CD soon?

[phi_kai_phi]

I rarely come to this board after May 6th proved to be false.  I know it was tenetive and I'm not mad at Axl.... I've just waited too many years.  I still check up on the old board every once in a while, but quite frankly I think its time that I take "live my life" outside of GN'R a little further. 

To be honest, I don't care for talking about Axl's shoes or speculating about some random rumor.  I care about the music.  I want to hear, talk about, and love the music. 

I don't think CD is coming out soon.  Based on the history of the record, this lack of news means that jack shit is going to happen for some good amount of time.

Until I hear something official from the band again, I'm not interested.

[Bartlet]

I have never seen a Walmart in Australia....
We not major enough? You know be the largest island on this planet and all.....

Be think full you don't have a wal-mart..

I don't think Europe has Wal-Mart, or at least the UK doesn't. We don't want Wal-Mart, as we have Tesco, and Tesco are about to launch into the US, so Wal-Mart had better watch out, as Tesco wants to rule the world.

but we have asda, who are owned by walmart. and i think woolworths over here may have some conection to walmart, as they are connected in canada.

[gummyfish]

which explains why mostly crap is selling now a days....

Well, I aggree to an extent.? If people don't like what they buy at WalMart, it's not like they can't go elsewhere to find their music.? Especially now in the digital age.

I agree with that . But the fact that they are going to wal mart to buy music also is why most of the shit that sells is nothing but crap.

plus todays youth just has bad taste in music for the most part.

name one band that has came out with a descent album besides " Hell yeah "

Vains of Jenna. they are like AFD-era GN'R reincarnated. Fucking amazing.

[redx]

I have never seen a Walmart in Australia....
We not major enough? You know be the largest island on this planet and all.....

Be think full you don't have a wal-mart..

I don't think Europe has Wal-Mart, or at least the UK doesn't. We don't want Wal-Mart, as we have Tesco, and Tesco are about to launch into the US, so Wal-Mart had better watch out, as Tesco wants to rule the world.

but we have asda, who are owned by walmart. and i think woolworths over here may have some conection to walmart, as they are connected in canada.

Reports have shown Woolworths are doing very badly at the moment. They are struggling, and have become little more than a glorified corner shop, specializing in nothing in particular. A bit like WHSmiths really.

..and as for ASDA, well... ASDA makes Tesco's look impressive 

[absolutelytrue]

I have never seen a Walmart in Australia....
We not major enough? You know be the largest island on this planet and all.....

Be think full you don't have a wal-mart..

I don't think Europe has Wal-Mart, or at least the UK doesn't. We don't want Wal-Mart, as we have Tesco, and Tesco are about to launch into the US, so Wal-Mart had better watch out, as Tesco wants to rule the world.

but we have asda, who are owned by walmart. and i think woolworths over here may have some conection to walmart, as they are connected in canada.

Reports have shown Woolworths are doing very badly at the moment. They are struggling, and have become little more than a glorified corner shop, specializing in nothing in particular. A bit like WHSmiths really.

..and as for ASDA, well... ASDA makes Tesco's look impressive?

Woolworths has been doing badly for 20 years

[Voodoochild]

If my theory is right, they will finish the mixing and mastering by the end of April (before the South African dates), giving Uni 2 months to work on the proper promotion to a release in July. A single would be out in June.

Of course, it's just me trying to use a reasonable logic, something not so common with this band.

please bare in mind that for a major promotional strategy the record company needs all band members FREE of other music related chores: the band members are essential for the promotion, for example to give out interviews, pull off PR-events and stunts, so on and so forth. This is why you will not see the promotional cycle starting while the band is on tour, if the promotion is to follow regular music biz-sense and procedure.

Please base your theories on logical music business practice and logic next time. Im sorry.

erm...so a band has never done photos or given promo interviews while on tour...?

Exactly. Also, there's a gap between some dates, which they could use for this purpose.

I just fail to see why I need to base my theory in "logical music business practice" if I'm not an business expert (unlike A LOT of people here claims to be). Also, there IS logic behind my theory, as I didn't talk out of my ass. Still, I even warned how I *tried* to use reasonable logic.

[slane92]

I rarely come to this board after May 6th proved to be false.? I know it was tenetive and I'm not mad at Axl.... I've just waited too many years.? I still check up on the old board every once in a while, but quite frankly I think its time that I take "live my life" outside of GN'R a little further.?

To be honest, I don't care for talking about Axl's shoes or speculating about some random rumor.? I care about the music.? I want to hear, talk about, and love the music.?

I don't think CD is coming out soon.? Based on the history of the record, this lack of news means that jack shit is going to happen for some good amount of time.

Until I hear something official from the band again, I'm not interested.

Agree totally.

[ben9785]

If I can share my opinion on this issue also; Look, last year I was around these boards alot, checking up at work every few hours etc. I was getting very anxious as to the release of the album and what was going on especially when it came down to the 'x tuesdays left' thing with Merck. It got to a point where I was disappointed, not for any other reason than that I personally was really looking forward to the album coming out; nothing criticizing Axl, nothing criticizing Merck, or anybody else. All I wanted was one statement from Axl, and I got what I asked for and I was very happy.
I laid off the boards and went and listened to other bands and went on with life. March 6 came, no album, fair enough, it was only a tentative date after all, and it was the first time any official source had even set a date for the album, other than just spring 2000 or fall 2001 or whatever. But they did post an update on their website that all recording has been completed and mixing is under way (if not already complete). Obviously I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but my understand is that there are ALOT of legalities at the very least surrounding Axl and this album, considering all the contributions and co-writing credits etc, sparing any other legal details.
Barring the legal issues and other behind the scenes obstacles, I think the fact that recording being complete is a BIG achievement, after the years of sessions and contributors coming and going, the fact that all the recording is complete is a greater milestone than you could imagine right now. Sure, there is lack of information coming through, but without consideration of the current status of the mixing process, musically, the album is complete and could probably be set for schedule any time now.
The only thing that we don't know is what is holding it up, and as I said, I'm sure there are huge legal issues, and whatever other business matters that we won't know about because it doesn't involve us.

Look I admit even right now as I sit here, I wish we'd get some more updates about the album, and like every one else I hope sooner than later. But at the same time, there's nothing we can do about it but just sit and wait. Personally I'm ecstatic that they're going back on the road, and especially coming to Australia. And I'm sure everybody is going to get a chance to see them again. So we will enjoyt his, and the fact they are touring and they are not having any problems together. So the album will come when ready. As I said, obviously I hope sooner than later.. but no point getting angry because there's nothing we can do.

Sorry for the rant.

[Krispy Kreme]

I have never seen a Walmart in Australia....
We not major enough? You know be the largest island on this planet and all.....

You are more than an island, you are a continent. And you have no Walmart? I am amazed! NOt even in Sydney?

[oldgunsfan]

Just for the record, Wal*Mart is estimated to have roughly 25% of the American music buying market.

Haven't bought shit for music fromWalmart and I live in NYC

[BurningHills]

Yeah - this thread didn't get knocked off track or anything. 

[Sober_times]

I've pretty much conceded to the fact I may never see the album. I just now want to see them live again. Hopefully they'll come close to west texas this year and hopefully it'll be cheaper for me than those unlucky folks in Australia. Sure I would pay that much too see em, but i'd still be bitching about how much it costs. 

[Lethalis]

I've pretty much conceded to the fact I may never see the album.

[14 Years Estranged]

As much as I would love to walk into FYE or any media store and see some kind of advertisement saying that Chinese Democracy will be out within this decade, I still continue to have faith that the album will be out this year... regardless of the fact that I have been saying "It will be out within this year" this since 'Oh My God' popped up on the End Of Days soundtrack...

I can understand perfectly why it has taken Axl so long to release Chinese Democracy... and it has to do with the fact that we as a culture have a tendency to buy an album for no other incentive than for the 'few good songs' the album contains. The endemic problem as far as mainstream artists and their albums are concerned is that alot of artists today record an album containing possibly two or three singles that gain alot of rotation on TV & radio, while the remaining songs on the album are reduced to nothing more than filler.

If my perception on this subject is anywhere near correct, Axl wants Chinese Democracy to be an album you'd listen to in its entirity rather than skipping from one track to another. For someone who has spent fifteen years making this album his magnum opus, he wants Chinese Democracy to be appreciated in its entirity, rather just for its singles.

[GNRfan2008]

If I can share my opinion on this issue also; Look, last year I was around these boards alot, checking up at work every few hours etc. I was getting very anxious as to the release of the album and what was going on especially when it came down to the 'x tuesdays left' thing with Merck. It got to a point where I was disappointed, not for any other reason than that I personally was really looking forward to the album coming out; nothing criticizing Axl, nothing criticizing Merck, or anybody else. All I wanted was one statement from Axl, and I got what I asked for and I was very happy.
I laid off the boards and went and listened to other bands and went on with life. March 6 came, no album, fair enough, it was only a tentative date after all, and it was the first time any official source had even set a date for the album, other than just spring 2000 or fall 2001 or whatever. But they did post an update on their website that all recording has been completed and mixing is under way (if not already complete). Obviously I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but my understand is that there are ALOT of legalities at the very least surrounding Axl and this album, considering all the contributions and co-writing credits etc, sparing any other legal details.
Barring the legal issues and other behind the scenes obstacles, I think the fact that recording being complete is a BIG achievement, after the years of sessions and contributors coming and going, the fact that all the recording is complete is a greater milestone than you could imagine right now. Sure, there is lack of information coming through, but without consideration of the current status of the mixing process, musically, the album is complete and could probably be set for schedule any time now.
The only thing that we don't know is what is holding it up, and as I said, I'm sure there are huge legal issues, and whatever other business matters that we won't know about because it doesn't involve us.

Look I admit even right now as I sit here, I wish we'd get some more updates about the album, and like every one else I hope sooner than later. But at the same time, there's nothing we can do about it but just sit and wait. Personally I'm ecstatic that they're going back on the road, and especially coming to Australia. And I'm sure everybody is going to get a chance to see them again. So we will enjoyt his, and the fact they are touring and they are not having any problems together. So the album will come when ready. As I said, obviously I hope sooner than later.. but no point getting angry because there's nothing we can do.

Sorry for the rant.

Ben, I wonder what your thoughts on this are now today that shows have been canceled and the tour is postponed "indefinitely." Are you still so optimistic about them "going on the road"?

[give_it_a_rest]

CD soon?, change that in CD never

[downzy56]

As much as I would love to walk into FYE or any media store and see some kind of advertisement saying that Chinese Democracy will be out within this decade, I still continue to have faith that the album will be out this year... regardless of the fact that I have been saying "It will be out within this year" this since 'Oh My God' popped up on the End Of Days soundtrack...

I can understand perfectly why it has taken Axl so long to release Chinese Democracy... and it has to do with the fact that we as a culture have a tendency to buy an album for no other incentive than for the 'few good songs' the album contains. The endemic problem as far as mainstream artists and their albums are concerned is that alot of artists today record an album containing possibly two or three singles that gain alot of rotation on TV & radio, while the remaining songs on the album are reduced to nothing more than filler.

If my perception on this subject is anywhere near correct, Axl wants Chinese Democracy to be an album you'd listen to in its entirity rather than skipping from one track to another. For someone who has spent fifteen years making this album his magnum opus, he wants Chinese Democracy to be appreciated in its entirity, rather just for its singles.

While I think you're correct that Axl wants Chinese Democracy to be appreciated in its entirety, I hardly think that this is the reason why it has taken so long to produce an album.  The Beatles, Cream, Neil Young, Deep Purple and more artists back in the day were able to pump out albums that were solid from beginning to end (obviously, with a few exceptions) on a regular basis.  Look at Elton John: from 1969 to 1976 he released 11 albums, five of which (in a row, mind you) went to number on the charts.  To put that in perspective, that's the same amount of time between the release of "Oh My God" and last year - 2006. 

It doesn't take 10 years to write 12 decent songs if you've got the musical prowess of Axl Rose.  There's other reasons for the delay; reasons only members of the band could answer (though they choose not too is also very mysterious). 

Likewise, the phenomenon of artists writing two or three hits then filling the rest of the album with filler is nothing new.  Ozzy admits openly that on several Black Sabbath albums there was plenty of songs put together at the last second to fill the album (Paranoid was, at the time, deemed a filler song until it took off).  Granted it's far better to release an album that's solid from beginning to end and I do think a lot of artists consciously attempt to make a complete album. 

Cheers,

Andrew

[ppbebe]

I've pretty much conceded to the fact I may never see the album.

why not concede that you will see the album and more eventually, maybe soon?

[GNRfan2008]

As much as I would love to walk into FYE or any media store and see some kind of advertisement saying that Chinese Democracy will be out within this decade, I still continue to have faith that the album will be out this year... regardless of the fact that I have been saying "It will be out within this year" this since 'Oh My God' popped up on the End Of Days soundtrack...

I can understand perfectly why it has taken Axl so long to release Chinese Democracy... and it has to do with the fact that we as a culture have a tendency to buy an album for no other incentive than for the 'few good songs' the album contains. The endemic problem as far as mainstream artists and their albums are concerned is that alot of artists today record an album containing possibly two or three singles that gain alot of rotation on TV & radio, while the remaining songs on the album are reduced to nothing more than filler.

If my perception on this subject is anywhere near correct, Axl wants Chinese Democracy to be an album you'd listen to in its entirity rather than skipping from one track to another. For someone who has spent fifteen years making this album his magnum opus, he wants Chinese Democracy to be appreciated in its entirity, rather just for its singles.

While I think you're correct that Axl wants Chinese Democracy to be appreciated in its entirety, I hardly think that this is the reason why it has taken so long to produce an album.  The Beatles, Cream, Neil Young, Deep Purple and more artists back in the day were able to pump out albums that were solid from beginning to end (obviously, with a few exceptions) on a regular basis.  Look at Elton John: from 1969 to 1976 he released 11 albums, five of which (in a row, mind you) went to number on the charts.  To put that in perspective, that's the same amount of time between the release of "Oh My God" and last year - 2006. 

It doesn't take 10 years to write 12 decent songs if you've got the musical prowess of Axl Rose.  There's other reasons for the delay; reasons only members of the band could answer (though they choose not too is also very mysterious). 

Likewise, the phenomenon of artists writing two or three hits then filling the rest of the album with filler is nothing new.  Ozzy admits openly that on several Black Sabbath albums there was plenty of songs put together at the last second to fill the album (Paranoid was, at the time, deemed a filler song until it took off).  Granted it's far better to release an album that's solid from beginning to end and I do think a lot of artists consciously attempt to make a complete album. 

Cheers,

Andrew

Yeah well said. If Zeppelin could put out LZ1, LZ2, LZ3, and LZ4 (all are great from start to finish with no obvious filler) all within a span of 2 years, then the whole "trying to make a strong album from start to finish" excuse is complete nonsense.

Zeppelin 1 - 1969
Zeppelin 2 - 1969
Zeppelin 3 - 1970
Zeppelin 4 - 1971

There simply is no excuse for Axl when other bands have put out plenty of strong albums in small timeframes. The Beatles are probably the best example. From Rubber Soul through Abbey Road, that was a total of 5 great albums in a span of 4 years. One of those albums was a double album, so it was technically 6 albums is 4 years. There is no excuse for someone with Axl's talent to have taken so long.

[Danny]

There is no excuse for someone with Axl's talent to have taken so long.

Two words: Legal Issues