The Red Hot Chili Peppers thread

[Jim Bob]

Anyone heard Wet Sand?

I can so imagine Finck playing that last solo.

I thought the same thing the first time I heard it.

Is there a bigger poser on the planet than Robin Finck?

yes there is.   you.

[Butch Français]

D, you're nuts as always.
BSSM is THE absolute funk-punk masterpiece!
I'll take songs like 'the power of equality', 'breaking the girl', 'funky monks', suck my kiss', I could have lied',  'mellowship slinky in B major', 'blood sugar sex magik' and 'naked in the rain' (+ more) over pretty much anything they have done since. that however doesn't mean I don't like their albums since then, I fucking love them! but BSSM is maybe my fav album ever, so it's gonna take a lot to top that one! SA does come pretty close to it though.

[bazgnr]

I'd take "By the Way" as my favorite, personally. The vocal harmonies and layered songs have really won me over.  BSSM will always be a phenominal album, but I think "By the Way" shows a tremendous amount of growth and complexity.  Given how little I've listened to Arcadium, for me, they may have peaked w/ "By the Way..."

[freedom78]

OK, I've now listened to By the Way and Stadium Arcadium.  I can't honestly say that they're bad.  I'm not sure I ever thought they WERE bad.  But they're just not my thing.  I've been listening to BSSM for a long time now, and it's always gonna be the fundamental Chili Peppers album, to me.  A lot of the arguments on here are based on the idea that the band has grown, matured, etc., and that they're musically superior, now.  This may be, but I would have rather seen them become musically superior by making better FUNKY music.  I have nothing against growth, but as your sound changes, so too does your fanbase.  The new stuff lost me.  To me, these new albums all have the same "mood."  Each song may be good (a few I liked a lot, actually), but as albums, they don't take me anywhere different, from song to song. 

I dunno.   I'm not saying this to criticize anyone who likes the newer stuff.  If you do, I'm glad you've gotten something out of it.  Not my cup o' tea, though.   

[bazgnr]

I get your point, and feel much the same way about BSSM.  However, when I said the more recent albums are "more complex," etc., I wasn't in any way saying that means they're superior to BSSM...just stating reasons why *I* like BTW.  Sex Magic is the album that really announced the band to the world, and there hasn't been another like it since.

[freedom78]

I get your point, and feel much the same way about BSSM.  However, when I said the more recent albums are "more complex," etc., I wasn't in any way saying that means they're superior to BSSM...just stating reasons why *I* like BTW.  Sex Magic is the album that really announced the band to the world, and there hasn't been another like it since.

Sorry...didn't meant to put words in your mouth.  It all really just comes down to taste, I guess. 

[D]

Leave it to Jim Bob Billy Joe to insult someone cause his shitty Hero can try to look like Frusicante but will never be on that level of playing.


Time for u Jim Joe Bob to wake up and realize that Robin isnt Slash or Frusicante, he is a decent rhythm guitarist who butchers solos and is about as original as a Tribute band.


Now to the Chili's


Hillell how am i Nuts for liking BTW and SA better than BSSM?

 I think the overall songs are better. lyrically, musically, melodically and emotionally

Sure BSSM is probably a better party/have a great time to record. But Im in the stage of my life where I love songs I truly relate to and get moved by.

BTW, every song does that, SA the same way.

BSSM is entertaining and is a great album but I dont make the same spiritual and emotiona connections to those songs as I do BTW and SA.

I think BSSM has the AFD syndrome. People grew up with that so its like they dont allow anything to be better. I personally like the Illusions better than Appetite, thats just me.

BTW and SA are way more diverse albums, Lyrically, vocally and melodically kiedis is much better. John's guitar has a lot more layers and is more interesting to me. FLea's bass has also just as good, Chads drumming is as good.


Im not dismissing BSSM or denying its greatness but Ill take BTW and SA over it anyday of the week.

Its all in the taste.

BTW is more of the mellow Chili's though, Outside of Cant Stop there isnt much funk.

But SA has tons of funky songs plus the great mellow stuff.

I like Snow better than Give It Away, I like Wet Sand better than Under the Bridge, thats my personal preference.

some fans hold certain songs on a pedestal and never allow anything to compare, Im not like that.

I think the Chili's have plenty of songs better than Under The Bridge and Give It Away.

[freedom78]

I think BSSM has the AFD syndrome. People grew up with that so its like they dont allow anything to be better. I personally like the Illusions better than Appetite, thats just me.

I can see why you'd say that, and I think it's partially true.  Some people are resistant to change, and want a band to somehow remake the same thing (be it a masterpiece or something mediocre) again and again.  I don't have a problem with change.  I love the Illusions, too (and Appetite, of course), but there are those who think GNR completely "sold out" with those albums (the folks at sleazegrinder, for example).  I'm not concerned with anyone "selling out," but if you change your sound drastically, it can make for a situation where you lose fans, even if you more than replace their numbers. 

For the Chili Peppers, their really early stuff was funky, but maybe not so good as BSSM, where their funk prowess peaked.  They experimented a little on One Hot Minute, and went a little more mellow on Californication.  I liked Californication.  At the time, they hadn't really done anything like that (with the exception of a few tracks on One Hot Minute that were pretty mellow), and it was new, and fresh, and well done.  For me, however, that mood didn't need to be repeated, and the new stuff seems to have gotten more mellow (not BAD...just mellow).  Since my current musical exploration seems to be in metal, this stuff just doesn't really appeal to me right now...a few years from now, who knows? 

Its all in the taste.

Exactly. 

[D]

I can understand why some Chili fans wouldnt be huge fans of BTW as it has absolutely very little funk at all on it.




To me Stadium Arcadium is the best of BSSM mixed with the best of Californication and BTW. there is a little something for everyone on it.


BTW is my favorite cause it came around at the exact moment in my life where it spoke to  me most.

I had lost a fiancee, a child, was miserable and that album gave me hope and spoke to me and helped me heal. so to me it is damn hard to get better than that album just due to the personal meaning it has for me.

Breaking The GIrl and I could have lied are great slower songs, but arent as good as  Venice Queen, Tear, Dont FOrget me, Dosed and Zephyr in my opinion.

THen on STadium Arcadium I like SA,Slow Cheetah,Wet Sand,DesecrationSmile, Hard To COncentrate,She Looks to Me, IF and Death Of a Martian better than Breaking and I could have lied.

[freedom78]

BTW is my favorite cause it came around at the exact moment in my life where it spoke to  me most.

Sometimes that's all it takes.  This is why I try to not criticize people for what they listen to (though I do occasionally rant about the current state of music).  You never know WHY someone likes what they like.  Sometimes it's about memories, good or bad, and other times it's just music that speaks to your soul.  RHCP has managed to stay successful through many trends (fads) in music, and I believe it's because they're talented.  Other artists stay current by peddling music that isn't up to what they used to produce (I'm lookin' at you, Jon).  I think that's why many of us are on this board.  We realize it isn't about putting out product for the sake of putting it out.  I can tolerate a decade long wait, because I know when I finally get my copy of Chinese Democracy, it won't have been put out for the hell of it or because Axl needed the $$$.  If you make good music because you love to, that's good enough for me. 

[bazgnr]

I get your point, and feel much the same way about BSSM.? However, when I said the more recent albums are "more complex," etc., I wasn't in any way saying that means they're superior to BSSM...just stating reasons why *I* like BTW.? Sex Magic is the album that really announced the band to the world, and there hasn't been another like it since.

Sorry...didn't meant to put words in your mouth.? It all really just comes down to taste, I guess.?

I didn't think you were...just wanted to clarify!     

[Jim Bob]

Time for u Jim Joe Bob to wake up and realize that Robin isnt Slash or Frusicante, he is a decent rhythm guitarist who butchers solos and is about as original as a Tribute band.

dont try to argue this with me until you've actually seen the guy play for yourself.   you dont know shit.   the only poser here is you, the guy insulting the lead guitarist of the band this very board was made to support.

[Alan]

To me Stadium Arcadium is the best of BSSM mixed with the best of Californication and BTW. there is a little something for everyone on it.

the funk backbone of BSSM, the more mellow style of cali and the more complex layered style of BTW

added to the fact then john had decided to go with the hendrix style of recording and turned the studio into a giant guitar effect.

i can't understand a guitarist not loving this album.

to quote europe's biggest guitar mag. "guitar players are not going to be dissapointed with this album"

there were 2 issues with big john interviews in a while back, i seem to have lost one of them, but there's alot of interesting stuff said in the second one. also it's got mr brownstone, can i play with madness and some other songs i couldn't care less about tabbed in it.

[WeHeldTogether]

Finck is awesome.
Frusciante is awesome.

They are both guitarists who draw on emotion for playing guitar solos instead of just playing quickly.  We already know about Frusciante, now go look up Robin's solo from 12-19-06 at the Gibson Ampitheatre.  AMAZING shit.

[D]

This board was made for Finck?

I thought it was for Guns N Roses or Axl?


Finck is good but He hasnt even released a fucking album yet, So  cant put him in a class with Slash and John Frusiciante, guys who have fucking DONE IT. Finck hasnt done shit yet.

ONce CD comes out, if it kicks ass, u can then mention his name but until then U CANT cause u have no criteria but he playing a bunch of fuckin cover songs.

He has to do more than "Better" to be anywhere near the same level of a legend as Frusiciante or Slash.


I use to be a HUGE FAN of the New GNR band, but posters like Jim Bob and others make it hard for me to support this band cause of their ignorance.

When someone can claim Bumble foot is better than Slash, I just shake my head and log off the fuckin computer cause that kind of ignorance cannot even be responded to.

[mrlee]

jesus christ finck is the most boring guitarist guns have had, his solos are boring, his image is boring, hes boring.

The band only need ron and richard.

back onto chilli peppers, i dont think finck, a person who specialised in industrial styled guitar playing can be compared to a funk guitarist.

[D]

jesus christ finck is the most boring guitarist guns have had, his solos are boring, his image is boring, hes boring.

The band only need ron and richard.

back onto chilli peppers, i dont think finck, a person who specialised in industrial styled guitar playing can be compared to a funk guitarist.

we agree on something! The world is fuckin ending!

[Jim Bob]

I use to be a HUGE FAN of the New GNR band, but posters like Jim Bob and others make it hard for me to support this band cause of their ignorance.

then find another band, and find another fucking board.  Robin is GNR's guitarist.   You are trashing him and its fucking ignrorant to do on a GUNS N ROSES FAN BOARD.

[D]

This is the Bad Obsession for "OTHER BANDS" not the GNR section


Why someone would bring Finck up in a Chili Pepper discussion is beyond me anyway.

U find another board.............. *Prays to the internet Gods*


Robin is AXL's guitarist.

[Jim Bob]

Robin is AXL's guitarist.

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