Think This Would Be A Good Idea For GNR To Join In On??

[estebanf]

Why on earth would anyone want this to be a political band, thats an awful idea. 

I agree. Obviously, helping people is always a good act (in fact, most of the GNR members have helped people in the past), but I dont want GNR to convert gradually in a band like U2. I dont want Axl to sound like fucking Bono in his rants or every time he appears on the media.

Rock bands need to be rock bands, not cheap political demagogy.

[Donington2007]

Maybe not everything has to be about "eyerack" and Bush and oil?  I like my rock n' roll about loose women and fast livin', among other things. 

well its not like every show out of the 100+ they do is some kind of political thing. if they were to do this and it makes you feel better just leave your tv off on 07/07/07. 

its entirely posible to buy the album, enjoy the music on the radio and mtv and just ignore the benefit stuff. i didnt hear anyone bitchin about the 'fashion' gig. isnt that supposed to be girly? i dont think it is, but with this kind of logic give me a break. were talking about a dying planet and dying people. why weren't you bitchin about your hard rock band doing a fashion designer gig?

[Donington2007]

Why on earth would anyone want this to be a political band, thats an awful idea. 

I agree. Obviously, helping people is always a good act (in fact, most of the GNR members have helped people in the past), but I dont want GNR to convert gradually in a band like U2. I dont want Axl to sound like fucking Bono in his rants or every time he appears on the media.

Rock bands need to be rock bands, not cheap political demagogy.

see that goes to show what you dont know about your man. maybe youre not old enough but i could dig up some shit in youtube. he has ALWAYS ranted about 'the powers that be' and look where it got us. if you think hes gonna sit back and let them take us to hell in a hand basket without a fight, you better think again. i'd bet after the release he'll start the rants again. most of you have never seen the lion out of his cage.

[Booker Floyd]

Why on earth would anyone want this to be a political band, thats an awful idea.

Its pretty simple-minded to equate a performance at an event raising awareness for a particular issue to being a "political band."  I suppose you already view Axl as a political musician since he participated in the Michael J. Fox charity dinner and declared his support for stem-cell research?  And their performance at Farm Aid in 1989?  Apparently theyve been a political band for 18 years. 

Why alienate part of your audience.

Because they believe in the cause and would rather not sell out their own beliefs to placate some dim contingent of their fanbase?

Bands that do this stuff are sellouts and never know what they are talking about.

1. How are they sellouts?

2. They may or may not know what theyre talking about - they are citizens after all.  But to suggest they should keep their opinions to themselves because theyre famous is asinine.  Based on your post, Id contend that you dont know what youre talking about - that wont stop you from posting, will it?

its what old, washed up bands do.

Pharrell, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Snoop Dogg, Lenny Kravitz, Bon Jovi, Paolo Nutini, Sheryl Crow, AFI, Melissa Etheridge, John Mayer, Damien Rice, Corrine Bailey Rae, Duran Duran, Snow Patrol, John Legend, Black Eyed Peas, Akon, Enrique Iglesias, Fall Out Boy, Mana, Keane, Kelly Clarkson, Korn, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw, Ray LaMontagne, Robin Thicke, and Kenna.

Theres already Bono the world doesnt need another washed up musician who knows nothing about politics trying to tell people whats best for them.  Play music for fun and for feeling, because in the end thats all people want.

Really?  Then by your logic, nobody will be attending these concerts.  But what if they do?  Then will it be safe to say that you dont know what youre talking about?

[Donington2007]

and those are just the bands signed on as of now. this is gonna be huge. who'da thought? the guy who admitted to inhaling comes out of left field as the organizer of the hugest multi-concert event to ever occur at one time. Guns would HAVE to be part of this.

Producer-singer Pharrell Williams says the 24-hour concert July 7 will be "the biggest party on Earth."

[freedom78]

Maybe not everything has to be about "eyerack" and Bush and oil?  I like my rock n' roll about loose women and fast livin', among other things. 

well its not like every show out of the 100+ they do is some kind of political thing. if they were to do this and it makes you feel better just leave your tv off on 07/07/07. 

its entirely posible to buy the album, enjoy the music on the radio and mtv and just ignore the benefit stuff. i didnt hear anyone bitchin about the 'fashion' gig. isnt that supposed to be girly? i dont think it is, but with this kind of logic give me a break. were talking about a dying planet and dying people. why weren't you bitchin about your hard rock band doing a fashion designer gig?

For the record, I wasn't bitching.  I think there's a big difference between playing a show for a cause, on one hand, and being a political band, on the other.  I was simply saying that an overtly political album would be odd for GNR.

[Donington2007]

For the record, I wasn't bitching.  I think there's a big difference between playing a show for a cause, on one hand, and being a political band, on the other.  I was simply saying that an overtly political album would be odd for GNR.

i totally feel ya'. and i'm just saying there never WAS a reason til now. so it might be odd, but not out of the question. course only about 17% of the members here might SEE that reason. the rest might not see it unless it looks like this in their mail box......

 

or this out their front window......



 

[polluxlm]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17168544/?GT1=9033

No selling out, please.

[Booker Floyd]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17168544/?GT1=9033

No selling out, please.

Explain why this would be selling out.  Was the Michael J. Fox event selling out?  Farm Aid?

[polluxlm]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17168544/?GT1=9033

No selling out, please.

Explain why this would be selling out.? Was the Michael J. Fox event selling out?? Farm Aid?

Taking part in big charities bring in more money than anything else, indirectly. By all means, support the cause, but don't go screaming to the whole world how 'good' you are. That's one of the worst sell outs I can think of.

[KaptainKuntra]

I think it would be great for them to play, massive exposure. Its being broadcasted live on tv worldwide and the internet apparently (Radio 1 news UK)

[chriskon72]

How funny is this...in the 80's that bitch wife of Al Gore goes all out against the music business with censorship and stickers on records... then some 20 years later and a failed attempt at being president the next bandwagon comes along, the agendas shift. ...and hey!!! the Gores are Rock n' Rollers now!!! how fuckin' considerate of them. Good luck on Saving the world Al.

Maybe someone could organize a one way ticket through the hole in the ozone for Al and his family that hypocritcle prick.

[AxlRose4eva1]

Pharrell, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Snoop Dogg, Lenny Kravitz, Bon Jovi, Paolo Nutini, Sheryl Crow, AFI, Melissa Etheridge, John Mayer, Damien Rice, Corrine Bailey Rae, Duran Duran, Snow Patrol, John Legend, Black Eyed Peas, Akon, Enrique Iglesias, Fall Out Boy, Mana, Keane, Kelly Clarkson, Korn, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw, Ray LaMontagne, Robin Thicke, and Kenna.

Oh my god, heaven forbid GNR gets left off a bill with Kelly Clarkson, Pharrell and Duran Duran.  What band or person on there am I supposed to be impressed with.  You proved my point that they were washed up garbage.  Oh btw, Farm Aid didnt effect anyone negatively.  Environmentalist movements cost people jobs and livelihoods.  Stem cell research is an issue that is supported by 80% of Americans and does not cost people jobs.  Fact is maybe Europe is falling apart, but here in the US we have the lowest unemployment rates in history, highest salaries in history, highest GDP in history, lowest interest rates in history, highest stock market in history, largest growth in home ownership in history and this is all within 10 years of the worst attack on US soil by both nature and humans.  So while socialist Europe deals with their 25% unemployment rates and rising fascist and racist parties, here in the U.S. as a nation we have never been better.  Read a newspaper about something other than the Iraq war.  Also, 45% of Americans believe we should have gone to Iraq, and 65% of Americans dont want us to pull out.  So coming out against the Iraq war does alienate people.  How do you know how Axl feels about the Iraq war or George Bush.  Oh and speaking of Farm Aid, Bush has increased farm subsidies by more than any other president in history.  I dont see a band on that list that I would listen to, I think bands that offend social norms and clash with government forces are great, but this is not that.  You say they should do this because they want to?  How do you know that they want to do this, Axl's never came out and said anything about any of this.  Oh and btw, Males 18-30 give George Bush a 52% approval rating and currently Giulliana (a republican) is leading polls for both the Republican nomination and the general election in 2008.  Who do you think buys GNR albums in the US.

[polluxlm]

Oh my god, heaven forbid GNR gets left off a bill with Kelly Clarkson, Pharrell and Duran Duran.? What band or person on there am I supposed to be impressed with.? You proved my point that they were washed up garbage.? Oh btw, Farm Aid didnt effect anyone negatively.? Environmentalist movements cost people jobs and livelihoods.? Stem cell research is an issue that is supported by 80% of Americans and does not cost people jobs.? Fact is maybe Europe is falling apart, but here in the US we have the lowest unemployment rates in history, highest salaries in history, highest GDP in history, lowest interest rates in history, highest stock market in history, largest growth in home ownership in history and this is all within 10 years of the worst attack on US soil by both nature and humans.? So while socialist Europe deals with their 25% unemployment rates and rising fascist and racist parties, here in the U.S. as a nation we have never been better.? Read a newspaper about something other than the Iraq war.? Also, 45% of Americans believe we should have gone to Iraq, and 65% of Americans dont want us to pull out.? So coming out against the Iraq war does alienate people.? How do you know how Axl feels about the Iraq war or George Bush.? Oh and speaking of Farm Aid, Bush has increased farm subsidies by more than any other president in history.? I dont see a band on that list that I would listen to, I think bands that offend social norms and clash with government forces are great, but this is not that.? You say they should do this because they want to?? How do you know that they want to do this, Axl's never came out and said anything about any of this.? Oh and btw, Males 18-30 give George Bush a 52% approval rating and currently Giulliana (a republican) is leading polls for both the Republican nomination and the general election in 2008.? Who do you think buys GNR albums in the US.

Just had to correct some stuff

[AxlRose4eva1]

Well you can make wrong corrections if you want, but you use no facts.? So ill just use the facts to show how dumb you are. Average wages for 2006 are not out yet for U.S. but in 2005 the average wage was 36,952.94$ which is the highest in U.S. history.? http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/AWI.html.? And the average salary in the U.S. pays 17$ an hour which is the highest in the world, in case you think that this is just at the highest levels http://www.lni.wa.gov/ClaimsIns/Insurance/RatesRisk/Check/AvgHourlyWageRates/default.asp shows that workers even in the at risk classes have their salaries rising.? http://www.linksruck.de/antifa/artikel/sr252europe.htm, talks in depth about the rising fascist parties in europe, i can do more if you need to point out how it has grown.? http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2004/issue4/0404p32.html this UN article discusses the rise in racism and fascism in Europe including in their music.? http://www.danter.com/STATISTICS/homeown.htm shows that the homeownership rates in the U.S. are at all time highs.? Other than Ireland, European national economies have not been rising, while the U.S. steadily does.? I think Europeans have such envy for the U.S. that they feel the need to comment on every issue in the United States and assume that people here are unhappy here, Im a U.S. citizen and things never have been better financially despite going through a war, a major terrorist attack, a recession and a major environmental disaster.? 2 years ago we re-elected George Bush, we do not all share European values, we consistently vote down national health care, bans on death penalties, and forced foreign aid.? Dont just assume that while a majority of Americans are unhappy with the war and Bush that we are unhappy with the nation now, Americans always are unhappy and thats why theres never been a nation that has grown like the U.S..?

Oh and by the way recent polls say that it is about 50/50 for attacking Iran right now, so before you go on your "everyone wants peace" tangent know that half of America thinks attacking another country would be right.? You can dislike Americans all you want, but there is no reason for GNR (an American band) to alienate U.S. fans by jumping on a politcal bandwagon that theyve never once said they cared about.? How about winning the war on crummy music like all those bands playing at this concert and let politicians and people who have higher than GED's figure out how to fix the world.

Its no official yet but https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html, has the average U.S. salary for 2006 being 44,000 and also shows that the U.S. GDP is higher than the entire European Union.  So i would say being the strongest financial, military, technological country in the world means we are doing alright.

[polluxlm]

Well you can make wrong corrections if you want, but you use no facts.? So ill just use the facts to show how dumb you are. Average wages for 2006 are not out yet for U.S. but in 2005 the average wage was 36,952.94$ which is the highest in U.S. history.? http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/AWI.html.

Please, we all know what draws that number up.

And the average salary in the U.S. pays 17$ an hour which is the highest in the world, in case you think that this is just at the highest levels http://www.lni.wa.gov/ClaimsIns/Insurance/RatesRisk/Check/AvgHourlyWageRates/default.asp shows that workers even in the at risk classes have their salaries rising.

The average number applies to what I said above, and that at risk classes have rising wages doesn't mean that their not way too low.

http://www.linksruck.de/antifa/artikel/sr252europe.htm, talks in depth about the rising fascist parties in europe, i can do more if you need to point out how it has grown.? http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2004/issue4/0404p32.html this UN article discusses the rise in racism and fascism in Europe including in their music.

Racism and facism are increasing all over the world (for obvious reasons). That does not mean Europe is some sort of black sheep or that the rise should be viewed as some sort of serious problem (as in using it as an argument for why EU sucks).

http://www.danter.com/STATISTICS/homeown.htm shows that the homeownership rates in the U.S. are at all time highs.? Other than Ireland, European national economies have not been rising, while the U.S. steadily does.? I think Europeans have such envy for the U.S. that they feel the need to comment on every issue in the United States and assume that people here are unhappy here, Im a U.S. citizen and things never have been better financially despite going through a war, a major terrorist attack, a recession and a major environmental disaster.? 2 years ago we re-elected George Bush, we do not all share European values, we consistently vote down national health care, bans on death penalties, and forced foreign aid.? Dont just assume that while a majority of Americans are unhappy with the war and Bush that we are unhappy with the nation now, Americans always are unhappy and thats why theres never been a nation that has grown like the U.S..?

Oh and by the way recent polls say that it is about 50/50 for attacking Iran right now, so before you go on your "everyone wants peace" tangent know that half of America thinks attacking another country would be right.? You can dislike Americans all you want, but there is no reason for GNR (an American band) to alienate U.S. fans by jumping on a politcal bandwagon that theyve never once said they cared about.? How about winning the war on crummy music like all those bands playing at this concert and let politicians and people who have higher than GED's figure out how to fix the world.

I have limited knowledge on this subject, which is why I didn't touch it then or now.

I'm still waiting on the 25% EU unemployment statistics, and I don't see why a stint of socialism is so awful in your eyes.

And while America may be better for some I think you should take a look at the trailer parks and ghettos before you start getting all high and mighty.

[Booker Floyd]

Pharrell, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Snoop Dogg, Lenny Kravitz, Bon Jovi, Paolo Nutini, Sheryl Crow, AFI, Melissa Etheridge, John Mayer, Damien Rice, Corrine Bailey Rae, Duran Duran, Snow Patrol, John Legend, Black Eyed Peas, Akon, Enrique Iglesias, Fall Out Boy, Mana, Keane, Kelly Clarkson, Korn, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw, Ray LaMontagne, Robin Thicke, and Kenna.

Oh my god, heaven forbid GNR gets left off a bill with Kelly Clarkson, Pharrell and Duran Duran.  What band or person on there am I supposed to be impressed with.  You proved my point that they were washed up garbage.

Youve ignored most of my post and have gone on to off-topic rambling, but Ill respond. 

"its what old, washed up bands do."

Your words.  I didnt post those artists (just a portion of those who will be playing) to impress you, just to disprove your point.  Snow Patrol, Fall Out Boy, Robin Thicke, Black Eyed Peas, John Legend, John Mayer, Akon, Pharrell Williams - you might not like them, but theyre neither old nor washed up.  Your points been disproved.

Oh btw, Farm Aid didnt effect anyone negatively.  Environmentalist movements cost people jobs and livelihoods.  Stem cell research is an issue that is supported by 80% of Americans and does not cost people jobs.  Fact is maybe Europe is falling apart, but here in the US we have the lowest unemployment rates in history, highest salaries in history, highest GDP in history, lowest interest rates in history, highest stock market in history, largest growth in home ownership in history and this is all within 10 years of the worst attack on US soil by both nature and humans.  So while socialist Europe deals with their 25% unemployment rates and rising fascist and racist parties, here in the U.S. as a nation we have never been better.  Read a newspaper about something other than the Iraq war.  Also, 45% of Americans believe we should have gone to Iraq, and 65% of Americans dont want us to pull out.  So coming out against the Iraq war does alienate people.  How do you know how Axl feels about the Iraq war or George Bush.  Oh and speaking of Farm Aid, Bush has increased farm subsidies by more than any other president in history.

And heres the off-topic rambling that belongs in the Jungle section (where Id point out the fatuous spin of giving an unsourced presidential approval rating targeting one demo when you likely know that his actual rating is 35% in the Fox poll, 37% in the Gallup, and 42% in Rasmussen, his friendliest polling company; the fatuous spin of citing 45% as if its a majority, even though a January AP-Ipsos said only 35% believed we should have invaded; the Gallup poll stating that 56% want withdrawal within a year); etc.). 

Also, where did I say anything about Bush or the Iraq War?

What you seemingly fail to understand is that while you initially took your stand against political activism among musicians, youve shown that its really particular issues that actually bother you.  Stem-cell research is a political issue, but one with which you seem to agree so youve thrown an unsourced poll to justify it...because I guess the greater the support, the more comfortable you are with it (which makes me wonder what you were trying to prove by citing that incorrect/outdated 45% poll).  Farm subsidies is another political issue, but you dont mind activism because you support them I guess.   

I dont see a band on that list that I would listen to

So what?

You say they should do this because they want to?  How do you know that they want to do this, Axl's never came out and said anything about any of this.

Never said he did.  I simply gave an answer to your own hypothetical question. 

Oh and btw, Males 18-30 give George Bush a 52% approval rating and currently Giulliana (a republican) is leading polls for both the Republican nomination and the general election in 2008.  Who do you think buys GNR albums in the US.

Again, wrong section (but in the Jungle, Id point out that 1. general election polls this early are largely insignificant and 2. while Giuliani leads slightly in many polls, Clinton edges him 50%-40% in the NY-Quinnipiac, 46%-42% in the MI Detroit Free Press, and 49%-46% in Newsweek; in a Newsweek generic ballot, the Democratic nominee leads the Republican one 49%-28%). 

If youre implying that the global warming issue is not a popular one, then youll be vindicated when nobody attends these concerts, right?

[Booker Floyd]

Since you seem to love polls (albeit unsourced), heres one from Fox News:

NEW YORK ?  Most Americans believe in global warming, according to the latest FOX News poll, and a majority thinks it is caused at least in part by human behavior, though many believe normal climate patterns are a factor.

The national poll, conducted before the release of the United Nations? report on climate change last week, finds that fully 82 percent of Americans say they believe in global warming, up from 77 percent in October 2005, while 10 percent disagree and 8 percent are unsure.

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Surprised you didnt mention this one since most of your talking points seem to come from Fox News.

[AxlRose4eva1]

First of all I never cited fox news once, but its nice of you to give them a plug.  Second of all Lenny Kravitz, Korn, Duran Duran, bon jovi are all washed up and I could go into others as well. The rest of the bands are rap or emo junk.  I actually dont agree wtih stem cell research, but dont believe it hurts anyone to support it.  People in the U.S. may believe in global warming, but they dont believe in Kyota accords or cutting back industry and jobs.  I was commenting on whoever said Iraq, which has nothing to do with global warming.  I think it should be noted to that bands that have taken right wing stances like majority of country acts have had consistent rises in sales over the last 10 years but that it bellys out.  Taking a side limits your audience and the fact is GNR has always sold well in the south where a majority of people still support bush.  None of the bands you listed are punk bands or metal bands that have been considered dangerous, they are bands that have always appealed to teens, even Korn's popularity appealed mostly to young goths, i think they still have the longest running streak on TRL or something.  Also you can pull polls from democratic regions, but a majority of state polls say Giuliani would win in a landslide the electoral vote.  These concerts are fake and for publicity and people who listen to GNR I generally believe are smart enough to see through things like this.  He might as well have joined the "Vote or Die" campaign.  This is not publicity that drives up metal albums sales and a majority of fans just want to hear music not a political rant.

[COMAMOTIVE]

Somehow, when I read this thread, I knew it would escalate into an Iraq discussion. My thoughts are that up untill this point, Axl has taken no stance publicly on Iraq or Bush, and that is for a reason not known. The Global Warming thing is quite different, and I don't think it would make him political at all to participate.