.

[fink_owns_slash]

i like all the "guns and roses/axl owes us nothing." well, i would say he owes us a lot since his 10 plus year break from releasing plus all the stuff he owns was bankrolled by the fans who bought his stuff way back when. i probably bought 5 copies of appetite over the years when the previous one got scratched. i mean if axl wasn't so filthy rich (not even poor, just had an 'average income') do you really think this album STILL wouldn't be out. if he wasn't so wealthy (from us fans) this album would have been out in 1995. yet its 2007 no album, and axl's driving a ferrari (of the many he owns) around. but yeah HE OWES US NOTHING. garbage. my two cents.

peace out.


jarmo... delete away.

[Danny]

You know, there has been alot of talk around here lately from people saying basically the same thing over and over. ?It's usually something the lines of this:

"People were not happy when they didn't get updates. ?Now we get updates and they are still not happy." ?Then they usually go on to say something along the lines of "you are not a real fan if you come onto a GNR forum and complain". ?I'm getting a little dissappointed in this. ?It's weird. ?I used to not beleive it when people said that there are alot of GNR fans who will beleive anything and everything that this band will say about the release of this album that we ALL are looking forward to. ?I just didn't beleive it. ?I couldn't comprehend the idea that so many people would be that blind. ?Well, I was wrong. ?With this latest "news story" and the reaction it is getting from some people around here is absolutely mind-blowing. ?When I first read the story I expected to come on this site (and others) and see the fans coming out in droves upset at the fact that our intelligence have been ridiculed. ?Instead, I see a few people poking fun at the insanity of the article(and dammit...it IS funny), and a bunch of people (including the site's administrator) seemingly having no problem with it and getting angry at the people who think it's a joke. ?It was funny last night...today it's just sad. ?Seriously. ?What would it take this band to do for you to be dissappointed? ?I'm starting to think nothing. ?I'm waiting for the following post on the GNR site:


"Axl delaying album's release because he is going to be spending the next few years butt-raping the mothers and sisters of all the posters on HTGTH. "

And then the next day there will be a big thread about this news with a ton of people saying things like "If Axl needs to do this, we should support him as fans" and "This is a good sign. ?It's an update and when we get updates it means things are moving along".

I am a fan of Guns N' Roses. ?I have been for a really long time. ?There have been many things I have liked about this band musically and socially. ?I liked all the old albums, I like all the "leaked" songs, I liked every concert I've been to (old era and new era), I like all of the band members past and present, I like their website, I like their videos, I like the title of this album, I like it all. ?I even like updates like the one we got in December from Axl. ?I even saw the "tentative" release date as being just that...TENTATIVE. ?But seriously, how can you not look at this "update" and ?laugh? ?It's so damned silly.

With all that said, I think us fans (and don't you ever think otherwise...we are fans) who think that what the band has done PR-wise lately is insulting to us hardcore supporters are the REAL FANS who REALLY want to see this album. ?We are frustrated because we hate the waiting. ?We want to hear this thing. ?We want to go into a record store and buy it. ?We want to hold it in our hands. ?When you say things like "we just need to be patient. ?It'll come out when it's ready" to me shows that you really aren't truly a fan of the music. ?You are more a fan of being a fan.

[Neemo]

isnt this the first time a track has actually been named on the official site? Let alone an article about one....That has to be another good sign

the only people axl "owes" the record to, is instercope/geffen/universal, we just get it as a buy-product

[WARose]

i`m no battered wife, i`m a member of this forum who`s sick of the constant complaining, that?s going on here. get a life people.....

i`m sick of this wait as well by the way....

[fink_owns_slash]

You know, there has been alot of talk around here lately from people saying basically the same thing over and over. ?It's usually something the lines of this:

"People were not happy when they didn't get updates. ?Now we get updates and they are still not happy." ?Then they usually go on to say something along the lines of "you are not a real fan if you come onto a GNR forum and complain". ?I'm getting a little dissappointed in this. ?It's weird. ?I used to not beleive it when people said that there are alot of GNR fans who will beleive anything and everything that this band will say about the release of this album that we ALL are looking forward to. ?I just didn't beleive it. ?I couldn't comprehend the idea that so many people would be that blind. ?Well, I was wrong. ?With this latest "news story" and the reaction it is getting from some people around here is absolutely mind-blowing. ?When I first read the story I expected to come on this site (and others) and see the fans coming out in droves upset at the fact that our intelligence have been ridiculed. ?Instead, I see a few people poking fun at the insanity of the article(and dammit...it IS funny), and a bunch of people (including the site's administrator) seemingly having no problem with it and getting angry at the people who think it's a joke. ?It was funny last night...today it's just sad. ?Seriously. ?What would it take this band to do for you to be dissappointed? ?I'm starting to think nothing. ?I'm waiting for the following post on the GNR site:


"Axl delaying album's release because he is going to be spending the next few years butt-raping the mothers and sisters of all the posters on HTGTH. "

And then the next day there will be a big thread about this news with a ton of people saying things like "If Axl needs to do this, we should support him as fans" and "This is a good sign. ?It's an update and when we get updates it means things are moving along".

I am a fan of Guns N' Roses. ?I have been for a really long time. ?There have been many things I have liked about this band musically and socially. ?I liked all the old albums, I like all the "leaked" songs, I liked every concert I've been to (old era and new era), I like all of the band members past and present, I like their website, I like their videos, I like the title of this album, I like it all. ?I even like updates like the one we got in December from Axl. ?I even saw the "tentative" release date as being just that...TENTATIVE. ?But seriously, how can you not look at this "update" and ?laugh? ?It's so damned silly.

With all that said, I think us fans (and don't you ever think otherwise...we are fans) who think that what the band has done PR-wise lately is insulting to us hardcore supporters are the REAL FANS who REALLY want to see this album. ?We are frustrated because we hate the waiting. ?We want to hear this thing. ?We want to go into a record store and buy it. ?We want to hold it in our hands. ?When you say things like "we just need to be patient. ?It'll come out when it's ready" to me shows that you really aren't truly a fan of the music. ?You are more a fan of being a fan.

great post... my thoughts exactly. "its so damn silly" PERFECT, we are all so excited about a release date and we get press releases like this. i mean the bands these guys like/came from would never pull this. can you imagine stinson and the replacements treating fans like this in the 80's? never. basically its a joke. the you need patience line after 12 years? come on... i need patience like i need a hole in my head.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Why are people so bitchy?  So what if GnR gives us another update that mentions nothing about CD or the process or when it's coming out or what they're doing or why they're touring again without the album.  And who cares if his comments are intentionally vague or an outright lie.  At least it's SOMETHING.  At least it's a group of letters that grouped to form and sentences that kinda give the impression of conveying information.

Can't we at least be happy about that?

I swear... some people will never be happy.  Jesus, you guys aren't going to be happy until Axl either releases the album or offers some reasonable explanation of why the process has been stalled.

This is post of the day.

Seriously, GNR must have the 3 stooges handling their recordings. Things happen, get leaked, get put on movie soundtracks, get labled wrong, and Axl doesn't seem to know anything about it... Almost like some of his tours.

I have often wondered about the people that work for Axl.  Is it him or them?   He did fire Merck but I dunno I expected to see a change but I haven't really, not noticible anyway at least not yet.    These updates are a good start,  I hope it just continues more and more, ie getting the mixing done, PR and lots of it, vids...etc..

[WARose]

well danny....


people, who believe everything the band tells them are either completely stupid or ignorant. that?s no reason to repeat it over and over though.....

i mean it`s quite obvious, that noone worked hard on this for 10 years....  merck even said, that axl managed to spent 3 days of work on the record in 2006   in my opinion it?s even almost safe to say, that nothing was done between 2004 and 2006.....

but if people care so much about this album, that it makes them sad and obsessed they should really get a life... i check this forum to get the latest news and information on my favourite band, the record i`m waiting for and to have some nice discussions....  not to hear some whiners repeat their crap over and over.

everyone knows, that gnr and axl aren?t perfect, but we can?t change anything. if anyone read the del james article, you should know what the gnr camp thinks of us internet fans....  like it or not. i don?t even care about it.

[jarmo]

i like all the "guns and roses/axl owes us nothing." well, i would say he owes us a lot since his 10 plus year break from releasing plus all the stuff he owns was bankrolled by the fans who bought his stuff way back when. i probably bought 5 copies of appetite over the years when the previous one got scratched. i mean if axl wasn't so filthy rich (not even poor, just had an 'average income') do you really think this album STILL wouldn't be out. if he wasn't so wealthy (from us fans) this album would have been out in 1995. yet its 2007 no album, and axl's driving a ferrari (of the many he owns) around. but yeah HE OWES US NOTHING. garbage. my two cents.

peace out.

Listen, you paid for five copies and you got five copies.

Do you go to the baker's house and tell him that he owes you because he bought the house with the money you spent on bread?

How about the doctor's house? The car mechanic? The teacher?


What a bunch of bullshit you come up.

jarmo... delete away.

That's an insult, so here's one for you: Fuck off.

And it's spelled F-i-n-c-k.



/jarmo

[chriskon72]

You know, there has been alot of talk around here lately from people saying basically the same thing over and over. ?It's usually something the lines of this:

"People were not happy when they didn't get updates. ?Now we get updates and they are still not happy." ?Then they usually go on to say something along the lines of "you are not a real fan if you come onto a GNR forum and complain". ?I'm getting a little dissappointed in this. ?It's weird. ?I used to not beleive it when people said that there are alot of GNR fans who will beleive anything and everything that this band will say about the release of this album that we ALL are looking forward to. ?I just didn't beleive it. ?I couldn't comprehend the idea that so many people would be that blind. ?Well, I was wrong. ?With this latest "news story" and the reaction it is getting from some people around here is absolutely mind-blowing. ?When I first read the story I expected to come on this site (and others) and see the fans coming out in droves upset at the fact that our intelligence have been ridiculed. ?Instead, I see a few people poking fun at the insanity of the article(and dammit...it IS funny), and a bunch of people (including the site's administrator) seemingly having no problem with it and getting angry at the people who think it's a joke. ?It was funny last night...today it's just sad. ?Seriously. ?What would it take this band to do for you to be dissappointed? ?I'm starting to think nothing. ?I'm waiting for the following post on the GNR site:


"Axl delaying album's release because he is going to be spending the next few years butt-raping the mothers and sisters of all the posters on HTGTH. "

And then the next day there will be a big thread about this news with a ton of people saying things like "If Axl needs to do this, we should support him as fans" and "This is a good sign. ?It's an update and when we get updates it means things are moving along".

I am a fan of Guns N' Roses. ?I have been for a really long time. ?There have been many things I have liked about this band musically and socially. ?I liked all the old albums, I like all the "leaked" songs, I liked every concert I've been to (old era and new era), I like all of the band members past and present, I like their website, I like their videos, I like the title of this album, I like it all. ?I even like updates like the one we got in December from Axl. ?I even saw the "tentative" release date as being just that...TENTATIVE. ?But seriously, how can you not look at this "update" and ?laugh? ?It's so damned silly.

With all that said, I think us fans (and don't you ever think otherwise...we are fans) who think that what the band has done PR-wise lately is insulting to us hardcore supporters are the REAL FANS who REALLY want to see this album. ?We are frustrated because we hate the waiting. ?We want to hear this thing. ?We want to go into a record store and buy it. ?We want to hold it in our hands. ?When you say things like "we just need to be patient. ?It'll come out when it's ready" to me shows that you really aren't truly a fan of the music. ?You are more a fan of being a fan.

great post... my thoughts exactly. "its so damn silly" PERFECT, we are all so excited about a release date and we get press releases like this. i mean the bands these guys like/came from would never pull this. can you imagine stinson and the replacements treating fans like this in the 80's? never. basically its a joke. the you need patience line after 12 years? come on... i need patience like i need a hole in my head.

 ?

I don't think anyone in the world has more patience than a Gn'R fans.

Except the ones in St.Louis, Montreal, Vancouver, and Philly ?

[Mysteron]

I've only scanned through this thread quickly, but hey, what is with all the complaints? Your comments are not exactly going to encourage the band to keep giving updates. ? Use some common sense, please.

The version of 'Better' that is out there right now is not a final mix, and it getting played on the radio is misrepresenting GN'R. It's been said before, and Diz is just saying it all again.

[Danny]

people, who believe everything the band tells them are either completely stupid or ignorant. that?s no reason to repeat it over and over though.....

What's sad to me is that these people just don't address this. ?They don't even deny it. ?I hate the fact that I am lumped into a group because I am a fan just like these people.

[jarmo]

I've only scanned through this thread quickly, but hey, what is with all the complaints?

They want a release date. They know it's impossible to give a final release date at his point because the album is being mixed, but they want it anyway.

Easy to please....


/jarmo

[MotherGooseLuvR]

I've only scanned through this thread quickly, but hey, what is with all the complaints? Your comments are not exactly going to encourage the band to keep giving updates. ? Use some common sense, please.

The version of 'Better' that is out there right now is not a final mix, and it getting played on the radio is misrepresenting GN'R. It's been said before, and Diz is just saying it all again.

Maybe these comments will encourage the band to give better updates.

[fink_owns_slash]

"Listen, you paid for five copies and you got five copies.

Do you go to the baker's house and tell him that he owes you because he bought the house with the money you spent on bread?

How about the doctor's house? The car mechanic? The teacher?


What a bunch of bullshit you come up."


the docter, the mechanic, the baker ALL continue working. that mechanic would fix my car tommarow if needed... i wouldn't have to wait 12 plus years. why he collects royalties for work he did almost 20 years ago, so its not really the same.

actualy, it IS f-i-n-k when its references a movie called barton FINK. check out the line below my picture. (its a movie about a writer who gets writers block; check it out sometime its fantastic)

[CAFC Nick]

This message board is all about opinions, so...

My belief is that the one handed to Harley was a properly mixed version. However, I think Better has changed again since the one they gave to Harley was purely Buckethead and I think the new version of better, that will appear on CD, is the version with Bumblefoot on.

[CAFC Nick]

I've only scanned through this thread quickly, but hey, what is with all the complaints?

They want a release date. They know it's impossible to give a final release date at his point because the album is being mixed, but they want it anyway.

Easy to please....


/jarmo

Jarmo pushing for a release date 

[Jim Bob]

some whiny ass bitches.  what a disgrace.    fuck if everything this band did made me so upset I wouldn't bother.    This has to be a new lowpoint for an already pathetic "fan"base.

[AdZ]

"Listen, you paid for five copies and you got five copies.

Do you go to the baker's house and tell him that he owes you because he bought the house with the money you spent on bread?

How about the doctor's house? The car mechanic? The teacher?


What a bunch of bullshit you come up."


the docter, the mechanic, the baker ALL continue working. that mechanic would fix my car tommarow if needed... i wouldn't have to wait 12 plus years. why he collects royalties for work he did almost 20 years ago, so its not really the same.

There's loads of other music out there, if your mechanic, doctor or baker stopped 'working' (which isn't the case for Axl) you could go to others and get the same service, which is the same for music.  Plenty of other bands and artists out there, go visit a store.

And of course he can still get paid for work he did 20 years ago, people are still buying it from him.

[JohnMorrison73]

i like all the "guns and roses/axl owes us nothing." well, i would say he owes us a lot since his 10 plus year break from releasing plus all the stuff he owns was bankrolled by the fans who bought his stuff way back when. i probably bought 5 copies of appetite over the years when the previous one got scratched. i mean if axl wasn't so filthy rich (not even poor, just had an 'average income') do you really think this album STILL wouldn't be out. if he wasn't so wealthy (from us fans) this album would have been out in 1995. yet its 2007 no album, and axl's driving a ferrari (of the many he owns) around. but yeah HE OWES US NOTHING. garbage. my two cents.

peace out.

Listen, you paid for five copies and you got five copies.

Do you go to the baker's house and tell him that he owes you because he bought the house with the money you spent on bread?

How about the doctor's house? The car mechanic? The teacher?


What a bunch of bullshit you come up.

jarmo... delete away.

That's an insult, so here's one for you: Fuck off.

And it's spelled F-i-n-c-k.



/jarmo

why dont u get minus karmo jarmo? huh? huh? ?

they should release the album so better CAN be on the commercial

[Danny]

They want a release date. They know it's impossible to give a final release date at his point because the album is being mixed, but they want it anyway.

Easy to please....


/jarmo

Ok. ?So then, if Del James article a couple of weeks ago said "Recording is done. ?We are currently mixing the album and we have a pretty good idea about how long this process will take. ?So, the release date of the album is (insert date here)." you would be the first to say: "That's IMPOSSIBLE! ?They can't have a release date if they are mixing!!! ?This band is lying to us!!!"

I doubt that.