TWAT Discussion - your opinions

[CheapJon]

As much as i want bumble on the cd, bucket needs to stay on TWAT....no doubt about it. I'm quite happy with bumble re-doing buckets solos on better, IRS etc. But bucket MAKES this song.

Have you listend 2 TWAT from madrid? bbf can IMO handle the solo great

Im almost certain it was Paul Buckmaster and not Marco who said TWAT was not "forgetable," but "weak" or something along thoses lines, in comparison to "Seven" or "Prostitute."

I thought Prostitute was a kick ass rocker.. why would they use composers like buckmaster on a rocker or am i wrong and P isn't a rocker?  hope u get what i mean

[whiny]

As much as i want bumble on the cd, bucket needs to stay on TWAT....no doubt about it. I'm quite happy with bumble re-doing buckets solos on better, IRS etc. But bucket MAKES this song.

Have you listend 2 TWAT from madrid? bbf can IMO handle the solo great

Im almost certain it was Paul Buckmaster and not Marco who said TWAT was not "forgetable," but "weak" or something along thoses lines, in comparison to "Seven" or "Prostitute."

I thought Prostitute was a kick ass rocker.. why would they use composers like buckmaster on a rocker or am i wrong and P isn't a rocker?? hope u get what i mean

it's said to be "fire and ice"; so on some parts (fire? ice?) you can have orchestration...

[CheapJon]

As much as i want bumble on the cd, bucket needs to stay on TWAT....no doubt about it. I'm quite happy with bumble re-doing buckets solos on better, IRS etc. But bucket MAKES this song.

Have you listend 2 TWAT from madrid? bbf can IMO handle the solo great

Im almost certain it was Paul Buckmaster and not Marco who said TWAT was not "forgetable," but "weak" or something along thoses lines, in comparison to "Seven" or "Prostitute."

I thought Prostitute was a kick ass rocker.. why would they use composers like buckmaster on a rocker or am i wrong and P isn't a rocker?? hope u get what i mean

it's said to be "fire and ice"; so on some parts (fire? ice?) you can have orchestration...

oh yeah totally forgot about that quote, and yeah you're probably right, but damn i hoped for a kickass rocker since most of the songs yet is fairly slow and i wanna headbang and scream out the lyrics  

[Jimmy?]

As much as i want bumble on the cd, bucket needs to stay on TWAT....no doubt about it. I'm quite happy with bumble re-doing buckets solos on better, IRS etc. But bucket MAKES this song.

Have you listend 2 TWAT from madrid? bbf can IMO handle the solo great

Im almost certain it was Paul Buckmaster and not Marco who said TWAT was not "forgetable," but "weak" or something along thoses lines, in comparison to "Seven" or "Prostitute."

I thought Prostitute was a kick ass rocker.. why would they use composers like buckmaster on a rocker or am i wrong and P isn't a rocker?  hope u get what i mean

I know he can handle it but why would he re-record buckets part note for note? Bumble wouldn't do that anyway. It's gonna sound so much different, especially with the pinnacle of this song being the guitar solo. I just think that with the leaks it's gonna be hard to imagine anyone else playing the guitar parts because many of us have got so used to them.

Damn them leaks

Damn me being a DMF

[DarkFairy]

I'm on the fence when it comes to TWAT..

There's some parts I like, but then some parts sound almost country-like to me... Not that there's anything wrong with that either (yeah I said it) but... it's left me with no impression, you know?

Dunno.. 'Better' freaked me out at first too (especially Axl's voice in the beginning of the song)  but now it's my favorite of all the new songs  Maybe it just takes a while, you know, with some songs since it's 'not what I'm used to'.

[gunns1]

YEH , all the new songs take a while to grow on you , but I loved catcher from the very start.

Chinese democracy,
Irs,
took the longest to grow on me

But twat, is bar none, the best fucking song together with better. Its a shame though, because it wont get alot of radio play (caus of the length), and yet
if you cut down the song to 3-4 minutes, all you are getting is the verse, and a bit of a solo. So perhaps, it will be on chinese democracy, regardless of the speculation it wont, because Twat with some raspy Axl lyrics would fucking kill it .

[justynius]

Im almost certain it was Paul Buckmaster and not Marco who said TWAT was not "forgetable," but "weak" or something along thoses lines, in comparison to "Seven" or "Prostitute."

Here's the exact quote. Keep in mind these are coming from Sp1at - a fan site, not a professional news publication. So these quotes are to be taken with a grain of salt.....

http://www.sp1at.com/item.php?id=575

'TWAT', an acronym for 'There Was a Time', was not regarded as a memorable song by Paul Buckmaster, but it is a song that is personal to Axl, so is likely to feature on the new album.

And about 'Prostitute'....

'Prostitute' is likely to feature as one of the strongest tracks on the new Guns n'roses album. Although the roots of the song go back to the late 1990's, the meat of the song was actually only recorded in the last two-three years. Paul Buckmaster who did orchestration for the song told us "Prostitute is a mid-up, kind of biting, aggressive rhythm section; the way I wrote for the string section (32-piece, consisting of ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos) gives the song another dimension of, ice and fire, kind of powerful". Buckmaster also told us that 'Prostitute' was a 3-5 minute song

My personal opinion is that the first 2 min, 30 sec of TWAT are mediocre and the final 4 min are pretty much the best that rock music can hope to offer.

[whiny]

Im almost certain it was Paul Buckmaster and not Marco who said TWAT was not "forgetable," but "weak" or something along thoses lines, in comparison to "Seven" or "Prostitute."

Here's the exact quote. Keep in mind these are coming from Sp1at - a fan site, not a professional news publication. So these quotes are to be taken with a grain of salt.....

http://www.sp1at.com/item.php?id=575

'TWAT', an acronym for 'There Was a Time', was not regarded as a memorable song by Paul Buckmaster, but it is a song that is personal to Axl, so is likely to feature on the new album.

And about 'Prostitute'....

'Prostitute' is likely to feature as one of the strongest tracks on the new Guns n'roses album. Although the roots of the song go back to the late 1990's, the meat of the song was actually only recorded in the last two-three years. Paul Buckmaster who did orchestration for the song told us "Prostitute is a mid-up, kind of biting, aggressive rhythm section; the way I wrote for the string section (32-piece, consisting of ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos) gives the song another dimension of, ice and fire, kind of powerful". Buckmaster also told us that 'Prostitute' was a 3-5 minute song

My personal opinion is that the first 2 min, 30 sec of TWAT are mediocre and the final 4 min are pretty much the best that rock music can hope to offer.

thanx.

[Skunk]

I think the "fire and ice" quote was just a way to express the orchestration and the rhythm section of the songs kind of offsetting eachother and offering sort of a double impact, opposing dueling sounds that add to the power of the song.


And TWAT has never been my favorite of the new songs, but i have a lot of respect for it and think a studio version could be out of this world. Does anyone have a link to a good live performance? i'd like to hear bumble on it.

[gmGnR]

Interesting to see how people like different parts of the songs more than others...  For me, it's the way that Axl sings it that does it. Then you got that kinda slow & endless guitar slow that just sticks in your head. Love the song!

I went through about 15 pages of comments but didn't find the lyrics. Did anyone post his/her version of the lyrics? Thanks

[monkeychow]

I went through about 15 pages of comments but didn't find the lyrics. Did anyone post his/her version of the lyrics? Thanks

Theres a thread on it here:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=25673.0

[gmGnR]

I went through about 15 pages of comments but didn't find the lyrics. Did anyone post his/her version of the lyrics? Thanks

Theres a thread on it here:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=25673.0

Thanks

[TAP]

Listening to it on autorepeat tonight. Might be the best song ever written, though I might be drunk too 

[DoctorNo]

I really love the first half of this song. I love the second half, too, but only as a coda to the first half. Without that context, it's a fairly repetitive (if well played) two or three minutes of wailing. Taken as a whole, the song builds nicely to a sustained climax.

The verse lyrics are haunting and evocative. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. But I especially enjoy the refrain, and I'm not sure why so many dislike it. It's the funkiest departure in any Guns epic. I think it's a nice - no, necessary - counterpoint to the drum & synth loop, similar to the way the guitar & drums crash down upon the synth in "Won't Get Fooled Again." It's a visceral evocation of the anger and frustration one can feel while trapped inside a stagnant relationship (romantic or otherwise), hypocritical society, or life in general - here expressed by the underlying loop - and I think that musical contrast syncs well with lyrical themes of the song.

The refrain really gives the song a kick, and keeps it from being pedestrian and predictable. "Predictable" is one quality the band is not in these new songs. Take out the refrain, or smooth it out, and I feel the song loses an important quality.

[Jimmy?]

I really love the first half of this song. I love the second half, too, but only as a coda to the first half. Without that context, it's a fairly repetitive (if well played) two or three minutes of wailing. Taken as a whole, the song builds nicely to a sustained climax.

The verse lyrics are haunting and evocative. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. But I especially enjoy the refrain, and I'm not sure why so many dislike it. It's the funkiest departure in any Guns epic. I think it's a nice - no, necessary - counterpoint to the drum & synth loop, similar to the way the guitar & drums crash down upon the synth in "Won't Get Fooled Again." It's a visceral evocation of the anger and frustration one can feel while trapped inside a stagnant relationship (romantic or otherwise), hypocritical society, or life in general - here expressed by the underlying loop - and I think that musical contrast syncs well with lyrical themes of the song.

The refrain really gives the song a kick, and keeps it from being pedestrian and predictable. "Predictable" is one quality the band is not in these new songs. Take out the refrain, or smooth it out, and I feel the song loses an important quality.

Took the words right outta my mouth 

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

Totallly in love with this song right now.

[Gunner17]

I like this song so much more than any other leaks. Yes, "Better" included.

[Ganja4Life]

I like this song so much more than any other leaks. Yes, "Better" included.

same here

[icpillusions]

I like this song so much more than any other leaks. Yes, "Better" included.

same here

Definately. The version with Bucket owns. 

[Ganja4Life]

I like this song so much more than any other leaks. Yes, "Better" included.

same here

Definately. The version with Bucket owns.?

theres another version