Lack of info fallout continues: GNRonline.it shutdown

[Jim Bob]

Can one of the "non-haters", "non-crybabies", or "non-whiners" do me a favor here.  Can you please tell me what the hell we are supposed to talk about on this board right now and not be considered a hater, crybaby, or a whiner?  Seriously?  What is there to talk about with Guns N' Roses right now?

I don't know, but one thing I can tell you is, if I felt like coming to a board just for the sake of complaining, my life would be pretty shitty and I would be a sad person.

If it upset me like it upsets so many people, I would simply find something else to do taht doesn't hurt my feelings so bad. 

[TrixAreForKids]

The story about this shutting down has now been picked up by YahooMusic.

This is not good.

Ugh. It's just a fan site. There are hundreds on the net, and many get closed down everyday. These guys had to do this little drama campaign and now are giving GN'R some bad press. Ridiculous.

Bad press? For GnR', bad press is a good thing. It's better than a fictional album called 'Chinese Democracy.'

[Paintbox]

The story about this shutting down has now been picked up by YahooMusic.

This is not good.

maybe, after merck in december, next axl's letter will be "due to gnronline.it our tentative release date of march 6th will be delayed to christmas 2007". 

[EFISH]

The story about this shutting down has now been picked up by YahooMusic.

This is not good.

Ugh. It's just a fan site. There are hundreds on the net, and many get closed down everyday. These guys had to do this little drama campaign and now are giving GN'R some bad press. Ridiculous.

It's better than a fictional album called 'Chinese Democracy.'

Oh you mean the one that the band is 100% finished recording and is now in the mixing stage?

It seems as if some of you WANT the album to not come out.

[Danny]

Quote from: Danny on Today at 05:27:27 PM
Can one of the "non-haters", "non-crybabies", or "non-whiners" do me a favor here. ?Can you please tell me what the hell we are supposed to talk about on this board right now and not be considered a hater, crybaby, or a whiner? ?Seriously? ?What is there to talk about with Guns N' Roses right now?

Nobody if forcing you to talk about Guns N' Roses now.

Dates from shows in Japan, and now South America are coming out, so you can talk about that. You can also post in the off-topic sections, or not post at all. Just because Guns N' Roses aren't active right now doesn't give an excuse to start complaining and such.

I realize this. ?I know I don't have to be here. ?I'm just wondering if there is anything about GNR right now that CAN be discussed? ?If the news is bad news, it sort of seems like it would make more sense for the people who DON'T want to hear it or discuss it to not be here. ?And what about upcoming shows is there to talk about?

"Wow...there are going to be shows in Japan and South America next month. ?I hope they are fun."
"Yeah. ?Me too."
"I can't wait."
"Me Either."
"GNR 4EVER"


P.S. ?Thank you for admitting that GNR is not active right now, though.

[Paintbox]

Can one of the "non-haters", "non-crybabies", or "non-whiners" do me a favor here.  Can you please tell me what the hell we are supposed to talk about on this board right now and not be considered a hater, crybaby, or a whiner?  Seriously?  What is there to talk about with Guns N' Roses right now?

Nobody if forcing you to talk about Guns N' Roses now.

Dates from shows in Japan, and now South America are coming out, so you can talk about that. You can also post in the off-topic sections, or not post at all. Just because Guns N' Roses aren't active right now doesn't give an excuse to start complaining and such.

you're right...we can talk about new dates. and I'll tell you more, I can tell you the complete setlist of that show. they'll play prostitute.

[Danny]

I don't know, but one thing I can tell you is, if I felt like coming to a board just for the sake of complaining, my life would be pretty shitty and I would be a sad person.

If it upset me like it upsets so many people, I would simply find something else to do taht doesn't hurt my feelings so bad.

Actually, I don't just come here to complain.  Most of the so-called haters don't.  We come here for the good times and the bad times.  Unfortunately, there hav'nt been nearly as many good times as there has bad times.



Sad, but true.

[jarmo]

We just can't afford to waste our heads on a project that has never even taken us into consideration.

This alone makes me think these guys think they're owed something.

Maybe I don't understand what they're meaning, but that's how I interpret that sentence.


I'd also love it if somebody could explain what I've done:

We gladly leave that to other 'fan' sites and forums that have the will and passion to be fooled around one more time. It is also sad that the aforementioned websites and forums, most of whom claim to have direct links to the GNR camp, have built a wall between them and other sites like ours (as well every other fan out there), reluctant to even start collaborations from whom we all would have benefit from.

I know what I think of that statement, and I'm not gonna say anything, but if somebody could "translate" it I could at least see if my "theory" is right or wrong.



/jarmo

[Jim Bob]

We gladly leave that to other 'fan' sites and forums that have the will and passion to be fooled around one more time. It is also sad that the aforementioned websites and forums, most of whom claim to have direct links to the GNR camp, have built a wall between them and other sites like ours (as well every other fan out there), reluctant to even start collaborations from whom we all would have benefit from.

I know what I think of that statement, and I'm not gonna say anything, but if somebody could "translate" it I could at least see if my "theory" is right or wrong.



/jarmo

almost like they feel they are owed some sort of direct contact with the GNR camp, its reeks of jealousy.

[Bruno Poeys]

Can one of the "non-haters", "non-crybabies", or "non-whiners" do me a favor here.  Can you please tell me what the hell we are supposed to talk about on this board right now and not be considered a hater, crybaby, or a whiner?  Seriously?  What is there to talk about with Guns N' Roses right now?

I don't know, but one thing I can tell you is, if I felt like coming to a board just for the sake of complaining, my life would be pretty shitty and I would be a sad person.

If it upset me like it upsets so many people, I would simply find something else to do taht doesn't hurt my feelings so bad. 

seriously, you should get +1 karma for that. The karma system should give + points to those who make intelligent comments. 

[Christos AG]

its a bunch of crap.
those guys dont deserve any info.
only world wide forums deserve info.
such as htgth cd and mygnr.

local forums are just a waste of webspace.

if every local forum asked for info, the album would take another 15 years to make, since the band would be to bussy answering nerd inquiries.

just think if GNRAlbania did the same thing...
?!

where would it stop?!


enough with the crap, and move on.  Local forums  are there only to satisfy dictatorship ambitions of some cyber nerds... and since the "vacum" for the BIG forums has been filled, they are promoting "small" national forums.

What is GNR italy forum suposed to offer us more than some international forum? A different domain extension, and that's about it.

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

Since I am an owner of a local forum and site, the Greek one, I'll tell you a few things I've done to satisfy my dictatorship ambitions, as a cyber nerd that I am.

I brought Adler's Appetite to Greece in 2004.

I brought Tommy Stinson to Greece for 2 shows in 2004.

I brought Adler's Appetite to Greece again for 3 shows in 2005.

I arranged a meet & greet with Gilby Clarke and people from the fan club in 2 hours (when he came with MC5 to Greece) in 2005.

I brought Gilby Clarke to Greece for 3 shows in 2006.

No member of GNR had ever visited Greece on a solo tour, EVER.

Not to mention the countless parties I've organized and the thousands of free gifts I've paid for (t-shirts, lighters, lanyards, fridge magnets etc, etc...)

GN'R were announced only 2 weeks before their show in Greece. No TV spots, and the promotion of the concert wasn't THAT good. Lots of GNR fans would have never known if it wasn't for Gunsnroses.gr... I'm not saying that I'm responsible for 18.000 people that attended the show, but seeing more than 600-700 people with a Gunsnroses.gr tshirt there, it was enough to satisfy my dictatorship ambitions...

We just can't afford to waste our heads on a project that has never even taken us into consideration.

This alone makes me think these guys think they're owed something.

Maybe I don't understand what they're meaning, but that's how I interpret that sentence.


I'd also love it if somebody could explain what I've done:

We gladly leave that to other 'fan' sites and forums that have the will and passion to be fooled around one more time. It is also sad that the aforementioned websites and forums, most of whom claim to have direct links to the GNR camp, have built a wall between them and other sites like ours (as well every other fan out there), reluctant to even start collaborations from whom we all would have benefit from.

I know what I think of that statement, and I'm not gonna say anything, but if somebody could "translate" it I could at least see if my "theory" is right or wrong.



/jarmo

I'll say it.

I think it's pretty obvious that they want inside info, directly from the band, and it hurts them that htgth gets it first. Which is sad.

They should be happy that a fan site gets recognition and the band speaks through it.

It means that the band cares for the fans.

But some people want everything. And in the end they get nothing.

[Mr. Nik™]

absolutely not. they only think that it should be a mutual sense of help in the fans community worldwide. it's not about GNR camp, it's about fans, I guess.

[SterileEyes]

I saw GN'R 18 times last year. I looked around me at all shows, I didn't see the crowd looking bored.

/jarmo

I'm with you on this one. If there's 12,000 people in the room, maybe two or three are rolling their eyes when they open with Jungle or close with PC. At least half the audience (including me) waited their whole lives to see Axl perform. He's aware. It's called "pulling no punches and hooking the audience" with what works.

People really need to get over that. What do they want, "Shotgun Blues" instead of "My Michelle"?

Besides, its a 2+ hour show! Dude could always just play an 80 minute hits set, say "thank you goodnight" and leave.

Why on earth would he play more CD songs if he has no idea when its coming out? What a great idea, leak the whole damn thing before its out. I think he'd like to avoid shooting himself in the foot as much as possible from now on...

[Christos AG]

absolutely not. they only think that it should be a mutual sense of help in the fans community worldwide. it's not about GNR camp, it's about fans, I guess.

What do you mean with "mutual sense of help"?

I really need to understand that...

Cause all I see from their last "press release" and this one is an attack on htgth...

[Mr. Nik™]

What do you mean with "mutual sense of help"?

I really need to understand that...

Cause all I see from their last "press release" and this one is an attack on htgth...

well, I not decided to protest, and I not wrote the statement, then I can only guess (maybe you should write to them if you want clear up)

I guess they think that if some fans got some info they'd should share it with the whole community.

[jarmo]

absolutely not. they only think that it should be a mutual sense of help in the fans community worldwide. it's not about GNR camp, it's about fans, I guess.

So it's not that they want GN'R to tell them information directly without them having to visit other sites such as gunsnroses.com?



And what exactly did I do that excluded these people and built walls between us?

I'm sorry, I don't speak Italian so it's hard for me to communicate with some of them.

We don't have that many members here from places like Italy, Japan, South America etc. GN'R seems to be pretty popular in those countries.

There's that language barrier but I can't really do much about that.

What do you mean with "mutual sense of help"?

I really need to understand that...

Cause all I see from their last "press release" and this one is an attack on htgth...

well, I not decided to protest, and I not wrote the statement, then I can only guess (maybe you should write to them if you want clear up)

I guess they think that if some fans got some info they'd should share it with the whole community.

You're free to post the info provided here anywhere.

All I ask for is that you copy and paste it just like it was posted here and make sure people understand where it came from.

I've seen people getting suspicious of posts on forums because there's no way to check where the info comes from.


Or do these guys expect people like Mysteron (who might not speak Italian) to visit the Italian forum and post there too?



/jarmo

[Lucky]

Some looked tired, but that's understandable when you're used to be in bed by the time GN'R hit the stage.



/jarmo

I think it's standing in line, waiting in the arena, etc, etc, that makes people look tiered. I was getting bashed in the front row 3 hours before the band came on stage... didnt get a drop of water. I think I've earned my right to moan once in a while.

[Christos AG]

What do you mean with "mutual sense of help"?

I really need to understand that...

Cause all I see from their last "press release" and this one is an attack on htgth...

well, I not decided to protest, and I not wrote the statement, then I can only guess (maybe you should write to them if you want clear up)

I guess they think that if some fans got some info they'd should share it with the whole community.

Whatever info htgth gets, they're shared with the community. Should we email all sites with the info as well? Is it THAT difficult to check the first page of the site on a regular basis?

I still don't get the whole protest.

But anyway, it's not like I really care. Each and every one of us is responsible for his/her own actions.

If I had 3000 registered users on my forum I wouldn't use it as a way to force the band into giving me info.

It's fuckin lame.

[jarmo]

One more thing. This is an open board which means anybody can come here and read it. You don't even need to register to read the posts here.

Unless you were registered and got banned.




/jarmo

[Jim Bob]

i agree with christos, trying to force the band to release info is very lame. 

Just let things happen when they happen, because they will when the time is right.   Its not Axl's responsiblity to hold your hand in the meantime.   He said himself in that letter, if you can hang on, great.. if not, its understandable.   The band has booked dates, so they are clearly still active and not just fading away.   Although I have a feeling some of you would rather Axl just go back to his mansion in Malibu and retire forever.  And I wouldn't blame him one bit for doing that.