 2002 version sounds a lot like this. More a background music to the quotes than a proper solo, like he did in RIR3.

But how can you disagree with me if you're not saying its not Bucket and if I didn't say anything about the quality of his solo? 

[KIKO2K6]

From iceman24 from mygnr


I wrote Richard about the guitar solo!


What I wrote:

>
> Hey,
>
> First of all, I know we shouldn't mail you about GN'R things. But
> there is something we have been discussing on mygnr.
> You have probably heard, that the song Madagascar leaked onto the
> internet.
> According to Ron, it's an old demo. That made us discussing if it is
> Buckethead or you playing the guitar solo during the quote-montage. I
> don't know if you are allowed to answer this question, but it would be
> cool if you could answer it;-)
>
> P.S. I tried to submit some pics to your site. But it said, I can't
> send them, because the mailfolder was allready full. Maybe you should
> tell your site administrator, that he should delete some mails;-) And
> by the way, the pic which is allready up from the Switzerland concert
> was also taken be me.
>
> Keep rockin'!
>
> Jari


His reply:

Hi Jari,
Thanks for writing. The solo on Madagascar that you heard is indeed Buckethead. Sorry about the mailbox being full, i have a ton of emails that i am trying to get to. It's gonna take a while. If you want to post the photos somewhere else and send me a link, i'd love to look at them.
thanks,
richard

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=92326&st=1095

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His 2002 version sounds a lot like this. More a background music to the quotes than a proper solo, like he did in RIR3.

But how can you disagree with me if you're not saying its not Bucket and if I didn't say anything about the quality of his solo? 

I disagree that it's "classic BH style," for the reasons I gave in my post. The live versions do follow the same general progression as the demo version, but every one of them was more nuanced and more interesting than the demo version. I think we agree that the solo uses very typical, standard BH licks so I ask you this; Is it in any way interesting to hear Buckethead playing standard BH licks in such a simple fashion over such a sparse arrangement?

It's pretty disappointing, isn't it?

[Voodoochild]

Hi Jari,
Thanks for writing. The solo on Madagascar that you heard is indeed Buckethead. Sorry about the mailbox being full, i have a ton of emails that i am trying to get to. It's gonna take a while. If you want to post the photos somewhere else and send me a link, i'd love to look at them.
thanks,
richard

Ta! Thank you, KIKO!!


That sums up it all. I wonder if people will still say otherwise..

I disagree that it's "classic BH style," for the reasons I gave in my post. The live versions do follow the same general progression as the demo version, but every one of them was more nuanced and more interesting than the demo version. I think we agree that the solo uses very typical, standard BH licks so I ask you this; Is it in any way interesting to hear Buckethead playing standard BH licks in such a simple fashion over such a sparse arrangement?

It's pretty disappointing, isn't it?

Not that much to me, but when I said "classic BH style" I was referring to his style of playing, not because its his usual quality. Kinda like the way he hit the strings with his pick and fingers in the fretboard.

[Smoking Guns]

Awesome!  I knew it had to bucket!

[bigbri]

Glad to hear that. Now, let's keep it.

[gunns1]

Glad to hear that. Now, let's keep it.

won't be kept for the simple fact that Richard doesn't get alot of solo chances, and this is his one major chance to shine, esp on an epic song like this, (out of all the new songs weve heard so far which will/might be on cd), and axl would rather give richard the credits then buckethead.

[bigbri]

Glad to hear that. Now, let's keep it.

won't be kept for the simple fact that Richard doesn't get alot of solo chances, and this is his one major chance to shine, esp on an epic song like this, (out of all the new songs weve heard so far which will/might be on cd), and axl would rather give richard the credits then buckethead.

Glad you know what Axl wants. I figure he just wants the best solo on there, whomever it might be. If he take a lesser solo just to give a current member the credit, that's bogus. Besides, we all figure Bucket came up with that solo, so even if Richard plays it, Bucket wrote it.

[grog mug]

ANYTHING BUCKETHEAD needs to stay on this album.  I've always thought his guitar melody with Axl's vocal range is PERFECT together.  Solo is great.