(Insert number here) weeks left

[pilferk]

So, I suppose it's now safe to say that the guy from mygnr.com who had like 5000 posts who stated we would hear a song or something this week was either full of $hit or plans have changed. I'm not banking on it by any means but I'm still praying for some super bowl or MLB promotion.   

Well, there's always today (it' only 9AM on the east coast)...but yeah, it's probably safe to say.

[Lesty]

I can tell you that I've seen the Sunday Newspaper advertising Circular for March 4th for the major retailer I work for and there is currently no space alloted for our mention of GnR (and I would know about it, as I'm connected to the entertainment dept.).
Now this ad is still in progress, and doesn't hit the printers for another 10 days or so. Still, if the label had the CD and was aiming at 3/6, they would have negotiated a feature space on the CD page to promote it.
Like I said, there's still time to change (and titles move in and out of the ad at the last minute all the time) but it's highly unlikely that 3/6 is the date.

[Freya]

It's you who needs to apply a little common sense....and perhaps do some research into how the process works.

Give me a break, it's called denial,.... you're in it.  As Spring approaches, you can keep telling me how wrong I am, with nothing to show for it.

[pilferk]

It's you who needs to apply a little common sense....and perhaps do some research into how the process works.

Give me a break, it's called denial,.... you're in it.  As Spring approaches, you can keep telling me how wrong I am, with nothing to show for it.

Whether the album actually makes it's date or not won't effect how flawed your logic is...or how your assertions demonstrate a fundamental lack of knowledge on how the process works.

You choose to be pessemistic.  That's the long and short of it...you can rail against it all you want.  It's not going to change things one bit.  And when called on it, you elect to become combative, rather than offering up anything close to reasonable discourse.

'Nuff said.

[Big Gun]

i see that some people have been here for years, and to still believe on the 06/03/2007 release its just  beyond me. forget for an instant what happened before 2006, now think how many times the man himself said that the album will be out by the end of 2006-there is audio and video proof in case someone is doubting what im saying. the people who believe in axls letter regarding the album release, to me its just pure blind faith.       

[pilferk]

i see that some people have been here for years, and to still believe on the 06/03/2007 release its just  beyond me. forget for an instant what happened before 2006, now think how many times the man himself said that the album will be out by the end of 2006-there is audio and video proof in case someone is doubting what im saying. the people who believe in axls letter regarding the album release, to me its just pure blind faith.       

People need to understand something:

There is a difference between "believing in the 3/6/07 date" and "not ruling out the 3/6/07 date".  So far, we have no reason to rule the date out, other than blind pessimism....something just as ornery as blind faith.

People are reading into events, with no real understanding, and extrapolating a conclusion that March 6th is impossible.  That's simply not true.

Whether March 6th happens or not remains to be seen.  But there is literally almost NO evidence that supports the conclusion (other than the small bit from Lesty, above, which is hardly conclusive) that it absolutely, definitely will not happen.

Until there is something more than idle speculation to go on, I think it's both premature, and shortsighted, to start telling people they're categorically wrong for keeping the possibility alive.

[Will]

Whether March 6th happens or not remains to be seen. But there is literally almost NO evidence that supports the conclusion (other than the small bit from Lesty, above, which is hardly conclusive) that it absolutely, definitely will not happen.

Until there is something more than idle speculation to go on, I think it's both premature, and shortsighted, to start telling people they're categorically wrong for keeping the possibility alive.

I agree with you. And I still believe it *can* happen. That being said, I read into facts (things being said for instance) and I do not forget about that:

Since [Axl] hasn't said otherwise as of today, it should mean the March 6th date is still up, and that they turned in the album to the record company on or before January 6th. It should mean that Universal/ Interscope/ Geffen has been sitting on it for about 3 weeks without moving a finger.

I just find it hard to believe that Interscope wouldn't let the whole world now that they finally have the masters and are able to send the album to mass production...But I'm a believer (hell, I've been a fan for 16 years, it's not gonna change anytime soon) and I think it *can* happen, it's just not likely. What Lesty said unfortunately makes that statement even more true.

[ppbebe]

From what I saw, last year Axl didn't emerge from his hole until Weiland publicly insulted him, well if it takes talking tough like that so be it. 

As if axl cared? As if that was totally unexpected?
Yeah maybe the intelligence of scott's remarks was impressive but what made scott show it off?
Plus, was it before the korn party?

Common sense says you don't put the cart before the horse.

[Freya]

Whether the album actually makes it's date or not won't effect how flawed your logic is...or how your assertions demonstrate a fundamental lack of knowledge on how the process works.

Oh, like your assertion that Axl said it will be out, so it will.  So reasonable.  Never mind how logic flys in the face of that.

[pilferk]

I just find it hard to believe that Interscope wouldn't let the whole world now that they finally have the masters and are able to send the album to mass production...But I'm a believer (hell, I've been a fan for 16 years, it's not gonna change anytime soon) and I think it *can* happen, it's just not likely. What Lesty said unfortunately makes that statement even more true.

First, he said approximately 8 weeks, not 8 weeks to the day.  He also laid out a timeline, around the cancellation of shows, in order to accomplish some things (minor additions and negotiating with the label). SINCE that time frame is outside the "exactly 8 weeks" timeline, AND he still gave the tentative date within the same letter, I think we have to assume all those bits of info were taken into account.

Second, have you EVER known a label to crow, loudly and proudly, when an artist has turned over the masters to them?  I mean, immediately after it was done?  I've never heard of such a thing.  People here expect CD to be treated differently than any other album Interscope/Geffen releases.  In some respects, it may be.  But in that respect, I doubt it will be.  You hear from the label when a release date is firm and there is something for the consumer to know...not at every step of the production/marketing/release process.  That's what people are saying they expect....and I just don't understand WHY that expectation exists.

Again, I'm not saying March the 6th is a definite.  I'm not going to play rah rah cheerleader to the pessemist grumps.  But there is quite a bit of evidence that things were going pretty much as the timeline laid out in Axl's open letter.  Knowing that, I don't understand the "absoluteness" of those that look at the March 6th date and say "Absolutely not going to happen".  I just don't see any foundation for it, yet.

[Freya]

Yeah maybe the intelligence of scott's remarks was impressive but what made scott show it off?

Let me be clear, I think Scott Weiland is about as intelligent as a doorknob, but I think his taunting irked Axl somewhat and lit a fire under his ass to go out and do something.  He needs more of that.

[Will]

Second, have you EVER known a label to crow, loudly and proudly, when an artist has turned over the masters to them? I mean, immediately after it was done? I've never heard of such a thing. People here expect CD to be treated differently than any other album Interscope/Geffen releases. In some respects, it may be. But in that respect, I doubt it will be. You hear from the label when a release date is firm and there is something for the consumer to know...not at every step of the production/marketing/release process. That's what people are saying they expect....and I just don't understand WHY that expectation exists.

Sorry, I didn't express myself the way I wanted I think. What I meant is that if Interscope already had the album for a few weeks and sent it to mass production (which logically should be the case if 03.06 is still up), one would think they would have started the promotion and tried to release a single. I didn't mean that they would publish a press release stating: "That's it guys! We've got the masters!"

My apologies if I was not clear enough. Again, this is just my two cents and I could be wrong (I hope I am, and I hope 03.06 is the date). I've just been burned in the past...but time will tell I guess.

[neon2002]

Whether March 6th happens or not remains to be seen. But there is literally almost NO evidence that supports the conclusion (other than the small bit from Lesty, above, which is hardly conclusive) that it absolutely, definitely will not happen.

Until there is something more than idle speculation to go on, I think it's both premature, and shortsighted, to start telling people they're categorically wrong for keeping the possibility alive.

I agree with you. And I still believe it *can* happen. That being said, I read into facts (things being said for instance) and I do not forget about that:

Since [Axl] hasn't said otherwise as of today, it should mean the March 6th date is still up, and that they turned in the album to the record company on or before January 6th. It should mean that Universal/ Interscope/ Geffen has been sitting on it for about 3 weeks without moving a finger.

I just find it hard to believe that Interscope wouldn't let the whole world now that they finally have the masters and are able to send the album to mass production...But I'm a believer (hell, I've been a fan for 16 years, it's not gonna change anytime soon) and I think it *can* happen, it's just not likely. What Lesty said unfortunately makes that statement even more true.

Agreed. Why wouldn't the record company confirm that they have the album? It makes absolutley no sense not to. It's free promotion. Sure they don't do it for every record but every other record doesn't take 10+ years to record...
 

[VolcomStone]

just so you know, axl's "chinese democracy" is never going to be released.  how many dates have been promised?  for how many years?  yeah... i'm sensing a trend here.

[pilferk]

Oh, like your assertion that Axl said it will be out, so it will.  So reasonable.  Never mind how logic flys in the face of that.

I haven't made any such assertion, but nice try.  I have no idea when it will be out.  All I know is there isn't any real compelling evidence it WON'T make the date.

His open letter, considering he is the artist involved, laying out a clear timeline and tentative release date is much more compelling than anything you've presented, though, yes.  And assuming he's being true to his word, all things considered, is more logical than simply assuming, with no real evidence, that he is not.

And we've covered, previously, why that is.

You choose to be a pessemist.  You have no basis for your assertion, other than the fact you WANT to think it.  And you've been called on it.

But continue to be combative rather than actually contributing anything meaningful......so long as you're enjoying yourself.

[pilferk]

just so you know, axl's "chinese democracy" is never going to be released.  how many dates have been promised?  for how many years?  yeah... i'm sensing a trend here.

How many actual, concrete dates?  And not vague "around", "hopefully's", and generalizations?

One.

[polluxlm]

Since Axl gave a tentative date of March 6th I imagine Universal must be getting requests from all over the place (magazines, radio, tv, billboard, record stores etc.) wanting to know if it's indeed true. I would think somebody would let out a "things are finally looking good" or something if it were to be the case.

That's just the way it works. A friend tells a friend, if there's anything to be told.

[Big Gun]

pilferk, last year alone should be evidence enough that march the 6th is just hopeless.

[pilferk]

Sorry, I didn't express myself the way I wanted I think. What I meant is that if Interscope already had the album for a few weeks and sent it to mass production (which logically should be the case if 03.06 is still up), one would think they would have started the promotion and tried to release a single. I didn't mean that they would publish a press release stating: "That's it guys! We've got the masters!"

My apologies if I was not clear enough. Again, this is just my two cents and I could be wrong (I hope I am, and I hope 03.06 is the date). I've just been burned in the past...but time will tell I guess.

IF the dates in the timeline were right...you'd assume that Axl turned over the album on, or around, the 16th or 17th (given the cancellation of the shows and the timeline he laid out + the fact we know he was in Vegas, in a studio), if negotiations went well.

So it's been about a week, maybe.

I don't think that's enough time to expect, at an absolute level, anything to happen yet.  There is some planning,logistics, and "tons of other bullshit"  time that has to go into all this, too...AFTER they get the album (because  the label is likely gun shy, too...and not going to do ANYTHING until they get the material in hand).

Look, I can understand cautious optimism, or cautions pessimism.  We have enough history to warrent both, I think.  But what I don't understand is, again, the absoluteness of some of the pessemistic predictions and "looking down on" those still considering the 3/6 date possible.  It's laughable considering the foundation on which the pessemists are basing their conclusions.

[russtcb]

Just an FYI. I have a contact at Universal that claims as of this morning that the record hasn't been turned into Interscope yet and the album has yet to appear on their schedule.