"Better" - discuss it in this thread

[Nytunz]

No man, of course its not Robin. It's still Axl, there's no backing vocal in any part of the demos. Buy better speakers or a proper headphone.

This is Robin singing -

http://rapidshare.com/files/18442847/Robin.mp3.html

I'm sorry you can't tell the difference between Robin's voice and Axl's voice.

well, this is not Axl, could be Pitman, but im positiv its Robin

Have you been a Gunners fan for long?


 

15 - 16 long ears.. aahh.. years..

Then how can u say this is not Axl singing?


 

Coz i dont belive it sounds like Axl.. the part where he goes.. growl at the end.. never heard Axl do that..
i do belive its Robin. But GOD, if it should turn down to be Axl, am fine with that.. i just dont make it fith..

uhh.. its the better course we are talking about right?

[DunkinDave]

Can you tell me why Axl sing the chorus in the live performances then??

Robin's a shitty singer live?

It's funny how at Download Izzy jumped in on Nightrain with the backing vocals and the other guys are like "oh, we can do that?".

[AdZ]

Sorry what?

The whole band sings backing vocals all the time.

For instance, see KOHD.

[Rusmurf]

98 Rock in Balt/DC played it a few days ago, and I just missed it. I heard callers afterward saying they liked it.

I really loved the version I heard at the concert couple months ago.

[Voodoochild]

Can you tell me why Axl sing the chorus in the live performances then? 

Robin's a shitty singer live?

Oh, please, stop it.

[NicoRourke]

I guess you (DunkinDave) never heard Robin singing harmonies with Axl on Madagascar ?

In Better, I'm sure there's Robin's voice behind Axl at some points during the chorus. Backup vocals.

[daviebuckethead]

i always thought it was pitman doing a lot of the back up vox?? at least thats what i read around gear but.........

[NicoRourke]

i always thought it was pitman doing a lot of the back up vox?? at least thats what i read around gear but.........

Sure he does too, as Tommy & Robin.

It can be clearly seen in a lot of video bootlegs.

[ppbebe]

Can you tell me why Axl sing the chorus in the live performances then? 

Robin's a shitty singer live?

well I like his singing. nice and unaffected. Have you heard his sossego?

What I meant was that I could hear another voice in the distance of axls dominating one there.
like Nytunz said the growl rings rather atypical of axl. Maybe the point was where the other voice, robins or otherwise overlapped axls. That would make sense as the song later goes 'Now we all know better!". such are the impression  I had.

also I hear the distant 'all that I wanted was' chorus hear and there. and 'anger' after 'so full of anger'.

Then again these might be resonance or something. Or just me hearing things .

[mr.glavin]

I HEARD ON YOUTUBE SOME PEOPLE PLAYING A LINK ON THE RADIO AND SLAGGING IT OFF AND SAYING IT WAS UNORIGINAL .........WAKE UP MOFO'S.

[Skeba]

Please stop posting in caps.

[Voodoochild]

What I meant was that I could hear another voice in the distance of axls dominating one there.
like Nytunz said the growl rings rather atypical of axl. Maybe the point was where the other voice, robins or otherwise overlapped axls. That would make sense as the song later goes 'Now we all know better!". such are the impression I had.

Listen to I Don't Care About You. That's Axl singin, but rather atypical indeed.

and 'anger' after 'so full of anger'.

Then again these might be resonance or something. Or just me hearing things .

This is intentional. It's just a slap echo.

[whiny]

Can you tell me why Axl sing the chorus in the live performances then??

Robin's a shitty singer live?

Oh, please, stop it.

when i saw robin with nin in 99 he was not only a fucking great singer, moreover he stole trent the show with his stage presence.

[Lethalis]

The song Better can make or break Guns.

My girlfriend for instance - who has both AFD and the illusions in her CD collection - absolutely hates the song. She likes the Blues and IRS on the other hand.

And funny as it is, the only bandmember she likes is Bumblefoot (not Axl anymore). Loves the Don't Cry solo.

This made me think about Guns and their 'new direction'. A lot of Guns fans are more contemporary rock fans. People who like the older stuff and don't like most new rock bands. If Guns move in a new direction and start sounding more modern, they might lose more fans than they want.

I'm somewhere in the middle, but I have to say Better also isn't my favourite. There is stuff I like about it (the lyrics, the guitars) and stuff I don't like (the high pitched start and end, the "now I know you better, you know I know better" part).

I'd go for something more straight forward like IRS or something epic like Madagascar for the single.

[Neemo]

Can you tell me why Axl sing the chorus in the live performances then? 

Robin's a shitty singer live?

Oh, please, stop it.

when i saw robin with nin in 99 he was not only a fucking great singer, moreover he stole trent the show with his stage presence.

isnt tommy the background vocalist?

[Saul]

Live , alot of the members sing backup!

On these new demo's , the only song I ever felt had someone then axl singing on it is TWAT , right at the end during "yeah there was a time , didnt wanna know it all..."

When better leaked last year I did at forst think robin did some backup on it but after a few good listens with headphones realized he didnt.

[whiny]

Can you tell me why Axl sing the chorus in the live performances then??

Robin's a shitty singer live?

Oh, please, stop it.

when i saw robin with nin in 99 he was not only a fucking great singer, moreover he stole trent the show with his stage presence.

isnt tommy the background vocalist?

true. tommy is the main back-vocalist live.

[bringbackadler]

Live , alot of the members sing backup!

On these new demo's , the only song I ever felt had someone then axl singing on it is TWAT , right at the end during "yeah there was a time , didnt wanna know it all..."

When better leaked last year I did at forst think robin did some backup on it but after a few good listens with headphones realized he didnt.

Buckethead er.. eh.. I mean Saul...

What's up w/ your account being suspended. Ive been trying to get on.

They're trying to ban me here !!


/bringbackadler

[Saul]

http://bucketheadland.proboards19.com/index.cgi

[Randy Jesus]

Don't get me wrong, because I am a supporter.

Does anyone find it funny that every time there is a leak, the band starts getting active or some type of statement would be made.

Who has access to leak songs like the recent better? We know that Axl keeps things under lock and key. It has to be someone close to Axl...

Wasn't Better a recent song, which was made after Buckethead left the band?

Could it be management? or fmr management?