Frank and BBF

[BBF Rocks]

For those who like to read into things:

Brain's website


Listen to the background music and plot out a theory. It might have something to do with GNR... or not.

 

haha, i seriously doubt that has to do with brain, maybe buckethead
but i doubt that since they are close friends... still funny shit though

[Jackamo!]

For those who like to read into things:

Brain's website


Listen to the background music and plot out a theory. It might have something to do with GNR... or not.

 

Yeah we found a secret Chris Pitman mention on that site once.

[sic.]

The image of Pitman ('Dude') or his message on Brain being converted to YASI?

[WARose]

leave it at that slipdisc...  he`s not worth the time

[BBF Rocks]

leave it at that slipdisc...? he`s not worth the time

no, i enjoy seeing slipdisc humiliating people with no clue

[Slipdisc]

Haha I see you respond to every point but never bring about any information whatsoever.

Says the hypocrite who is under the impression that making one generic post after the other, providing no argumentation whatsoever, merely resorting to calling people ignorant in dire need of a coherent thought. You have no clue whether I provided information. Because you?re too afraid to be confronted (=read) with somebody discrediting what we all know (including you) is assbackwards bullshit.

Want to know how I can come to such a bold conclusion (about you not reading)?

Look:

I think its funny that you ever try to argue that BBF is nearly as well accepted as BH.? Ok, how about this since you claim you have them, show me some lists that have BBF on them.

?
Now look what I posted in my PREVIOUS post the one, according to you, contained no information:

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_guitar-metal.html

The difference is that the collective that was responsible for the DreamDoor-lists, being far from perfect. Have a set of criteria, depicting popularity, of which it?s clear (by the other names mentioned) it is the more (musically) educated, less shallow and especially broader orientated one.

However, like I said before (again in the post with no information, lol), I could care less about lists. For every music taste you can find a list that supports it, if you look long enough. I only care about being educated about ones dislikes and likes and that?s where you are a schoolbook example of a hypocrite. Not knowing anything about the people you either adore or diss, yet using some of the silliest and unfounded rhetoric ever uttered on this board.

I was at the Cleveland show where it was the worst.? Ron definitely got booed and in 2002 at the show there were almost as much Buckethead chants as GNR chants.? There was a very large audience at the front wearing KFC buckets on their head.

Again, back it up. As long as it?s you repeating the same sentence over and over again you are making about as ?much? ?sense? (lol, there?s a euphemism) as during one of the first times I got a taste of your incredible assbackwards powers in this thread (to this day still one of the jewels in HTGTH-history). Where you were literally asking people to stop singing along during concerts, lol. Get some sort of perspective on reality.

Buckethead misses a lot less notes, i mean seriously you can view the videos on youtube, just go look at them and listen.

And I disagree. He doesn't miss notes more often. Again, like I said in ?the post with no information?, Ron doesn?t need to turn into a Buckethead playback machine. He has the right to have his own take on note selection, just like Buckethead made his own choices. It?s incredibly weak to time and time again try to turn mere stylistic differences into so called flaws just to support one?s own wishful thinking. Ron plays some of the meanest most fluid playing this band has ever produced.
 

Also if you read any of the articles by masters about Buckethead most jsut deal with the fact that he is weird and odd, very few of them actually comment on his proficiency, in fact most articles about how great he is seem to have been writting when BH was in his last teens and just sending demos out to different guitar magazines.

Bollocks. Very many masters from, Gilbert to Cooley, have commented on Bucket?s technical proficiency. Serious dude, what the fuck are you talking about? Are we discussing the same people here?

however, I found that sounded like bad Mr. Bungle and i really had no desire to listen to it.

Yeah, we all got a taste of your extensive exploration of his discography in your previous post when you summarized a guys work (spanning from nouveau flamenco to punk) as nu-metal. It?s pretty clear that you?re only desire lies in supporting your own fantasies.

This guys music has been compared to "Weird Al Yankovich" more than once.

How about this, show me a legitimate magazine or reviewer who liked BBF's music.

How about you invest some time in finding them yourself, instead of relying on a strange mix of ignorance and uneducated guesses to shamefully discredit something you don?t know or understand? Don?t be so arrogant to assume I would invest one more minute of my time, trying to convince you. Everything is out there, and has been there for more than a decade. I provided this board (and you in these two posts) with enough information on numerous occasions. I have never seen critics refer to "Weird Al Yankovich", when confronted with Ron?s work. The one person to whom Ron?s incredible musicianship constantly gets compared is Frank Zappa, one of the biggest geniuses we had in the past century.

They may exist, i dont think ive ever stumbled upon them.

That?s because you weren?t looking for them. You were too busy ventilating prejudicial nonsense. What would you have done if you had found them? Change your mind? Seems a pretty far stretch to me.

You wrote that entire message and actually managed to say nothing.

And since we all could see that you: A) didn?t read 85% of it, B) didn?t understand the other 15%, C) resort to using the same pathetic rhetoric without any argumentation, D) couldn?t find a clue during clue mating season in a field of clues, if you smeared your body in musk and did the clue mating dance ? we all know how foolish that statement actually is. Thank you for being so transparent. If you have something to add to all of this, start actually reading my posts and start responding (unlike so far) to them (like I showed respect in extensively responding to your ?thoughts?). Instead giving me the same prejudicial and ignorant treatment you have been giving both Ron and Buckethead here.

-PEACE-

Ps.

leave it at that slipdisc...? he`s not worth the time

Lol, you?re probably right??

[AxlRose4eva1]

I did provide plenty of evidence, you provided one poll.  I am not spending the time to comment on your opinions because they disagree with logic, lets talk about the one list you provided as evidence.

The most telling thing about this list is that if you click on the "Greatest Frontmen of Rock" Axl is 32 behind the likes of Chuck D of public enemy and Madonna.  Nice source their bud, yeah they really have strong criteria.  Madonna apparently is a better rock frontman than Axl... great source, but since you trust so highly in the lists criteria i highly suggest you go check out the Material Girls forums. 

Rest of your points are as illogical as the lists on the site you quoted.  (btw they had Slash at 42? really doubt gnr fans will buy into that one.)

[BBF Rocks]

slipdisc, keep in mind that you are debating the same guy who not only told people to stop singing along to songs at concerts, but yesterday managed to claim axl is only after money (we can all see axl has been spewing out half-assed albums for the past 14 years just to make cash), so don't expect a healthy debate with him. bumblefoot is a perfect replacement for buckethead, and perhaps one of the few people axl could have gotten a hold of that can actually make a good replacement for buckethead, possibly even better!

[Bruno Poeys]

slipdisc, keep in mind that you are debating the same guy who not only told people to stop singing along to songs at concerts, but yesterday managed to claim axl is only after money (we can all see axl has been spewing out half-assed albums for the past 14 years just to make cash), so don't expect a healthy debate with him. bumblefoot is a perfect replacement for buckethead, and perhaps one of the few people axl could have gotten a hold of that can actually make a good replacement for buckethead, possibly even better!

this guy was bitching when bbf joined the band as well. He didn't know bbf's work, he doesnt know and he still talks. He loves being owned, lol. He isn't that intelligent I can see. He keeps getting owned and still keeps talking about what he has no clue.
then, after all that, he thinks that he is intelligent and everyone here "don't use logic".

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Do we know for sure that BH's parts has been removed? My feeling is that his parts have been duplicated by BBF (bumble has been in the band for a while now) for replacement. I highly doubt Axl will re-work BH parts.

I doubt that very much.  That would be absolutely pointless because if Bumblefoot simple re-recorded Bucket's parts, Bucket would still have to receive writing credits and still get paid so it doesn't serve any purpose

The only way to keep Bucket from getting writing credits and royalties would be to delete everything he wrote and re-record it entirely.  Not only would that be a potentially lengthy process, it would also be a damn shame.  His TWAT solo is one of the best GnR solos of all time

[Slipdisc]

I did provide plenty of evidence, you provided one poll. ?

You provided shit. I provided you with tons of argumentation, however you?re too much of a coward to respectfully respond to any of it. Just some wishful thinking and one generic remark after the other. First you introduce the assbackwards concept of using half assed lists to somehow prove a point, to support your own wishful thinking. When I present you with another list (because it?s clear you need them, to define your taste in music), you start attacking me on it. Dissecting it, like it?s some sort of essential pillar under my rhetoric.

I told you time and time again that I don?t care for any list coming from anybody, whether it?s yours or mine. Lists are for people who have no argumentation concerning their likes and dislikes, looking for something to cling onto. People who mistake popularity with quality and let their own definition of quality being defined by a bunch of strangers. Strangers of whom they hope and think they know more about the topic at hand. Lists are for people like you.

I am not spending the time to comment on your opinions because they disagree with logic,

You?re not responding (just like this post of yours is in no way a response to anything) because you can?t, simple as that. You can only maintain yourself in discussion where spreading vast amounts of ignorance is a forte.

lets talk about the one list you provided as evidence.

Like I told you before, I?m not going to respond to your pathetic analysis of a list I don?t care about in the first place. For every taste, there?s a list to out there that can support it. The only reason the list was mentioned was because you needed it so badly (as you?re whole rhetoric is based on it).

Rest of your points are as illogical as the lists on the site you quoted.

As long as you are unable to put any backbone behind such a bold claim, you?re sounding like a complete crybaby. How about you finally responding to any of them, instead of fleeing like a first class coward or blatantly making up points (like the list bullshit) you can work with, but in no way represent the other?s opinion? Again, good luck with responding to any of my previous posts.

So far, you suck at it.

-PEACE-

Ps.

slipdisc, keep in mind that you are debating the same guy who not only told people to stop singing along to songs at concerts, but yesterday managed to claim axl is only after money (we can all see axl has been spewing out half-assed albums for the past 14 years just to make cash), so don't expect a healthy debate with him. bumblefoot is a perfect replacement for buckethead, and perhaps one of the few people axl could have gotten a hold of that can actually make a good replacement for buckethead, possibly even better!

Don?t worry, I know who he is. It?s funny to see him twist and turn and grasp for straws, but now I?m done. Looking at the time it takes for him to respond to anything, he should be busy answering my previous posts (and this one) until next year. I?m not going to give him the satisfaction of yet again responding to his clueless BS, while he totally ignores everything and starts making up points. He really enjoys being owned (probably because it's a feeling he knows all too well), therefore I'm not going to provide in his masochistic needs.

[AxlRose4eva1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtc6E02_rqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqrFesMGtvA

Well I prefer to let the music stand for itself, the reason i can only comment on your poll is because you have no arguments.  Its really quite humorous.  I mean if this is a competition for most profanity, you win.  I tend to just have conversations without saying baseless personal attacks.  It takes a real hard ass to do that on the net.  Not much to respond to when 95% of the persons post is the word "assbackwards" how about you post one critic, musicians, or polls opinion that has BBF above BH.  You posted one, but it also said Chuck D was a better rock frontman than Axl so i highly mistrust that.  I understand youre probably like 15 and have a bunch of built up sexual tension and you have no way of release, my suggestion is to not use the message boards as a place to get rid of anger, but rather get a girlfriend or play a sport.

To me BBF's solos live sound like just noise, i know some people liked his Dont Cry, i must not have gotten it.  BH's sounded great.  I dont judge by jus t popularity, but something is to be said of it when two artists are in the same genre and one is headling US tours and the other is playing 300 person capacity clubs..  If you read a bit in depth youd see i didnt say "i hate bbf" or he shouldnt be in the band.  It simply said I dont think he should be on the album unless he is totally needed.  I also said I really hope BH's parts arent taken off.

If you concentrated more on reading other posts rather than writing assbackwards 50 times you would see I even said BBF and Frank are better for GNR.

Maybe rather than using your adolescent rage on this message board you should develop a hobby like porn.  Also if anyone couldnt tell the post about people not singing was a total joke, I merely found it funny that people took it so seriously.  I was joking about how every bootleg had some drunked guy mumbling the words to the song. 

Also if someone uses the phrase "owned" they are under 17 and have never had sex im pretty sure its a biological fact.

[Cjc1706]

hmm well the clip of rons solo isnt the best in the world, as its just from a cam,  but BH's is from a soundboard .....

Id go with BBF personally being better

CJ

[BBF Rocks]

Also if someone uses the phrase "owned" they are under 17 and have never had sex im pretty sure its a biological fact.

what has that got to do with it?
sounds like the insecure one is you
"oh i'm so cool i've had sex" - now that's the thoughts of a 17 year old
but i wouldn't expect anything else coming from you
you just get sadder and sadder
stop sonning yourself before you get hurt

[AxlRose4eva1]

Also if someone uses the phrase "owned" they are under 17 and have never had sex im pretty sure its a biological fact.

what has that got to do with it?
sounds like the insecure one is you
"oh i'm so cool i've had sex" - now that's the thoughts of a 17 year old
but i wouldn't expect anything else coming from you
you just get sadder and sadder
stop sonning yourself before you get hurt

Well yeah i know I cant find a good short solo clip of bbf that is proshot thats not Dont Cry, which i wasnt that impressed with, if you find one of him shredding thats proshot i would actually want to see it.  I saw them live, seen and heard them play and BH to me was clearly better.  Maybe there are critics who liek BBF better, however almost every poll ive seen and most musicians I have heard talk about BH always mention his unique ability on guitar.  Whenever they talk about BBf they always say "Satriani likes him."  I am sure there are people on here who went to both Cleveland shows and they should be able to backup the crowd reaction at the shows.

Ok now onto this post.  I dont know why I reply to it, but its a perfect example of what im talking about.  How am I going to get hurt.  My point about age is the level of the insults and the fact that it has been biologically and socially proven that part of the reason for adolescent rage is due to our biological impulse to have sex at puberty, but society proventing people from having sex.  Now I dont know why I expected you to actually read my post or comprehend basic simple sentences or the fact that I am joking about the level of intellect it takes to say "owned".  The fact that you use the word sonning and you are not referring to the small British town on the Thames just shows the level of your intellect and how fake you are.  Your language is fraudulant and pathetic.  The urban vernacular you use on a Guns N' Roses forum just shows what type of person you are.

Getting mad at a message board is a pure cry for help, especially the need to feel superior to others. If you arent getting the love you need in your life there is match.com or Eharmony.com, they will find a partner for anyone. 

If you really feel the need to make baseless threats/insults/cuss words/ ebonics etc... feel free to pm me or instant message me on Aim, Axlrose4eva.  The final semester of LLM classes and clerking for a judge can be quite boring with little to do so I am on quite often.  Seriously though, your comments make very little reference to any issue "Wow I like owning"  "you are getting sonned" etc... are pretty worthless.  I actually would like to discuss Frank and BBF being on the album, if you want to discuss physical or mental altercations thats fine, but lets not do it on this message board in a thread.  Its unfair to others.

[Adam_Guill]

speaking as a musician myself, so i think that makes me a fair judge of their talent. i'll see if i can break it down for you.

Bumblefoot

bumblefoot has a lot more creativity and musicality in his playing.
has a more diverse varieties of style to his playing,
shreds at a higher NPS,
can play faster than the human ear can hear.
has a lovely singing voice.
fresh pine scent
enemy of cobra

Buckethead

Wears a bucket on his head.
has rough sex with other men


there, hope that helps

[gummyfish]

Maybe one of the most ignorant posts i have ever seen.

The fact that you need such assbackwards bullshit to make a half assed point, shows how much you are grasping for straws. Get some perspective before turning into some sort of crybaby who, in desperate need of argumentation, decides to call people ignorant. Show me what in my previous posts was untrue or ignorant, or leave the generic provocative nonsense at the door. I merely summed up some of Ron?s amazing abilities and achievements, it?s there for everybody to verify. I can?t help it that you have no perspective on what has been going on in the virtuoso scene in the past decade.

I cannot someone actually tried to argue that Ron is anywhere close to as proficient as BH on guitar.?

Believe it or not, but many people think that Ron is technically more proficient than Buckethead. He has crazier more exotic chops, seems to play less patterns and has some skills (like ?absolute pitch?) which are a huge advantages. Next to all the other things I?ve mentioned about him, he (for what it?s freakin? worth, but you seem to hold it in high regards) recorded faster sequences than Buckethead. He is a fretless master which tells you a lot about how incredibly developed his picking hand is (for exact positioning and shifts).

Just listen to the bootlegs, BH doesnt miss a note on anything,

Buckethead misses his share of notes as well. The man is human, just like Ron. Next to all of this, Ron has every right to make Bucket?s solo his own. He doesn?t need to copy them one on one. It?s pretty weak to interpret mere stylistic differences as flaws, just to deform reality until it seems to fit with ones prejudicial bullshit.

Ron shreds and it sounds like a mess compared to BH.

Maybe you have an assbwackwards definition of a ?mess??

I am so sick of people saying BBF has Joe Satriani's approval, since when did Satriani become the basis of all guitar judgement.?

Since when is your ego inflated to the point that next to randomly calling fellow posters ignorant, you decided you were a better judge of guitar brilliance than Satriani?

So the guy is friends with Satriani, who cares.? BH in #8 on Guitar One's top shredders of all time http://www.randyciak.com/guitar/top_shredders_of_all_time.htm, notice how no one mentions BBF.?

Now I get it, you?re one of these popularity equals quality kind of types. That explains a lot. So you dismiss Satriani, but hold some list that reflects the interest of some on tempo-fixated mainstream guitar geeks as the gospel? But not only that, you totally delude yourself by using a list that (uneducated, which is illustrated by some of the other names like ?the Great Kat?) makes assumption based solely on the element ?tempo? to rate a player?s overall abilities and make some half assed point towards another? Very shallow! But hey, it?s not me introducing bullshit lists to make some sort of point and since you seem to get a kick out of them, here?s another list:

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_guitar-metal.html

The difference is that the the collective that was responsible for the DreamDoor-lists, being far from perfect. Have a set of criteria, depicting popularity, of which it?s clear (by the other names mentioned) it is the more (musically) educated, less shallow and especially broader orientated one.

 

Guitar Player magazine consistently listed BH on their top 30 trailblazers and best experimental guitarist lists.

And I could show you tons of lists with Ron on them, but in the end your lists as well as mine are about as relevant as the concept of collectively establishing whether red is a nicer color than blue. What?s important is that you are educated about your likes and dislikes. That?s where you start grasping for silly straws about list, mysterious missed notes, speed and call people ignorant who where already listening to these people when you didn?t even realize you were sharing the same planet with them.

I have heard BBF's albums they are nu-metal schlock and impossible to get through.

Lol, nu-metal? Here you have a guy who explored everything in his work from nouveau flamenco, via blues, metal, punk to neo classicism, but you can only qualify it as nu-metal? Lol, you clearly haven?t heard anything.

I really dont get your argument or how you could say he is nearly as clean or technically proficient.

I know you don?t get it. That?s why it?s so assbackwards for you to call anybody ignorant.

BBF never has done anything close to the end of TWAT.

And since it?s pretty clear by now that your ignorance on BBF is encyclopedic, something tells me you are shortsighted yet again.

Also you want to know why all these guitar "masters" dont come out and talk about BH, its because hes nuts. He pisses people off cause he does things his own way.

Lol plenty of ?masters? have commented on Buckethead. Both Buckethead and BBF have earned tons of praises from fellow virtuosos. Don?t worry I had a feeling that you weren?t that well educated on Buckethead as well.

Its not even worth arguing since you can just look at their careers, even before GNR BH was well known and well respected.

Just like Bumblefoot. Don?t project your ignorance on others, we can?t help it that you were living under a rock during the past decade.

His solo cds sell very well, BBF was playing in 300 person capacity night clubs in Jersey.? Popularity doesnt always mean everything, but most impartial people realize the amazing talent of BH.?

Both Buckethead and BBF are cult heroes. They don?t attract the so called impartial crowd. People with virtuoso guitar playing on their minds go to them and neither one of them is selling out stadiums by doing so. As a matter of fact quite a lot of people seem to enjoy both players for similar reasons.

Also I didnt hear many people moan and groan when BH did his solo's in fact I saw a ton of people at the concerts cheering for it.? WHen BBF came out to do solos at the concerts I went to he got Booed.

Lol, back it up. I followed the past tour closely and saw them live too. I really can?t remember people booing Ron (at least not more than Buckethead was booed in the beginning), just increasing approval and respect. I don?t care about some sort of fantasy you have about the show you were at, it?s pretty obvious to me that you?re one of these people who only see those things that suit their wishful thinking. In that context one booing drunk person quickly becomes a whole stadium.

-PEACE-

wow. he just tore him a new hole. then raped and shat in that hole.
although you used the word "assbackwards" to much, gummyfish gives his approal.

                                            --gummyfish--

[Krispy Kreme]

Why do people think it makes any sense that Brain would give up the most lucrative part of the tour to just hang out with a new born baby. ?Women haev babies all the time and husbands don't take off 6 months to stay at home. ?I think its pretty obvious that Brain has been replaced. ?My gut is that Brain was a little too "cool" for GnR and never gave it his full heart and soul. ?I highly doubt Brain resurfaces with GnR. ?

That is a very good point. I guess we will see.
Not sure what you mean, though, by "too cool."

[Adam_Guill]

Why do people think it makes any sense that Brain would give up the most lucrative part of the tour to just hang out with a new born baby.  Women haev babies all the time and husbands don't take off 6 months to stay at home.  I think its pretty obvious that Brain has been replaced.  My gut is that Brain was a little too "cool" for GnR and never gave it his full heart and soul.  I highly doubt Brain resurfaces with GnR. 

That is a very good point. I guess we will see.
Not sure what you mean, though, by "too cool."

hell no he would take time off to hang out with some fucking baby, babies are fucking boring

[Krispy Kreme]

Why do people think it makes any sense that Brain would give up the most lucrative part of the tour to just hang out with a new born baby.? Women haev babies all the time and husbands don't take off 6 months to stay at home.? I think its pretty obvious that Brain has been replaced.? My gut is that Brain was a little too "cool" for GnR and never gave it his full heart and soul.? I highly doubt Brain resurfaces with GnR.?

That is a very good point. I guess we will see.
Not sure what you mean, though, by "too cool."

hell no he would take time off to hang out with some fucking baby, babies are fucking boring

No, they are not boring. They are noisy and annoying, and shit all the time.