Q magazine article

[thecheech28]

Could you enlighten me how is that any different? What else did Brain mean by saying that?

How is it different?


Well, for one, saying "this is GN'R's Led Zeppelin II" could mean many things. It could mean the band went in a different direction compared to the past efforts.

It might mean that many people won't see it as good as the classics, but it's still filled with great songs.....

Don't be this harsh when it comes to other bands? ? Maybe even Scott is allowed to have an opinion.

I'm not harsh, you brought GN'R into this.

Do I need to remind you that this is a GN'R message board?

Guess you still won't assume that you hate VR with a passion, although you have the right to feel that way. But it's tacky to run a site and express hatred against a band all the time. But it's your time.?

Hatred?

I just think Scott Weiland is an overrated fraud who says a lot of really stupid things. I also think he wouldn't have the guts to face Axl in real life.

Just like Matt "what's with the piano" Sorum who meets Axl in NYC and suddenly everything is cool.....

There's no hatred there. Just my opinion.

On a bigger scale?? ? Last time I checked AFD was one of the best albums of all time, among some other ones. BTW there is a difference when people, who know very little about an album, claim that it will be the best album of all time. I have a strange feeling that Scott was more involved in the making of Libertad than any of us in the making of Chinese Democracy. Therefore he knows more. And you know... saying that your favourite band's next record will be the best is stupid fanboy mentality. Doesn't matter if it's GN'R, VR, NIN whatever. You may know some songs off bootlegs but they can sound different on the album. Of course, you can have high expectations.

But when you released a bounch of albums, made a new one and you feel it's your best, and maybe an all-time classic, that's called self-confidence. Am I sure that Scott was right? I don't know. I'll wait with my final judgement until the album comes out. Then I'll decide. I'm not smart enough to bash him before I hear the album.

GN'R fans are comparing a GN'R album to another GN'R album.

That's normal.

Scott is comparing his new album to one of the most well known rock n' roll albums of all times.



Saying "this is our best album and the songs are the best we've ever written" is normal. 99% of the artists do that.


Only one Weiland says his album is as good as one of the greatest albums of all times.

I don't even think his band mates would agree with him.?


Oh, and how can this mediocre guy write songs as good as Jagger/Richards?

Did VR just evolve that much since the last album that now they're up there with them?



/jarmo

Im sorry jarmo what age are you, ill take a guess are you 12 cause you sound like a kid who wont share his sweet, and your meant to be control this site, no wonder every other gnr site out there slasgs the shit out of you and this board.

You made a point about about comparing gnr albums to each other, well why dont you bring up the point that 3/5 of vr helped create those albums???  It wasnt just mr Rose it was a real band back then, and considering axl still hasnt managed to release anything since those days i think this point is valid.

You say scott cant right like axl well i disagree with you on that one too, your making out this album is all scotts works and your forgetting the musicians who are fucking legends And the real gnr begind him creating the music, i know id be inspired to write something special that is up there with their music.

Im sorry but you sound like a jealous kid whose praying this album fails when it wont fail but you think chinese dem will be the greatest album of all time if its ever released, you see i think thats your problem you cant get over that fact that axl rose and his unknown band to the majority of the world cant seem to release anything in 15 odd years when vr are on their second album. And all we get from axls cover band is a few over produced leaks that is nowhere near the quality of the old stuff.  contraband was better than those leaks, at least they sounded real.

So because of what i just said your gonna delete my post and ban me well if you do youll have proved my point that you have a mentality of a 12 year old, much like axl with his inflated ego im thinking.  I thought you liked vr  guess i was wrong as you keep coming into the vr thread and insist on winding the vr fans up, its fucking pathetic.

As some other board member stated maybe you should just get rid of the vr thread and let the vr fans go elsewhere and you nygnr fans can concentrate on praying that this album will ever see the light of day.

I cant wait to see your reply and prove me wrong or if you just act like a spoilt kid that i think you are.

And have some fucking respect for the old gunners cause if it wasnt for them along with axl your precious board wouldnt even exist.

[jarmo]

Im sorry jarmo what age are you, ill take a guess are you 12 cause you sound like a kid who wont share his sweet, and your meant to be control this site, no wonder every other gnr site out there slasgs the shit out of you and this board.

Haha!

I'm 12? And those other boards are posting shit about me and this place? Like that's very mature....

You made a point about about comparing gnr albums to each other, well why dont you bring up the point that 3/5 of vr helped create those albums???  It wasnt just mr Rose it was a real band back then, and considering axl still hasnt managed to release anything since those days i think this point is valid.

I never discredited their songwriting for GN'R did I?

So you're saying if you took Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts and Brian Jones/Mick Taylor/Ron Wood together, you'll get something as good as the classic Stones albums?

You say scott cant right like axl well i disagree with you on that one too, your making out this album is all scotts works and your forgetting the musicians who are fucking legends And the real gnr begind him creating the music, i know id be inspired to write something special that is up there with their music.

No, you're assuming shit.

Duff and Slash aren't the real GN'R.

I'm biased? What kind of crap are you posting?

Im sorry but you sound like a jealous kid whose praying this album fails when it wont fail but you think chinese dem will be the greatest album of all time if its ever released, you see i think thats your problem you cant get over that fact that axl rose and his unknown band to the majority of the world cant seem to release anything in 15 odd years when vr are on their second album. And all we get from axls cover band is a few over produced leaks that is nowhere near the quality of the old stuff.  contraband was better than those leaks, at least they sounded real.

Jealous of what?

I'm confident that when GN'R chooses to release CD, it'll be better than anything Scott Weiland will ever manage to release.

You know why? Because I'm a GN'R fan.

I find Scott Weiland boring, unoriginal and mediocre.

Just like you'll never give GN'R a chance because you hate the fact that Slash isn't there, I'm not gonna praise Scott Weiland because I just don't think he's anything special.

So because of what i just said your gonna delete my post and ban me well if you do youll have proved my point that you have a mentality of a 12 year old, much like axl with his inflated ego im thinking.  I thought you liked vr  guess i was wrong as you keep coming into the vr thread and insist on winding the vr fans up, its fucking pathetic.

And what are you doing here then?

As some other board member stated maybe you should just get rid of the vr thread and let the vr fans go elsewhere and you nygnr fans can concentrate on praying that this album will ever see the light of day.

I cant wait to see your reply and prove me wrong or if you just act like a spoilt kid that i think you are.

First I'm jealous and now I'm spoiled? 

And have some fucking respect for the old gunners cause if it wasnt for them along with axl your precious board wouldnt even exist.

One more time: I never said anything about the former band members. They were part of what made GN'R the best band in the world.

Now, let's see you admitting that VR will never be as good as GN'R because they don't have the songwriting talents of Axl and Izzy.



I was talking about your beloved Scott the whole fucking time.

We do delete stupid posts from time to time, but yours is an excellent example of how you VR fans seem to forget that this isn't a VR forum where Scott is God.



/jarmo

[thecheech28]

Duff and Slash aren't the real GN'R.

I'm biased? What kind of crap are you posting

Ok you know everything Mr jarmo, at least you didnt just delete my post which i thought you would but please explain to me how the fuck you came up with that then duff and slash arent the real gnr?

Ive followed gnr since the start and your right i cant stick this so called gnr and as you can see ive only posted in the vr section, that comment above just shows how obsessed you must be with mr rose but you cant argue the fact mr rose hasnt been able to release shit with these guys guys that as you say arent the real gnr.

Im assuming you know your gnr history so i dont have to spout shit to you, but im guesseing that you think all the real guns music was all axl?

You must be right so mr rose told slash what notes to play for sweet child and jungle and every other fucking song they wrote.  I bet you would actually prefer it if this cover band released their re recorded afd?

Im no big scott fan, in fact i had never heard of him before vr as stp werent big in the uk, but i respect vr cause they are a fucking band and not just the hired help.  Fact is these guys are a gang having fun doing what they do  whereas mr rose cant release an album in 15 years, theres no fucking excuse for that.

I wouldnt even have started posting here until i started reading your bullshit slagging vr when someone in your position should take your own advice that if youve got nothing positive to say then dont say anything, if i had went into the main section and started ripping into your precious cover band thats out making money off the real gunners work youd have me band, so what gives you the right coming in here ripping our favourite band.

Should we all just have the same mentality as you that axl is god and everything else is shit?

and oh right slash and duff arent real gunners, please explain what you mean by this cause youve lost me there, youd probably say that about izzy if he hadnt guested last year.

ill give axls solo project a chance if he releases an album, and not living off something that is 20 years old like a hasbeen until then they are just a cover band and a second rate one at that, cause ill tell you this mate, this lot will never be guns n fucking roses, they died when mr rose fucked the whole thing up with his ego.

Well at least i know im definately getting a new album of music from my favourite band in june, whens your favourite bands album out??  Oh that right nobody knows does it even exist? who knows, is it been in the making so long its gonna sound stale and dated, yes i think it probably is, the best albums are made on the spur of the moment like afd.  If this chin dem was any good it would have been out years ago.

Oh and by the way are you gonna get libertad, but more importantly will you give it a chance or just listen to it determined to hate it even if its something special.

Ill get chi dem and give it a chance but i wont get that chance until its released.

One more question why do you come in here and rip into this band?  As an admin i expect more from you because your are acting like a child.  And you should check out the other gnr/vr sites out too, there admins know how to run a board properly.

[Africa]

It's sad that these extremely bitter people refuse to acknowledge Axl as they blame him for their heroes giving up and quitting the greatest band in music history. Sad.

[Grouse]

ever heard of pm's guys? 

Falcon mind me asking why you're not locking this thread?...

This pathetic bickering is only gonna get worse anyway...

[thecheech28]

It's sad that these extremely bitter people refuse to acknowledge Axl as they blame him for their heroes giving up and quitting the greatest band in music history. Sad.

Id read up on your history pal if the old guns had their way wed have a good few more albums out of gnr than the big fat 0 you still got, but your right axl rose is totally blameless in the break up isnt he?

Check your fucking history

[thecheech28]

And who started the bickering none other than the owner of this site, this thread was about vr so why is the owner coming in and goading vr fans, if you notice this isnt the fucking gnr thread is it.

[Africa]

Woah, slow down with the bitterness there, I'm a fan for 17 years so no need to be all preachy
But I can see you guys take offense and want the thread closed as soon as you garbage minded Axl haters get your bitter feelings hurt. Don't take it out on real Guns N' Roses fans that we will see an enormous pay-off whereas your washed-up, quitting loser heroes will deliver another mediocre album.

[thecheech28]

so whens it getting released then, vr will let their music do the talking, whereas you still be sitting here waiting  and waiting and waiting, some of us gave up waiting years ago and got on with our lives by all means you keep waiting, and i am a real gnr fan im a real big fan of all the music they released in the 80s and 90s when they had some balls to release albums.  you call me bitter i just dont like you lot that come in the vr section ripping them just cause theres no news on your precious band.  Do you see me in the gnr section at all never mind trying to wind people up?

[thecheech28]

And at least the ex gunners arent living off the past like mr rose, so whos the one thats washed up?

[Africa]

What the fuck? Axl is making new material with a new band, how is that living off of the past?
Oh, the name thing? Are you mad that your heroes gave up and quit Guns N' Roses? They left the band, quit, gave up, they are no longer in Guns N' Roses. Hurts, doesn't it?

[Grouse]

Woah, slow down with the bitterness there, I'm a fan for 17 years so no need to be all preachy
But I can see you guys take offense and want the thread closed as soon as you garbage minded Axl haters get your bitter feelings hurt. Don't take it out on real Guns N' Roses fans that we will see an enormous pay-off whereas your washed-up, quitting loser heroes will deliver another mediocre album.

I'm the one that's asking for the thread to be closed/deleted and I'm not an axl hater, go figure?

[Wooody]

yet another thread hijacked by jarmo and his hate for velvet revolver.

Hysterical.

[Africa]

Jarmo runs a GN'R board, he could remove the fucking VR section and ban all their fans if he wanted to. Be grateful there even is a VR section, this is Jarmo's board he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. If you don't like it, stay out and go find a VR board. Oh right, none of them even come remotely close in size.

[Wooody]

Jarmo runs a GN'R board, he could remove the fucking VR section and ban all their fans if he wanted to. Be grateful there even is a VR section, this is Jarmo's board he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. If you don't like it, stay out and go find a VR board. Oh right, none of them even come remotely close in size.

I don't even like velvet revolver, however I disapprove of Jarmo's behaviour. As pointed out, it is childish.
Either have another moderator run this section of the board or close the section altogether, this is getting ridiculous.

[Africa]

What is ridicilous is these idiots who sign up at a Guns N' Roses board just to talk about VR, which has fuck all to do with Guns N' Roses.

[Wooody]

What is ridicilous is these idiots who sign up at a Guns N' Roses board just to talk about VR, which has fuck all to do with Guns N' Roses.

There will always be haters, but I dont think its ok for a moderator to become one.

[Africa]

How is Jarmo a hater?
Posting his opinion and explaining why he feels this way is hating now?
Besides, even if he was a hater, it's his fucking board and it's about Guns N' Roses, not VR. Case closed. I'm sick of having to see a VR section on a Guns N' Roses board.

[Africa]

Btw, thecheech, your bias is obvious. You say "VR is a band, not just hired help". Guns ain't a real band now that your hero has quit on it or what?

[Wooody]

How is Jarmo a hater?
Posting his opinion and explaining why he feels this way is hating now?
Besides, even if he was a hater, it's his fucking board and it's about Guns N' Roses, not VR. Case closed. I'm sick of having to see a VR section on a Guns N' Roses board.

C'mon how many times have I heard Jarmo say how scott weiland is mediocre and this and that? It is his board, but why not just ?let it go? He's puncturing his own liver here ?

Btw It is only normal to have a VR section on a GNR board, but if it bothers you that much then don't come here, I hardly ever do , only when Im extremely bored as I am right now ?