Gingrich had affair during Clinton probe

[Danny]

Gingrich is scum and should have been shot years  ago.
I respect  the  thread, but he  is such an ass my only feeling is that I hope his  wife  fucked him in divorce proceedings as much as he fucked the American people  with his holier  than thou  shit  for years.
I wish he dies  a slow and painful life.
Suffer, you $%#^&*%$#.

Got a tip for you:  Decaf.

[Booker Floyd]

Gingrich is scum and should have been shot years  ago.

No need for this dumb rhetoric.

[Surfrider]

Of course, no one mentions that Clinton's mess was over perjury and obstruction of justice.  I don't think too many people cared about his extra-marital affair.  That was the spin that was used to downplay the perjury and obstruction.

I, for one, do think that one's family relationships do reflect, to some extent, on the actual person.  Unfortunately, Gingrich is probably the only person that is considering running that has true conservative principles.

[Booker Floyd]

Of course, no one mentions that Clinton's mess was over perjury and obstruction of justice.  I don't think too many people cared about his extra-marital affair.  That was the spin that was used to downplay the perjury and obstruction.

I, for one, do think that one's family relationships do reflect, to some extent, on the actual person.  Unfortunately, Gingrich is probably the only person that is considering running that has true conservative principles.

What about Sam Brownback or Duncan Hunter?

[The Dog]

Of course, no one mentions that Clinton's mess was over perjury and obstruction of justice.? I don't think too many people cared about his extra-marital affair.? That was the spin that was used to downplay the perjury and obstruction.

I, for one, do think that one's family relationships do reflect, to some extent, on the actual person.? Unfortunately, Gingrich is probably the only person that is considering running that has true conservative principles.

I disagree....People definitely cared...Bush got into the white house on saying how he'd bring "respect" back to the white house.  Family values and all of that nonsense were the topic du jour for the repubs.  I'm with you though, the presidents personal life is meaningless to me.  Bush could be a great father and husband and a 100% moral guy, but hes still a horrible president in soooo many ways. 

And lets be honest here, perjury and obstruction? he lied about getting a blow job.  Hardly put the country at risk.   Nobody should have cared.  The entire impeachment was a farce.  Bush's lies and corruption have done a lot more damage than getting a hummer by a chubby intern.

LIke Bill Maher said, apparently there is more to this president thing than not getting blown in the oval office.....

[Gordon Gekko]

Clinton was the victim of a perjury trap. He lied because he was afraid of his wife. Do you blame him?

[Vicious Wishes]

Clinton was the victim of a perjury trap. He lied because he was afraid of his wife. Do you blame him?

Riiiiiight. Grow a set of balls and deal with her.

[Surfrider]

And lets be honest here, perjury and obstruction? he lied about getting a blow job.? Hardly put the country at risk.? ?Nobody should have cared.? The entire impeachment was a farce.? Bush's lies and corruption have done a lot more damage than getting a hummer by a chubby intern.

LIke Bill Maher said, apparently there is more to this president thing than not getting blown in the oval office.....

If you want to be honest, then lets be honest.  You are simply looking at the spin that the left attached to the investigation.  Clinton was not impeached for simply getting a blow job.  He was impeached (correct me if I am wrong) because he lied under oath while he was being questioned in connection with sexual harrassment allegations from a woman.  Should men be permitted lie in such cases?

[Surfrider]

Clinton was the victim of a perjury trap. He lied because he was afraid of his wife. Do you blame him?

So was Libby.  That's the funny thing.  He lied for various reasons, one of which was probably to keep it from his wife.  Nonetheless, those lies obstructed an investigation into very serious allegations.

[pebbles]

so did half of Washington...whats the point? Clintons affair didnt make him a bad leader his policies did.....

Clinton was an great president! His policies were a lot better than the dumb fuck in dc now

[The Dog]

And lets be honest here, perjury and obstruction? he lied about getting a blow job.? Hardly put the country at risk.? ?Nobody should have cared.? The entire impeachment was a farce.? Bush's lies and corruption have done a lot more damage than getting a hummer by a chubby intern.

LIke Bill Maher said, apparently there is more to this president thing than not getting blown in the oval office.....

If you want to be honest, then lets be honest.? You are simply looking at the spin that the left attached to the investigation.? Clinton was not impeached for simply getting a blow job.? He was impeached (correct me if I am wrong) because he lied under oath while he was being questioned in connection with sexual harrassment allegations from a woman.? Should men be permitted lie in such cases?

I'm not questioning the charges, but give me a break. IT WAS A BLOW JOB!  You talk about spin?  People were acting like Clinton was the most depraved, evil person alive (by people I mean hyrocrites like Gingrich).  If you want to accuse the left of spinning the story then the right is just as guilty of blowing it way out of proportion.   This wasn't a lie about WMDs, or countries trying to aquire nuclear materials, or illegal sales of weapons.  it was about a married guy getting a hummer from his chubby and willing intern.  Where is the spin in that?  You REALLY think you can compare Libby to Clinton?  Give me a break.  You sound like Stephen Colbert now, but hes just joking, I don't think you are...   

[SLCPUNK]

Are you guys fucking kidding me?

Clinton lied about something that was nobody's goddamn business. Hardly worth a second thought, not to mention spending millions upon millions of our tax payer money on.

Libby, on the other hand, lied over an act of treason, that originated from the highest level of our government.

Cheney should be impeached and thrown in jail for what he did. Libby should be his cell mate.

[Surfrider]

Are you guys fucking kidding me?

Clinton lied about something that was nobody's goddamn business. Hardly worth a second thought, not to mention spending millions upon millions of our tax payer money on.

What about the woman that accused him of sexual harrassment? 

Libby, on the other hand, lied over an act of treason, that originated from the highest level of our government.

Nice extrapolation from the facts.  I am sure that you would view stealing and destroying classified documents the same.  Expecially, when those documents might have provided insight into blunders that were made during the Clinton administration regarding the current war on terrorism.

Cheney should be impeached and thrown in jail for what he did. Libby should be his cell mate.

Maybe Berger can be in there as well.

[Surfrider]

And lets be honest here, perjury and obstruction? he lied about getting a blow job.? Hardly put the country at risk.? ?Nobody should have cared.? The entire impeachment was a farce.? Bush's lies and corruption have done a lot more damage than getting a hummer by a chubby intern.

LIke Bill Maher said, apparently there is more to this president thing than not getting blown in the oval office.....

If you want to be honest, then lets be honest.? You are simply looking at the spin that the left attached to the investigation.? Clinton was not impeached for simply getting a blow job.? He was impeached (correct me if I am wrong) because he lied under oath while he was being questioned in connection with sexual harrassment allegations from a woman.? Should men be permitted lie in such cases?

I'm not questioning the charges, but give me a break. IT WAS A BLOW JOB!? You talk about spin?? People were acting like Clinton was the most depraved, evil person alive (by people I mean hyrocrites like Gingrich).? If you want to accuse the left of spinning the story then the right is just as guilty of blowing it way out of proportion.? ?This wasn't a lie about WMDs, or countries trying to aquire nuclear materials, or illegal sales of weapons.? it was about a married guy getting a hummer from his chubby and willing intern.? Where is the spin in that?? You REALLY think you can compare Libby to Clinton?? Give me a break.? You sound like Stephen Colbert now, but hes just joking, I don't think you are...? ?

I agree that the Clinton matter did not deserve the time and money that was expended.  But lets be honest, there was a woman that leveled serious sexual harrassment charges against him.  She wasn't the first.  He obstructed the investigation into those claims by lying about other matters.  I could never understand why the feminist left supported Clinton despite the fact that his lying was directly related to a sexual harrassment suit.  That was the most hypocritical part of anything. 

I am comparing Libby to Clinton based on the context in which you set forth.  You said that Clinton was set up.  There is no question that Libby was also set up.

[The Dog]

And lets be honest here, perjury and obstruction? he lied about getting a blow job.? Hardly put the country at risk.? ?Nobody should have cared.? The entire impeachment was a farce.? Bush's lies and corruption have done a lot more damage than getting a hummer by a chubby intern.

LIke Bill Maher said, apparently there is more to this president thing than not getting blown in the oval office.....

If you want to be honest, then lets be honest.? You are simply looking at the spin that the left attached to the investigation.? Clinton was not impeached for simply getting a blow job.? He was impeached (correct me if I am wrong) because he lied under oath while he was being questioned in connection with sexual harrassment allegations from a woman.? Should men be permitted lie in such cases?

I'm not questioning the charges, but give me a break. IT WAS A BLOW JOB!? You talk about spin?? People were acting like Clinton was the most depraved, evil person alive (by people I mean hyrocrites like Gingrich).? If you want to accuse the left of spinning the story then the right is just as guilty of blowing it way out of proportion.? ?This wasn't a lie about WMDs, or countries trying to aquire nuclear materials, or illegal sales of weapons.? it was about a married guy getting a hummer from his chubby and willing intern.? Where is the spin in that?? You REALLY think you can compare Libby to Clinton?? Give me a break.? You sound like Stephen Colbert now, but hes just joking, I don't think you are...? ?

I agree that the Clinton matter did not deserve the time and money that was expended.? But lets be honest, there was a woman that leveled serious sexual harrassment charges against him.? She wasn't the first.? He obstructed the investigation into those claims by lying about other matters.? I could never understand why the feminist left supported Clinton despite the fact that his lying was directly related to a sexual harrassment suit.? That was the most hypocritical part of anything.?

I am comparing Libby to Clinton based on the context in which you set forth.? You said that Clinton was set up.? There is no question that Libby was also set up.

When did I say CLinton was set up?? All I've said is that a blow job was made out to be a MUCH bigger deal than it should have been.? It almost sounds like you have sympathy for Libby?? Sorry dude, I"m with SLC on this one.? ?a blow job compared to blowing a CIA agents cover are just miles apart in my book.? Not to mention everything else involved in the Libby case with Cheney, Rove and Bush, the climate of "you fuck with us we're going to fuck with you)? how can you even compare the two?

Maybe if there wasn't such a republican outcry over a BJ, the clinton admin would have been able to focus on other things.....like, oh, i don't know, fighting terrorism??  nah, a blow job is MUCH more important right?

[Surfrider]

And lets be honest here, perjury and obstruction? he lied about getting a blow job.? Hardly put the country at risk.? ?Nobody should have cared.

What about the person that claims she was sexually harrassed?? Should she care?? Is it ok then to lie under oath in certain circumstances?? I'm sorry, but the President lying under oath and obstructing justice is a big story.? You might not care, but it is an important story.

The entire impeachment was a farce.?

I will agree with you in that I don't think impeachment was appropriate.?

Bush's lies and corruption have done a lot more damage than getting a hummer by a chubby intern.

Of course, you have no evidence of specific lies.? There is no substance to your allegations.? Please show me any evidence of Bush lying which is something other than your partisan speculation?? There simply is not such evidence.? More importantly, you cannot justify one wrong with another wrong.? You should be smart enough to realize that.

I'm not questioning the charges, but give me a break. IT WAS A BLOW JOB!? You talk about spin?? People were acting like Clinton was the most depraved, evil person alive (by people I mean hyrocrites like Gingrich).?

He did lie under oath.? That is a felony.? You can downplay it all you want.? A woman accused him of sexual harrassment.? He was questioned about other extramarital relationships.? He lied under oath.? That is perjury - plain and simple.? I am sure if Bush did such a things you would jus brush it aside.

If you want to accuse the left of spinning the story then the right is just as guilty of blowing it way out of proportion.? ?

Sure, the right blew it way out of proportion (Pun intended).

This wasn't a lie about WMDs, or countries trying to aquire nuclear materials, or illegal sales of weapons.?

You are right it wasn't.? Are you suggesting that Bush has made such lies?? You have no evidence for this.? I hammered down on you guys months ago about this.? You presented zero (0) evidence that Bush made intentional lies about any of these things.

it was about a married guy getting a hummer from his chubby and willing intern.? Where is the spin in that??

Because people like you state that Clinton was impeached for getting a blow job.? He was impeached for lying about it under oath.

You REALLY think you can compare Libby to Clinton?? Give me a break.? You sound like Stephen Colbert now, but hes just joking, I don't think you are...? ?
When did I say CLinton was set up?? All I've said is that a blow job was made out to be a MUCH bigger deal than it should have been.?

Sorry, confused you with Gordon Gecko above.? He said that Clinton was set up.

It almost sounds like you have sympathy for Libby?? Sorry dude, I"m with SLC on this one.?

Actually, I don't have much sympathy for Libby.? I think they all should go to prison if they are all found guilty such things.

?a blow job compared to blowing a CIA agents cover are just miles apart in my book.? Not to mention everything else involved in the Libby case with Cheney, Rove and Bush, the climate of "you fuck with us we're going to fuck with you)? how can you even compare the two?

From my understanding, Libby was not found guilty of blowing a CIA agents cover.? He was found guilty of lying during the investigation of such allegations.? Besides, I agree that the two contexts are different.? Wouldn't you also agree that Berger should go to prison for stealing and destroying classified documents?

Maybe if there wasn't such a republican outcry over a BJ, the clinton admin would have been able to focus on other things.....like, oh, i don't know, fighting terrorism??? nah, a blow job is MUCH more important right?

I don't disagree with you.? However, the Supreme Court permitted Clinton to be sued while he was in office.

[The Dog]

If you go back to the Berger thread you'll see my comments on it...despite what you guys like to think I am not blinded by my party affiliation, if a democrat does something bad I want them to pay the price.

As for if bush lied about something and was guilty of perjury/obstruction, I can honestly say if it was over something totally retarded, I would say the democrats were over reacting.  If I'm not mistaken, during Clinton's impeachment trial his popularity was still high and public opinion of republicans dropped.  EVERYBODY knew it was a joke. 

Think about it, Bush probably could be impeached if the Dems did some digging into his administration (yes, i have no "evidence" but I would say its a good bet that if inquiries were done, something bad would be found).  Rather than try to impeach bush, the dems just want to move on.  Go back to Clinton though, the repubs wanted to lynch him and basically crippled his 2nd term over a BJ - you can spin it all you want by saying he lied/perjury/obstruction/whatever, but as the polls said during the time, nobody was buying it.  Instead of being able to make important policy, handle foreign affairs, and hunt down this guy named osama bin laden, clinton was left dealing with defining the word "is" and talking about BJs.  Whoopdy Fucking Doo.

anyways, to get back on topic, gingrich was one of the worst repubs during this whole time period.  again, you can spin it on it being about perjury/obstruction, but at the end of the day it was just about nonsense.  for someone to condemn clinton for disgracing the white house, having no morals/values while they are doing the same damn thing.....its a farce.

[Surfrider]

If you go back to the Berger thread you'll see my comments on it...despite what you guys like to think I am not blinded by my party affiliation, if a democrat does something bad I want them to pay the price.

I don't care to go back and look.  I will take your word that you condemned him as well.

As for if bush lied about something and was guilty of perjury/obstruction, I can honestly say if it was over something totally retarded, I would say the democrats were over reacting.? If I'm not mistaken, during Clinton's impeachment trial his popularity was still high and public opinion of republicans dropped.? EVERYBODY knew it was a joke.?

I think this is a convenient statement.  Especially when you are accusing Bush of making lies with absolutely no evidence.

Think about it, Bush probably could be impeached if the Dems did some digging into his administration (yes, i have no "evidence" but I would say its a good bet that if inquiries were done, something bad would be found).?

I appreciate you honestly stating that you have no evidence for the lies.  Believe me, I think Bush has made all of the mistakes in the world, and I think it would be better for this country if he was out of there before his term ends.  However, I think Bush has always been over his head and is more an incompetent than an evil liar.  There is plenty of support for his incompetence.  On the other hand, there is no evidence that he has knowingly lied about the stuff he is accused of doing.

Rather than try to impeach bush, the dems just want to move on.?

Come on.  Hanna, this is a ridiculous statement.  Democrats are still calling Bush a liar and debating the entry of the war.  As you admitted, there is no evidence of lies, yet the dems state the same all of the time.  First, they never had the House of Representatives.  Thus, they could not impeach him.  Nonetheless, there were plenty of democrates that advocated his impeachment.  Second, as you admitted, there is no evidence of any of the allegations that would be used to impeach him.

Go back to Clinton though, the repubs wanted to lynch him and basically crippled his 2nd term over a BJ - you can spin it all you want by saying he lied/perjury/obstruction/whatever, but as the polls said during the time, nobody was buying it.? Instead of being able to make important policy, handle foreign affairs, and hunt down this guy named osama bin laden, clinton was left dealing with defining the word "is" and talking about BJs.? Whoopdy Fucking Doo.

I think we are arguing in circles. 

anyways, to get back on topic, gingrich was one of the worst repubs during this whole time period.? again, you can spin it on it being about perjury/obstruction, but at the end of the day it was just about nonsense.? for someone to condemn clinton for disgracing the white house, having no morals/values while they are doing the same damn thing.....its a farce.

I guess we can agree to disagree on what the impeachment was over.  I am guessing if you actually read the impeachment proceedings, you will hear the words perjury and obstruction of justice far more than Clinton's sexual conduct.  As for the word "is", no one plays those games with words unless they are planning to lie.

[The Dog]

Fair enough, but can you agree that Gingrich is a pompous, hyprocritical POS??? 

I have to really ask you though, be honest - do you think if inquiries were made into all of the things Bush has done in the past few years that either Bush and/or members of his admin would be in trouble for lying/stealing/cheating etc...  The Dems could open up a lot of can of worms, they are choosing not to, bush is still getting to add more troops and function as president.  Clinton was hand cuffed.  Anytime he tried to do something he was accused of wagging the dog.

As for bush being an evil liar vs. incompetent.? I don't think his intentions were "evil" but I do think they knowingly misled the public on 9-11 ties to Iraq.? There were plenty of reports of intelligence data/facts/info being square pegs being banged into circular holes....

[Gordon Gekko]

Are you guys fucking kidding me?

Clinton lied about something that was nobody's goddamn business. Hardly worth a second thought, not to mention spending millions upon millions of our tax payer money on.

What about the woman that accused him of sexual harrassment? 

Libby, on the other hand, lied over an act of treason, that originated from the highest level of our government.

Nice extrapolation from the facts.  I am sure that you would view stealing and destroying classified documents the same.  Expecially, when those documents might have provided insight into blunders that were made during the Clinton administration regarding the current war on terrorism.

Cheney should be impeached and thrown in jail for what he did. Libby should be his cell mate.

Maybe Berger can be in there as well.

I laughed so hard I spit Coke all over my keyboard.