Madagascar

[Axl4Prez2004]

whats with all this epic stuff? sure estranged and nov. rain are great "epics," but are there any "epic" songs on Appetite? I would say no, and that album is ranked up there as one of the best rock albums ever made.  So for those of you looking for every song on CD to "epic," I personally hope it doesn't happen.  I want this album to kick my ass, not take me on an epic journey.  Sure a few "epics" will be nice, but not the whole album.

in fact, i would like to hear a few tracks that are the complete opposite of "epic." I would like a track or two that is completely stripped down and is SIMPLE!  And simple doesn't mean bad, it means 2 guitars, a bass, and drums, no super funky layering, just a normal song...acoustic even.

Who on this board expressed a desire to have every song be cut from the same mold as Nov. Rain and Estranged?  While they are great songs, they are pieces of the puzzle.  If you can't appreciate the variety of songs like Better, There Was a Time, IRS, The Blues, Catcher, Silkworms, Rhiad, CD itself, and Madagascar offer, you better listen a little harder.  Not one of these demos goes over or near the 8 or 9 minute mark. 

On a side note didn't you ever hear the bitching about the synth added in on the beginning of PC?  For me, it helps make the song, and apparently it was added on by one Mr. Rose.  I'm glad he did. 

I will agree with your point on a song like Breakdown, I'm not crazy about the outtro.  But...if you want to hear the song stripped down and dirty...here's a crazy idea...go to a show.   

PS:  you may just find yourself getting an ass-kicking on an epic journey!    

[Shoeboy517]

I like the epics when there is a purpose to the length.  Long for long's sake blows.  I'm not saying it should be more formulaic, I'm saying it should suck less.

[newgnr]

whats with all this epic stuff? sure estranged and nov. rain are great "epics," but are there any "epic" songs on Appetite? I would say no, and that album is ranked up there as one of the best rock albums ever made.? So for those of you looking for every song on CD to "epic," I personally hope it doesn't happen.? I want this album to kick my ass, not take me on an epic journey.? Sure a few "epics" will be nice, but not the whole album.

in fact, i would like to hear a few tracks that are the complete opposite of "epic." I would like a track or two that is completely stripped down and is SIMPLE!? And simple doesn't mean bad, it means 2 guitars, a bass, and drums, no super funky layering, just a normal song...acoustic even.

Who on this board expressed a desire to have every song be cut from the same mold as Nov. Rain and Estranged?? While they are great songs, they are pieces of the puzzle.? If you can't appreciate the variety of songs like Better, There Was a Time, IRS, The Blues, Catcher, Silkworms, Rhiad, CD itself, and Madagascar offer, you better listen a little harder.? Not one of these demos goes over or near the 8 or 9 minute mark.?

On a side note didn't you ever hear the bitching about the synth added in on the beginning of PC?? For me, it helps make the song, and apparently it was added on by one Mr. Rose.? I'm glad he did.?

I will agree with your point on a song like Breakdown, I'm not crazy about the outtro.? But...if you want to hear the song stripped down and dirty...here's a crazy idea...go to a show.? ?

PS:? you may just find yourself getting an ass-kicking on an epic journey!? ??

woah dude, did you even read my post? First of all, who said ANYTHING about Breakdown? Second, I didn't say anything about the length of a song and whether or not that determines if it is epic.  And third, You're the one who said the album would be "totally epic"

[uzisuicide2002]

I'm gonna stick my neck out on the line and date this as 1999.

Anyone else agree?

Listen to the 1999 TWAT demo and this.....I'm definitely gonna say 1999.

Yeah i think the demo is from 99 - 2000. It was very new at rio 3.

[uzisuicide2002]

I'm gonna stick my neck out on the line and date this as 1999.

Anyone else agree?

Listen to the 1999 TWAT demo and this.....I'm definitely gonna say 1999.

Yeah i think the demo is from 99 - 2000. It was very new at rio 3.

I think the demo CD was recorded in 2000. This song is great. I can't wait to hear the newer verson of it. 

[Axl4Prez2004]

woah dude, did you even read my post? First of all, who said ANYTHING about Breakdown? Second, I didn't say anything about the length of a song and whether or not that determines if it is epic.  And third, You're the one who said the album would be "totally epic"

1:  I was drawing a parallel.
2:  point taken.  however, definition of epic: "extending beyond the usual or ordinary, especially in size or scope. 
3:  a figure of speech.
 

[GNRfan2008]

whats with all this epic stuff? sure estranged and nov. rain are great "epics," but are there any "epic" songs on Appetite? I would say no, and that album is ranked up there as one of the best rock albums ever made.  So for those of you looking for every song on CD to "epic," I personally hope it doesn't happen.  I want this album to kick my ass, not take me on an epic journey.  Sure a few "epics" will be nice, but not the whole album.

in fact, i would like to hear a few tracks that are the complete opposite of "epic." I would like a track or two that is completely stripped down and is SIMPLE!  And simple doesn't mean bad, it means 2 guitars, a bass, and drums, no super funky layering, just a normal song...acoustic even.

TWAT is an epic, but I would say the ending kicks more ass than most of old GNR's songs. That solo kicks my ass every time I hear it! Unbelievable playing by Bucket. You can have epic and kickass in the same song. 

[Axl4Prez2004]

whats with all this epic stuff? sure estranged and nov. rain are great "epics," but are there any "epic" songs on Appetite? I would say no, and that album is ranked up there as one of the best rock albums ever made.  So for those of you looking for every song on CD to "epic," I personally hope it doesn't happen.  I want this album to kick my ass, not take me on an epic journey.  Sure a few "epics" will be nice, but not the whole album.

in fact, i would like to hear a few tracks that are the complete opposite of "epic." I would like a track or two that is completely stripped down and is SIMPLE!  And simple doesn't mean bad, it means 2 guitars, a bass, and drums, no super funky layering, just a normal song...acoustic even.

TWAT is an epic, but I would say the ending kicks more ass than most of old GNR's songs. That solo kicks my ass every time I hear it! Unbelievable playing by Bucket. You can have epic and kickass in the same song. 

^ I totally agree.  All the guitarists kick ass. 

[The Estranged MrFlashbax]

the leak sounds like some generic 80's metal singer is tryin to immitate axl's voice by making his voice raspy.

this could too easily be an april fools joke

[bigbri]

the leak sounds like some generic 80's metal singer is tryin to immitate axl's voice by making his voice raspy.

this could too easily be an april fools joke

It came out in March, genius.

[Bartlet]

"epics," but are there any "epic" songs on Appetite?

Yes, imho rocket queen qualifies. That depends on your definition, its not an exact science tho, defining an epic song. Unless you just think it means long.

[GNRfan2008]

"epics," but are there any "epic" songs on Appetite?

Yes, imho rocket queen qualifies. That depends on your definition, its not an exact science tho, defining an epic song. Unless you just think it means long.

I agree with you. RQ is an epic in my opinion. It's all about a huge change in tempo. An epic like November Rain starts slow and ends fast. RQ starts raunchy and turns sentimental, meanwhile the tempo starts pretty fast and winds up more like the "pop" style of Sweet Child O' Mine by the end of the song.

[kingoffspring]

needs more guitar! sounds really limp at the moment, but has the potential to be a good song i reckon.  Just not the way its being played in this demo

No man the guitar is fine the one thing this song is missing is cow bell.

[GNRfan2008]

needs more guitar! sounds really limp at the moment, but has the potential to be a good song i reckon.  Just not the way its being played in this demo

No man the guitar is fine the one thing this song is missing is cow bell.

As Axl would say about the wagon, "Where is that confounded cow bell?" More cow bell means bring on Adler! LOL.

[The Dog]

I tihnk it sounds awesome, but def unfinished and there are a few parts that are kinda lame.  all in all i can only see a final version being better which is great b/c this one is pretty solid as is.

[Ulises]

Old or not....is a ass-kickin' song!!!! Something that Velvet Revolver wouldn't never create...

And is a unfinished version....think when the finished version come out

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I'm gonna stick my neck out on the line and date this as 1999.

Anyone else agree?

Listen to the 1999 TWAT demo and this.....I'm definitely gonna say 1999.

I agree.  This sounds to me like an early demo of the song from 99 or 00, based on its sound compared to the current live version and based on the 99 versions of IRS and TWAT

[samoice]

one thing that says its unfinished?
theres no bumblefoot!

[Randy Jesus]

one thing that says its unfinished?
theres no bumblefoot!

You are right, it doesn't even have Buckethead on there.

[comaknight]

I really like the orchestration.  The synth orchestration audible on the last few shows' versions of The Blues has me wishing that song had leaked instead.