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[polluxlm]

Right...idle speculation based on nothing but your assumptions.? That's what I said.

Strike it out all you want...doesn't make it less true.

2 weeks, 4 weeks. Both are just as groundless. I'll agree it's not yet crisis mode, but I see the writing on the wall.

On the contrary...one date is that of an alarmist.? You see writing on the wall because you WANT to see it, not because it actually exists.

Agreed, but it doesn't take more than for Axl or management to post a little note on the website telling us things have been finalized and that tracklist and release date will follow shortly. My experience with GN'R is that as soon as they have something to say, they say it. That's the main basis of my skepticism right there.

Again, you want hand holding.? Axl promised to tell us when the date was finalized.? Not to lead us through each and every step of the process.

As for Gnr saying things as soon as they have them to say...the open letter, itself, shows that not to be true.? Axl/Gnr say things WHEN THEY'RE READY to say them.? And that's the whole point.

W

What we KNOW is that Axl gave us a tentative release date on December 14th 2006. That's it.

The RUMOURS indicate that he could be on schedule. But even that is speculation, at best.

We know he told us he would tell us when the release date is finalized.

We know he told us he would tell us if there are further delays.

We also know he was in Vegas, and he was working in the studio.

We also know he was in NYC.

We also know he is (if reports are true) in LA.

Those are not rumors.? Those are facts.

And giving the timing of those things, they fit the schedule he outlined in his letter (with the cancelled shows).? That too, is a fact.

So, what we KNOW points to him being on schedule.? It might not be the case, but it points that way.

We're not getting anywhere here. You want proof? Guess what, I don't have any. All I got is my brain, same as you. What assumptions those brains generate based on the information we have are obviously quite different.

But I'll say this. I bet you a 100$ that you won't have an album in your hands come March 6th. Let that end this. I'm off for a smoke and some x-files.

[pilferk]

We're not getting anywhere here. You want proof? Guess what, I don't have any.

Thanks.  My point entirely.

I bet you a 100$ that you won't have an album in your hands come March 6th.

I don't, as a personal rule, bet money.  But I'll bet you a beer (approx retail value $10, just in case I have to send you the funds rather than buy it in person) that we will either a) have the album by the 6th or b) get ample notification of it's delay (more than 3 weeks).

[ppbebe]

as soon as possible in regard to a new date.

read my previous post.

as I said earlier it could go either way at this point.  I'm positive tho.

[pilferk]

as soon as possible in regard to a new date.

read my previous post.

as I said earlier it could go either way at this point.  I'm positive tho.

No, I got it.

And we haven't gotten that, right?

[ppbebe]

Until they have a new date, then it's not possible for them to tell it to us. 
 
Somehow it occurred to me in the sentence he might be talking about the case after the first one happens, and then the release date, the official one not the tentative one, gets deferred.

[littlefallsmets]

I've said it here in the past but I'll say it again.

The release or non-release of a "single" isn't evidence in either direction.

When was the last time you saw a rock single in a music store, other than the imports section?

Where would a GNR album even fall, programming-wise, in terms of radio play? Too "old" for stations playing "new rock" and too new to be played on "classic rock" stations that are going to get a lot more listener-identification out of tracks from Destruction?

Me, I'm in the "hopeful but skeptical" camp but... evidence in either direction based on... music promotion models from the Illusion albums fifteen years ago, before any internet other than obscure BBSes, back when music videos were played on television, back before Clear Channel choked the radio industry to death...

It's not proof in either direction.

We may as well be reading into the fact that there haven't been pre-solicitations for the Chinese Democracy player piano rolls in the Saturday Evening Post.

When you consider how long and drawn out this project has gone? How many times the material has ALMOST been released and then pulled back at the last minute?

If I were the record company, I wouldn't spend dime one on promotion until the CDs were on the trucks leaving the factory. It has... almost happened... so many times that on a purely business standpoint, putting promotional money into it any moment before the point of no return makes no sense.

I am a huge GNR fan and I am looking forward to the new album.

But if it was my money behind the record, it would be throwing good money after bad to promote it at all until the project has gotten to the point where Axl cannot pull back at the last moment.

When Axl can no longer stop the gears of release is when money will start going into promotion.

Hell, he let singles from two different soundtrack albums go out, most likely with the label thinking that it was a point of progress and... neither "Sympathy for the Devil" nor "Oh My God" were actual steps toward a full album.

These people have been burned a lot and I get it.

What if Axl lets them put out... oh... "The Blues" or "IRS" one of the songs he's already debuted live out on the radio, out on iTunes, out as an antiquated "single", out as an antiquated "video" and...

They pour millions of dollars into it, mostly to promote the upcoming album and then...

He pulls back and all they've got is a single that, even if it sells well isn't going to recoup the cost and all they have to show is another stalled-out attempt at the next album.

These dudes have been burned a number of times.

Axl's fault or not, the music industry's fault or not, the new band, the old band... whoever's fault, these dudes have been burned like a million times on this project.

They're not doing ANYTHING until the project can no longer be stopped. It's only logical.

[Bartlet]

I think thats pretty spot on littlefallsmets 

[spaghetti_incident]

That gunsguy dude from mygnr.com said something would happen.  Is this the week  something was supposed to happen?

[polluxlm]

That gunsguy dude from mygnr.com said something would happen.? Is this the week? something was supposed to happen?

Yeah, that would be tomorrow. Don't hold your breath though.

[spaghetti_incident]

That gunsguy dude from mygnr.com said something would happen.? Is this the week? something was supposed to happen?

Yeah, that would be tomorrow. Don't hold your breath though.

I wonder if gunsguy is
The thing that is amazing is that if anyone really knew what was going on they would not make a thread about it. 
GNR camp = silence.
And I think he said that he was told by his "insider" that he could say "so much". 
That tells me "red flag" because official news comes from official people.

[Freya]

The album being turned in doesn't mean there is going to be an immediate announcement of an official release date.

Well, yes it does.  As soon as the record company has the material in their property, they would make plans for distribution, promotion and a release date to the public.  There would be some concrete information available, whether through Axl or not. 

Bottomline, is time and again, Axl has not delivered the album to his record company.  He remains in control and seemingly unable to give up that control.  When we're all sitting around in Summer '07 without CD and a 2nd VR album out, we'll see if some of you people are still believing everything Axl says as gospel. 

From what I saw, last year Axl didn't emerge from his hole until Weiland publicly insulted him, well if it takes talking tough like that so be it.  Enough of these bullshit excuses.  Hand over the album Axl. 

[Bartlet]

The album being turned in doesn't mean there is going to be an immediate announcement of an official release date.

Well, yes it does.? As soon as the record company has the material in their property, they would make plans for distribution, promotion and a release date to the public.? There would be some concrete information available, whether through Axl or not.?

Bottomline, is time and again, Axl has not delivered the album to his record company.? He remains in control and seemingly unable to give up that control.? When we're all sitting around in Summer '07 without CD and a 2nd VR album out, we'll see if some of you people are still believing everything Axl says as gospel.?

From what I saw, last year Axl didn't emerge from his hole until Weiland publicly insulted him, well if it takes talking tough like that so be it.? Enough of these bullshit excuses.? Hand over the album Axl.?

No it doesnt. It means they'll figure out all the other stuff and then make a release date anouncement.

I agree with your suspicions bout axl not wanting to let go tho.

[pilferk]

The album being turned in doesn't mean there is going to be an immediate announcement of an official release date.

Well, yes it does.? As soon as the record company has the material in their property, they would make plans for distribution, promotion and a release date to the public.? There would be some concrete information available, whether through Axl or not.?

Bottomline, is time and again, Axl has not delivered the album to his record company.? He remains in control and seemingly unable to give up that control.? When we're all sitting around in Summer '07 without CD and a 2nd VR album out, we'll see if some of you people are still believing everything Axl says as gospel.?

From what I saw, last year Axl didn't emerge from his hole until Weiland publicly insulted him, well if it takes talking tough like that so be it.? Enough of these bullshit excuses.? Hand over the album Axl.?

Well, no...it doesn't.

It means we'll get a release date, eventually, when all the details and logistics are figured out.  Not the minute the album is turned over.  That's just not the way things work.

The label will give concrete info when it's just that...concrete.  Not when it's in the planning stages and not before the date is 100% set in stone.

And, once again, you have no proof, or even a reasonalble basis for suspicion, that Axl hasn't already turned over the album or that he's being 100% sincere about the release date.

You WANT to believe otherwise....pessimism seems to be in huge supply these days....but you have no real basis for that belief.

[Freya]

Not when it's in the planning stages and not before the date is 100% set in stone.

And, once again, you have no proof, or even a reasonalble basis for suspicion, that Axl hasn't already turned over the album or that he's being 100% sincere about the release date.

You WANT to believe otherwise....pessimism seems to be in huge supply these days....but you have no real basis for that belief.

You guys are unreal.  The album has been in the "planning" stages for years.  Yes, when the record company has it, some information will be able to be confirmed, as in yes we have it, and yes we are going to release it.  No information means they have fuck all. 

And Axl's track record these past ten or so years is reason for suspicion enough.  The rest is just common sense. 

[Bartlet]

Not when it's in the planning stages and not before the date is 100% set in stone.

And, once again, you have no proof, or even a reasonalble basis for suspicion, that Axl hasn't already turned over the album or that he's being 100% sincere about the release date.

You WANT to believe otherwise....pessimism seems to be in huge supply these days....but you have no real basis for that belief.

You guys are unreal.? The album has been in the "planning" stages for years.? Yes, when the record company has it, some information will be able to be confirmed, as in yes we have it, and yes we are going to release it.? No information means they have fuck all.?

And Axl's track record these past ten or so years is reason for suspicion enough.? The rest is just common sense.?

You're the unreal one! What makes you think they would nanny us along and say ok we have the album now?

as has been aid many times now they wont do that unless they have finalised the release date, which means finalising the promo schedule and at least some initial tour details first i would think.

Not to mention Axl's and the bands contracts - the terms of their employment for the foreseeable future! its only natural that they and axl especially would want to hold such talks at this stage!

[Freya]

You're the unreal one! What makes you think they would nanny us along and say ok we have the album now?

If a release was truly impending, that fact would be able to be verified.  Believe what you want to believe.  Wouldn't want a little common sense to burst your bubble. 

[pilferk]

Not when it's in the planning stages and not before the date is 100% set in stone.

And, once again, you have no proof, or even a reasonalble basis for suspicion, that Axl hasn't already turned over the album or that he's being 100% sincere about the release date.

You WANT to believe otherwise....pessimism seems to be in huge supply these days....but you have no real basis for that belief.

You guys are unreal.  The album has been in the "planning" stages for years.  Yes, when the record company has it, some information will be able to be confirmed, as in yes we have it, and yes we are going to release it.  No information means they have fuck all. 

Not true.  Not even a little.

Please...cite some instances where, as soon as the label has material turned over to it, they confirm it and instantly give a release date.  We're talking immediate notification, here.

It doesn't happen very often, if at all.  The label gives info when there is CONCRETE info to give.  That's just the way the industry works...no matter how much you want it to be otherwise.

Also, let me clarify: By "planning stages" I mean the logistics behind the promotion and release.  All that takes work.  You have to contract replication out.  Your marketing/promotions department has to get involved, both on the retail side and on the advertising side. There is a whole ration of shit that needs to be accomplished before you can cement your date.  And they're not going to give us a date until ALL that stuff is done.

[pilferk]

You're the unreal one! What makes you think they would nanny us along and say ok we have the album now?

If a release was truly impending, that fact would be able to be verified.  Believe what you want to believe.  Wouldn't want a little common sense to burst your bubble. 

No, it wouldn't.  Unless you're claiming to have "sources" deep inside the label....

It's you who needs to apply a little common sense....and perhaps do some research into how the process works.

[HBK]

Just I Little Patience !!

hbk *

[bringbackadler]

So, I suppose it's now safe to say that the guy from mygnr.com who had like 5000 posts who stated we would hear a song or something this week was either full of $hit or plans have changed. I'm not banking on it by any means but I'm still praying for some super bowl or MLB promotion.