Last bit of waiting finally over soon??

[polluxlm]

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me so many times I can't count them, it's just a shame.

...you're a gn'r fan.

[Africa]

Thanks EazyDuz.. ?


2002 soon wasnt the word.. but now i have a feeling that word is about to smack us in the backhead..

All this recent activity just reinforces the question in my mind: what the fuck was 2002 about? and why did they do it? I can see no earthly reason.

Axl himself explained that in the Eddie Trunk interview in May, they were more or less pressured into touring in 2002, unlike in 2006, which is why they felt way more comfortable doing it in 2006, when they had evolved more as a band.

[grog mug]

2002 was the greatest year of GN'R, lineup and tour wise. ?Maybe this year will change everyones mind, including mine and make it the best in GN'R's history.

[polluxlm]

you cant relate everything to 2002 if you want.. but because plans have changed in the past, doesnt make them change this time around..
im not saying IT IS comming now, but im saying i really belive it is comming soon. Anyway, we wont se a tracklist before the promotion or the
mixing is done.. thats the same way with every album...

It's the rule of probability, not certainty. In this case we're looking at a high probability chance of plans changing. You may believe it's coming soon, but there's not much evidence backing that notion besides pure faith.

VR is done recording, we know the tracklist.

[Lucky]

with a little bit of luck, Bach will do some talking when this tour starts.
he's been a great source for info!

[Africa]

you cant relate everything to 2002 if you want.. but because plans have changed in the past, doesnt make them change this time around..
im not saying IT IS comming now, but im saying i really belive it is comming soon. Anyway, we wont se a tracklist before the promotion or the
mixing is done.. thats the same way with every album...

It's the rule of probability, not certainty. In this case we're looking at a high probability chance of plans changing. You may believe it's coming soon, but there's not much evidence backing that notion besides pure faith.

VR is done recording, we know the tracklist.

Good for VR, that's got nothing whatsoever to do with GN'R.

[Nytunz]

you cant relate everything to 2002 if you want.. but because plans have changed in the past, doesnt make them change this time around..
im not saying IT IS comming now, but im saying i really belive it is comming soon. Anyway, we wont se a tracklist before the promotion or the
mixing is done.. thats the same way with every album...

It's the rule of probability, not certainty. In this case we're looking at a high probability chance of plans changing. You may believe it's coming soon, but there's not much evidence backing that notion besides pure faith.

VR is done recording, we know the tracklist.

i see the tour comming soon, as a good enough evidence for the album coming out.. you have to put all the parts together to see the picture...
Recording Done + Currently Mixing + World Tour in the plans + quality leek of better = Evidenve enough for me..

[polluxlm]

you cant relate everything to 2002 if you want.. but because plans have changed in the past, doesnt make them change this time around..
im not saying IT IS comming now, but im saying i really belive it is comming soon. Anyway, we wont se a tracklist before the promotion or the
mixing is done.. thats the same way with every album...

It's the rule of probability, not certainty. In this case we're looking at a high probability chance of plans changing. You may believe it's coming soon, but there's not much evidence backing that notion besides pure faith.

VR is done recording, we know the tracklist.

Good for VR, that's got nothing whatsoever to do with GN'R.

No, apparently nothing got anything to do with GN'R. They're (he) simply a seperate entity breaking all the rules.

There's no reason to not reveal simple details about the project if it's indeed close to being released, even Axl does this when he can. Since it's not happening, well....

[polluxlm]

i see the tour comming soon, as a good enough evidence for the album coming out.. you have to put all the parts together to see the picture...
Recording Done + Currently Mixing + World Tour in the plans + quality leek of better = Evidenve enough for me..

There was a tour coming in 01, 02, 04 and 06 too.

Recording done, we've heard that before. No telling how credible it is. Recording is only done until Axl decides it's not done after all.

Mixing's been done before, nothing new there.

We've had leaks before, just because we have a 'better' version doesn't mean it's finished.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

i see the tour comming soon, as a good enough evidence for the album coming out.. you have to put all the parts together to see the picture...
Recording Done + Currently Mixing + World Tour in the plans + quality leek of better = Evidenve enough for me..

There was a tour coming in 01, 02, 04 and 06 too.

Recording done, we've heard that before. No telling how credible it is. Recording is only done until Axl decides it's not done after all.

Mixing's been done before, nothing new there.

We've had leaks before, just because we have a 'better' version doesn't mean it's finished.

For the record, we have never had an official announcement about mixing before now.

[Ax]

I don't want to be negative and would rather believe that we are about to get the long promised "storm," but I'm not holding my breath.

The reason for my negative attitude is that I have read posts exactly like the one that started this thread in 1999, 2002, 2004 and again in 2006. I always laugh when I think about what I would have said if someone had told me in 1999 that we'd be sitting here in 2007 still without an album.

[polluxlm]

i see the tour comming soon, as a good enough evidence for the album coming out.. you have to put all the parts together to see the picture...
Recording Done + Currently Mixing + World Tour in the plans + quality leek of better = Evidenve enough for me..

There was a tour coming in 01, 02, 04 and 06 too.

Recording done, we've heard that before. No telling how credible it is. Recording is only done until Axl decides it's not done after all.

Mixing's been done before, nothing new there.

We've had leaks before, just because we have a 'better' version doesn't mean it's finished.

For the record, we have never had an official announcement about mixing before now.

We've never had alot of things. In reality it doesn't have to be more than another link in an endless chain being put in place.

If things are so close, where are the circumstantial evidence? Only thing we know is that they might be in the studio trying to finish something. It shouldn't take long, but it shouldn't have taken a decade either.

[Nytunz]

i see the tour comming soon, as a good enough evidence for the album coming out.. you have to put all the parts together to see the picture...
Recording Done + Currently Mixing + World Tour in the plans + quality leek of better = Evidenve enough for me..

There was a tour coming in 01, 02, 04 and 06 too.

Recording done, we've heard that before. No telling how credible it is. Recording is only done until Axl decides it's not done after all.

Mixing's been done before, nothing new there.

We've had leaks before, just because we have a 'better' version doesn't mean it's finished.

Have the official website said the recording is done before? Have the official website said that thay are currently mixing the album?
Have Axl been given an exact tentative releasedate before? I know that got delayed, but in the letter Axl said that it could be...
On the current tour we heard new songs played live... .. alot have changed since 02.. and if you can add 1 + 1 you see that..

GnR dont need to release an album just because they tour.. in 2001 and 2002 he just wanted the guys in the band to get out and
play... To have expirience with the playing in GnR... In 2006, the plan was to release the album while touring... But we know there was some
shit happening with the managment and the band... Shit happens.. But because that happend back then.. does not mean the album cant come
out this time.. Axl canceled 4 dates in january to finish up the album... .. and now we see new Tour dates.. They wouldent set up new tour dates
if the album wouldent be done.. they would do some more work on it... and cancel the dates...

[Randy Jesus]

It would be funny if they announced the album in asia. Ever think about that?

[Nytunz]

i see the tour comming soon, as a good enough evidence for the album coming out.. you have to put all the parts together to see the picture...
Recording Done + Currently Mixing + World Tour in the plans + quality leek of better = Evidenve enough for me..

There was a tour coming in 01, 02, 04 and 06 too.

Recording done, we've heard that before. No telling how credible it is. Recording is only done until Axl decides it's not done after all.

Mixing's been done before, nothing new there.

We've had leaks before, just because we have a 'better' version doesn't mean it's finished.

For the record, we have never had an official announcement about mixing before now.

We've never had alot of things. In reality it doesn't have to be more than another link in an endless chain being put in place.

If things are so close, where are the circumstantial evidence? Only thing we know is that they might be in the studio trying to finish something. It shouldn't take long, but it shouldn't have taken a decade either.

i have never said we had any evidence, i said it was evidence enough for me.. ?And that i dont see a reason to be negative about things right now...

[Lucky]

I don't want to be negative and would rather believe that we are about to get the long promised "storm," but I'm not holding my breath.

The reason for my negative attitude is that I have read posts exactly like the one that started this thread in 1999, 2002, 2004 and again in 2006. I always laugh when I think about what I would have said if someone had told me in 1999 that we'd be sitting here in 2007 still without an album.

I'd probably call him a hater, and bash the crap out of him.

[polluxlm]

Have the official website said the recording is done before? Have the official website said that thay are currently mixing the album?
Have Axl been given an exact tentative releasedate before? I know that got delayed, but in the letter Axl said that it could be...
On the current tour we heard new songs played live... .. alot have changed since 02.. and if you can add 1 + 1 you see that..

Yes, in 2002 the official website stated that recording was done. And the 'fact' that they're mixing and giving out tentative dates doesn't mean much, it's all been stated before by sources close to the band, Rolling Stones 21st of November was one of those tentative dates. Only difference is as you say 'it being on the site'. Well, when previous options have been used the tend to new ones. Next thing we'll hear is that mixing is done, but that negotiations are slowing things down.

GnR dont need to release an album just because they tour.. in 2001 and 2002 he just wanted the guys in the band to get out and
play... To have expirience with the playing in GnR... In 2006, the plan was to release the album while touring... But we know there was some
shit happening with the managment and the band... Shit happens.. But because that happend back then.. does not mean the album cant come
out this time.. Axl canceled 4 dates in january to finish up the album... .. and now we see new Tour dates.. They wouldent set up new tour dates
if the album wouldent be done.. they would do some more work on it... and cancel the dates...

Funny that the reason for touring in 2002 was to get the guys out there, but what do you know, last year Axl said he was forced to tour. Which one is it?

And there might have been some shit going on with management last year, although I'm leaning towards that being mostly in Axls mind. We all know the real reason the album didn't get released last year, it wasn't finished! It's only so much a manager can do you know.

[Howard2k]

It would be funny if they announced the album in asia. Ever think about that?

On that note, I tend to think it's unlikely they'll release Chi Dem and then leave North America for 6 months and let it stagnate.

I think that the overseas tours indicate that the CD is not imminent.   But maybe we'll see the release towards the end of the overseas tours. 

[FunkyMonkey]

with a little bit of luck, Bach will do some talking when this tour starts.
he's been a great source for info!

I agree that Bach was a good source of info., but he has his own Japanese tour dates June 1-5 so I'm not so sure he will be along on this one.

[Nytunz]

a summer release would be awsome... when they have played the dates in Japan, South Africa, South America and Australia..

  For that one