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[pilferk]

Agreed. Why wouldn't the record company confirm that they have the album? It makes absolutley no sense not to. It's free promotion. Sure they don't do it for every record but every other record doesn't take 10+ years to record...
 

Because that's just not the way a label operates.  It's just not.....

They're a corporation.  Everything comes through a mouthpiece, and in corporate speak.  To Universal Music/Interscope/Geffen, no matter HOW much we want otherwise, this is just another product to earn revenue on.  They don't care that we want to know more information, quicker.  They don't look at it as "free promotion".  They'll tell us something when it behooves them to do so, so they can get the cash in our wallets without it costing them too much to do.

[pilferk]

Since Axl gave a tentative date of March 6th I imagine Universal must be getting requests from all over the place (magazines, radio, tv, billboard, record stores etc.) wanting to know if it's indeed true. I would think somebody would let out a "things are finally looking good" or something if it were to be the case.

That's just the way it works. A friend tells a friend, if there's anything to be told.

Hopefully that may happen.  We'll have to wait and see.  I don't think enough time has passed to assume it would have happened already, and I'm not sure there is enough "hardcore" press coverage to even think anyone reputable from the press has asked the question yet.

[pilferk]

Just an FYI. I have a contact at Universal that claims as of this morning that the record hasn't been turned into Interscope yet and the album has yet to appear on their schedule.

The album, from what I've heard, would go to Geffen, no?  Now that they're doing their own A&R stuff?

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

I think that the March 6th date is still possible. With that said though, I dont think Axl ever intended on releasing it on March 6 and thats why he said tentative. I think that he is more shooting for the March 20th date that Merck suggested in his letter. Also, I agree with pilferk and believe that everything is going right along schedule.  He cancelled those show dates because they were interfering with the scheduling, around that time is when Axl started to do what needed to be done. And we got confirmation of that because he has been in Vegas and NYC. So I believe that everything is going on schedule and we will see the album in the month of March.

[pilferk]

pilferk, last year alone should be evidence enough that march the 6th is just hopeless.

Why so?

Nothing last year appears to be compelling evidence that speaks to THIS specific situation. 

It sounds like Axl's plan WAS to have the album out by the end of the year...and he removed the "cause" (well, the buck stops here cause) of the delay.

The fact he missed the "end of year" date isn't particularly compelling evidence he'll miss this one.  Certainly not categoric evidence.

He might...but it will have nothing to do with what occurred last year so, other than to show he's been wrong before (we all have, right?)...what does last year PROVE?

I'd like evidence, not just vague accusations of him being wrong before.  Prove that March 6th can't, absolutely can not, happen. Please.  I'm certainly willing to change my mind with some concrete proof.....

[ppbebe]

I think his taunting irked Axl somewhat and lit a fire under his ass to go out and do something. 

Almost the reverse was the case, IMO.

Slash Says All Is Fine With Velvet Revolver
We had a lot of business issues that we had to deal with. We had a lot of personal issues we had to deal with. We had people come out of the woodwork trying to sort of wreck the band, and issues that were sort of...we hadn't predicted. We didn't things to happen. There was some old Guns N' Roses things that came up, that reared its head, that was really ugly. But we hung in there and that makes us stronger as a group. Basically everybody survived it, and we're that much stronger for it, and we've made an amazing record, so it's all good."

just so you know, axl's "chinese democracy" is never going to be released.  how many dates have been promised?  for how many years?  yeah... i'm sensing a trend here.

How many actual, concrete dates?  And not vague "around", "hopefully's", and generalizations?

One.

which is a tentative one not concrete yet.

[ppbebe]

march 6 is a tentative date that they try their best to meet.

The point is that they are releasing it on around the day, if not on the exact day, in this spring, and they are serious.

[mcalldp]

pilferk, last year alone should be evidence enough that march the 6th is just hopeless.

Why so?

Nothing last year appears to be compelling evidence that speaks to THIS specific situation. 

It sounds like Axl's plan WAS to have the album out by the end of the year...and he removed the "cause" (well, the buck stops here cause) of the delay.

The fact he missed the "end of year" date isn't particularly compelling evidence he'll miss this one.  Certainly not categoric evidence.

He might...but it will have nothing to do with what occurred last year so, other than to show he's been wrong before (we all have, right?)...what does last year PROVE?

I'd like evidence, not just vague accusations of him being wrong before.  Prove that March 6th can't, absolutely can not, happen. Please.  I'm certainly willing to change my mind with some concrete proof.....

I may be wrong but thhink the original poster was using the logic that Axl's history with stuff like this regarding CD goes back far enough to create a track-record, which while PROVING nothing about the up and coming date of March 6th does give pause with using the one-bitten-twice-shy logic. I don't see anything wrong with taking into account ones track record; that's why I won;t get excited about CD until it's actually in my hands, asking for dissapointment otherwise.
~sHrUg

[pilferk]

which is a tentative one not concrete yet.

Right, I should have been clearer.

Concrete in structure (a day, month, and year) not in it's definitiveness.

[Will]

Yes, I'm more confident about a spring release.

[pilferk]

I may be wrong but thhink the original poster was using the logic that Axl's history with stuff like this regarding CD goes back far enough to create a track-record, which while PROVING nothing about the up and coming date of March 6th does give pause with using the one-bitten-twice-shy logic. I don't see anything wrong with taking into account ones track record; that's why I won;t get excited about CD until it's actually in my hands, asking for dissapointment otherwise.
~sHrUg

And with that, I agree.  Cautious pessimism, I understand.  Not getting excited, I understand. 

But to definitively say "March 6th absolutely can't happen because Axl's been wrong, a lot, in the past and everyone who thinks it can happen is crazy"....that, I don't understand.  Because it doesn't make any sense.

[polluxlm]

I don't see anything wrong with taking into account ones track record; that's why I won;t get excited about CD until it's actually in my hands, asking for dissapointment otherwise.
~sHrUg

Important point right there. This might be the first 'date' he's ever given us, but it's still just Axl running his mouth. The past should have thought us that until Universal comes out saying 'ladies and gentlemen, we got it!" or you actually hold the thing in your own hands there's really nothing, and I mean nothing, to be excited about.

[madagas]

I will admit that I too am pessimistic with regards to Axl's track record with this album. However, I am not one to dwell on the past. It is over and what was said then is meaningless today. People do change and I am confident we will hear something from the camp in the near future. Hopefully, it is positive.

[pilferk]

Important point right there. This might be the first 'date' he's ever given us, but it's still just Axl running his mouth. The past should have thought us that until Universal comes out saying 'ladies and gentlemen, we got it!" or you actually hold the thing in your own hands there's really nothing, and I mean nothing, to be excited about.

One important difference is....it's him running his PEN, this time, not his mouth.  Maybe that's inconsequential, but this "open letter" was more Press Release than off the cuff interview.  IMHO (and only that), that adds a bit more weight to his words.  That's not to say there isn't some doubt on my part.  There is....

But this is as categoric as he's been about CD.

[Big Gun]

pilferk, last year alone should be evidence enough that march the 6th is just hopeless.

Why so?

Nothing last year appears to be compelling evidence that speaks to THIS specific situation.?

It sounds like Axl's plan WAS to have the album out by the end of the year...and he removed the "cause" (well, the buck stops here cause) of the delay.

The fact he missed the "end of year" date isn't particularly compelling evidence he'll miss this one.? Certainly not categoric evidence.

He might...but it will have nothing to do with what occurred last year so, other than to show he's been wrong before (we all have, right?)...what does last year PROVE?

I'd like evidence, not just vague accusations of him being wrong before.? Prove that March 6th can't, absolutely can not, happen. Please.? I'm certainly willing to change my mind with some concrete proof.....

I may be wrong but thhink the original poster was using the logic that Axl's history with stuff like this regarding CD goes back far enough to create a track-record, which while PROVING nothing about the up and coming date of March 6th does give pause with using the one-bitten-twice-shy logic. I don't see anything wrong with taking into account ones track record; that's why I won;t get excited about CD until it's actually in my hands, asking for dissapointment otherwise.
~sHrUg

you're spot on, thats what i meant. the track record is important in building trust.

[polluxlm]

Important point right there. This might be the first 'date' he's ever given us, but it's still just Axl running his mouth. The past should have thought us that until Universal comes out saying 'ladies and gentlemen, we got it!" or you actually hold the thing in your own hands there's really nothing, and I mean nothing, to be excited about.

One important difference is....it's him running his PEN, this time, not his mouth.? Maybe that's inconsequential, but this "open letter" was more Press Release than off the cuff interview.? IMHO (and only that), that adds a bit more weight to his words.? That's not to say there isn't some doubt on my part.? There is....

But this is as categoric as he's been about CD.

Valid point, and probably the only thing that still sparks some hope with me. That being said, if the next statement from him is anything but a concrete, solid and official date my faith is done with. He went all-in this time around, and if he folds that one as well I don't see any reason for anyone to believe this is actually happening in any forseeable future.

[VolcomStone]

i'm just saying that the odds are highly in favor of axl's album not being released this year.  you don't believe me?  fine... i'll come back in six weeks and we'll see what excuse axl's come up with by then.  i don't really understand why you guys care so much about this guy.  he's an aging singer from the 80s who is only in the business for the money (if you really think he cares about the music then don't you think he would be, oh i don't know... MAKING MUSIC??).

[misterID]

I really do think he intended to release it in 2006, which makes me pretty confident about 2007.

[pilferk]

Valid point, and probably the only thing that still sparks some hope with me. That being said, if the next statement from him is anything but a concrete, solid and official date my faith is done with. He went all-in this time around, and if he folds that one as well I don't see any reason for anyone to believe this is actually happening in any forseeable future.

I agree.  He definitely went all in....and I think he knows it.  That, too, is one of the reasons I lend a bit of credence to his words on this one.  He's used up about all the "capital" he has with the entire industry, not to mention their fan base.

If he folds, I won't "not believe" him in the future....I'll pretty much adopt the same position I do now:  Its interesting, it's plausible, until it's not...but nothing is final until the label weighs in with a date.

[Freya]

What I meant is that if Interscope already had the album for a few weeks and sent it to mass production (which logically should be the case if 03.06 is still up), one would think they would have started the promotion and tried to release a single. I didn't mean that they would publish a press release stating: "That's it guys! We've got the masters!"

You shouldn't apologize, what you meant is clear to most people.  If and when Interscope has the album there will be some information floating around that will confirm that fact.  That's just the way it is.  Especially considering the industry joke that CD is in some circles.....someone would talk or some bit of business concerning the album would leak on the net.  You can't deny that.  Nothing means they have squat.