22 Killed in US school Shooting

[Dr. Blutarsky]

I dont think its gonna be like the Nightstalker / AC-DC connection.

[gunns1]

great , why dont we blame the world not being at peace because of gnr while we are at it,


a stupid thread that intends on building more anger/frustration/sadness/blame in the hearts and minds of people,

and should be ? ?LOCKED***
STRAIGHT AWAY

[badapple81]

I agree. This is a tragedy. No need for this thread at all. I don't want to read about it here.

[erose]

I think it's fair to discuss it or atleast recognize that GN'R are being draged into this terrible shit, if you don't want to, fine, just get the fuck out of the thread.

This VT thing this is a huge tragedy, but it has become a typical american phenomenon over thal last decade. The fact that this guy was a gn'r fan does only proove thart he was americanized in his ways and was aware of american culture. He knew exactly what he did so noone in their right mind can drop this on GN'R. I mean, no matter how far you twist and tweak Mr. Brownstone the song aint about killing people and teachers and fucked up shit like that.

To me the song is about kicking a habit.

[mrlee]

i dont see how in anyway mr brownstone can influence someone to go around blowing everyone away cause they were pissed off at the world.

Generally its always the parents of the criminals fault for bringing there child up wrongly.

[Skeletor]

I think there's a bigger step to attack someone pointing a gun at you than to attack someone who's unarmed.

And I if I'd had a gun back then I think I wouldn't be attacked at all.

The point is that with less guns around, it is more likely the attacker wouldn't have a gun either.

[Sin Cut]

I think there's a bigger step to attack someone pointing a gun at you than to attack someone who's unarmed.

And I if I'd had a gun back then I think I wouldn't be attacked at all.

The point is that with less guns around, it is more likely the attacker wouldn't have a gun either.

Then again if he got a legal one, he prolly would've gone throught the trouble to get an illegal gun.

[Grouse]

U cant compare other countries to the melting pot that is the United States though.


Most other countries dont have the gang,drug and racial problems the United States has.

You've got to be kidding me?, you actually think that other countries don't have those problems?

That's pretty ignorant if you ask me...

[Skeletor]

Then again if he got a legal one, he prolly would've gone throught the trouble to get an illegal gun.

In some cases, perhaps. But you can't dispute the fact that with less guns around, you are also less likely to be attacked with one.

I don't like the whole "it doesn't matter if they're legal or illegal, people will always get their hands on a gun". Yeah, maybe. But what's the point of putting a high price tag on a Ferrari then? People can always steal one You have to think about this on a bigger scale...

[vicente]

Guns N' Roses have become embroiled in the aftermath debate on the horrific shootings at the Virginia Tech in the US.

US website AOL News has printed two plays allegedly written by 23-year-old Korean student Cho Seung-Hui, who has been identified as the gunman at the Virginia Tech University massacre.

One of the plays, Mr Brownstone, appears to be named after a Guns N' Roses song.

The script of the play seems to borrow lyrical references from the Gun N' Roses song and tells of a crew of 17-year-olds who skip school to gamble at a casino and fantasize about killing their professor.

You can read the plays here.

The apparent association has lent a chilling resonance to the Guns N' Roses album, Appetite For Destruction, of which Mr Brownstone is taken from.

It is likely that sections of the US media may leap on this association with rock music, just as they did following the Columbine Shootings in 1999.

Then much was made of the fact that the students responsible, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, were Marilyn Manson fans.

This later turned out to be false - but Manson was still denounced and was forced to cancel his US tour under pressure from Christian protest groups.

Police say Cho killed at least 30 people and wounded 17 others before killing himself in Norris Hall, an engineering classroom building at Virginia Tech University, Monday.

It's also believed the student killed two other people earlier that day in a dormitory on campus.



Here's the play, if anyone wants to read it:
http://news.aol.com/virginia-tech-shootings/cho-seung-hui/_a/mr-brownstone-title-page/20070417141309990001


:: Vicente ::

[Randy Jesus]

A few days after one of the U.S.A.'s most tragic events, will the media try to put blame on GNR? I think they are going to start by the beginning of next week. The kid had really no good reason to kill those people. It seems like in the past that Bands are the first to take the blame rather than the real issues. Having the word "Guns" and having a play (taken out of context) created from a GNR song, I know that Bill O'Reilly is going to make it his mission.

[2112]

LOL = if they blame Guns N Roses

[D]

U cant? compare the US to places like Canada and smaller countries. I hear all the UK people on here bashing our Gun Laws, but how is your murder rates?

The guy in the Va Tech case got a gun 6 months ago.

Its not like he got a gun and the very same day did this.

Guns save lives. Sure they are responsible for some horrible acts, but I guarantee the crime rate would be double maybe triple if people didn't have guns of their own to protect themselves.

Blaming Gun Control for this is like blaming Rap for Don Imus.

When something like this happens, everyone has to be able to point a finger somewhere, as if this kind of shit happens everyday here.

I think people don't realize how many gun deaths gangs account for in this country. People try to make it out like every American is a gun toting lunatic ready to open fire on anyone who crosses their path and that's bullshit.

When i was 4 years old, this guy broke in on my mom while my dad was at work and tried to rape her, just luckily my dad came home at the right time, pulled his gun on the guy and called the police.? they arrested him and turns out, the guy had raped countless other women.
Had my dad not had a gun, that dude may have killed us all as there was no way my dad could've took him hand to hand.

So some of u need to slap a bandage on those bleeding hearts and use your heads and really think about what u are saying before acting like outlawing law abiding citizens to access guns is the answer. It's not.

while u are at it, outlaw knives, airplanes, hairspray cans, matches and gasoline. Maybe then u can sleep in bed at night without fear.

[D]

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[Skeletor]

while u are at it, outlaw knives, airplanes, hairspray cans, matches and gasoline. Maybe then u can sleep in bed at night without fear.

Very clever D. And while YOU are it, hand out Glocks to everyone once they turn seven years old, maybe they'll feel safer since they can properly protect themselves against any danger they might face. (PS. Also one extra grenade for every couple that gets married, for protecting the family.)

[freedom78]

I think GNR's off the hook:

The news is saying that he liked to play violent video games, "Counterstrike" in particular.  I don't know it, but it looks like a shooter game, so the media will latch onto that before GNR.

[CheapJon]

i haven't read it all, can someone sum up what GNR has to do with this?

[luciano]

The Virginia Tech Killer Cho Seung-Hui supposedly wrote a play named "Mr Brownstone".

He mentions Guns n' Roses on the play and also uses the full lyrics to the song.

You can see details (and read the whole play) here:

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

[D]

How smart do u have to be to get into creative writing classes?

His plays suck.

[LunsJail]

How smart do u have to be to get into creative writing classes?

His plays suck.

That actually shocked me as much as anything. I graduated from VT and am not proud that this guy made it into his fourth year as an English major.? This play has no narrative direction or cohesive plot at all.? It's like something a little kid or a mental defective would write. I realize this point is fairly unimportant considering the massive level of instability that we're talking about with this guy.? But, it was written kind of like a bad dream where you have scenes and random events that don't add up to anything. Also sucks that he mentioned GNR, I hope that aspect of it doesn't get blown out of proportion in the press.