Weight gain

[spaghetti_incident]

What is the best way to put on some weight the healthy way?

I have very high metabolism and would like to put on a few pounds, but the healthy way.  Don't tell me to drink those protein shakes.

Any good food suggestions as well as excercises?

[CheapJon]

Any good food suggestions as well as excercises?

yeah don't exercise

[spaghetti_incident]

Any good food suggestions as well as excercises?

yeah don't exercise

LOL.  I meant are there certain excercises to tone up?  A lot of magazines I read list so many but what are the ones that will definately add muscle?

[Jessica]

avocado, dried apricots, black chocolate, bananas, nuts, cheeses,  dates, pasta, and if your metzbolism is that high, no exercize as you'll burn all you gained.

I used to live with a girl friend who was a dancer and who had that problem. It's what the doc gave her to eat, but as she was a dancer, she kept on loosing weight, which is why i advise to not do exercize.

[spaghetti_incident]

avocado, dried apricots, black chocolate, bananas, nuts, cheeses,? dates, pasta, and if your metzbolism is that high, no exercize as you'll burn all you gained.

I used to live with a girl friend who was a dancer and who had that problem. It's what the doc gave her to eat, but as she was a dancer, she kept on loosing weight, which is why i advise to not do exercize.

I have very high metabolism.  How can you slow down your metabolism?  I want the weight gain to be proportionate so I imagine you have to do some types of excercise or all the weight would go to one place, no?

[D]

Lift  Heavy Weights and eat PLENTY Of Protein.

Eat every 2 to 3 hours.


Dont Run or do anything that gets your heart rate high.



U are in an enviable position.

[Jessica]

avocado, dried apricots, black chocolate, bananas, nuts, cheeses,  dates, pasta, and if your metzbolism is that high, no exercize as you'll burn all you gained.

I used to live with a girl friend who was a dancer and who had that problem. It's what the doc gave her to eat, but as she was a dancer, she kept on loosing weight, which is why i advise to not do exercize.

I have very high metabolism.  How can you slow down your metabolism?  I want the weight gain to be proportionate so I imagine you have to do some types of excercise or all the weight would go to one place, no?

hmmm, nothing too physical...but the type of food i mentionned is what is called " the right fat" so it shouldn't go to your belly, it should go everywhere. Try this for a month and if you notice a positive change, keep going a bit.

BUT and this is absolute serious advice :

Have your cholesterol level tested before you do it and once a month as you do it.

Don't you go and make yourself sick, just in case.

D SHUSH

High levels of protein can give heart attacks to some people, if his metabolism is fast, it means his heart pumps fast too, so your advice is VERY dangerous.

Don't listen to protein'd up people.

No one should ever go on proteins without medical advice. In france, you can't do it unless you have had blood tests first.

[spaghetti_incident]

avocado, dried apricots, black chocolate, bananas, nuts, cheeses,? dates, pasta, and if your metzbolism is that high, no exercize as you'll burn all you gained.

I used to live with a girl friend who was a dancer and who had that problem. It's what the doc gave her to eat, but as she was a dancer, she kept on loosing weight, which is why i advise to not do exercize.

I have very high metabolism.? How can you slow down your metabolism?? I want the weight gain to be proportionate so I imagine you have to do some types of excercise or all the weight would go to one place, no?

hmmm, nothing too physical...but the type of food i mentionned is what is called " the right fat" so it shouldn't go to your belly, it should go everywhere. Try this for a month and if you notice a positive change, keep going a bit.

BUT and this is absolute serious advice :

Have your cholesterol level tested before you do it and once a month as you do it.

Don't you go and make yourself sick, just in case.

D SHUSH

High levels of protein can give heart attacks to some people, if his metabolism is fast, it means his heart pumps fast too, so your advice is VERY dangerous.

Don't listen to protein'd up people.

No one should ever go on proteins without medical advice. In france, you can't do it unless you have had blood tests first.

Black chocolate?  So all the hersheys kisses I can stomach?

[Jessica]

well, black chocolate has cacao and cacao isn't bad.

Milk choco is full of sugar, the " bad" fat.
Even worse for white choco.

So choco is good if you stay to dark chocolate, the darkest the best.

[D]

If u want to get muscular u take in one and a half grams of protein for every pound u weigh.

Thats the body builder diet............................


If u eat protein from Chicken, Fish etc it wont hurt u, if u eat tons of fattening high cholesterol red meat it wouldn't be good but Baked Chicken and Fish are excellent for u.

[Donington2007]

Giving an exact diet would take forever.  But brown rice - no pasta, better beef - not fatty beef. Rye bread - not white. Swiss or cheddar cheese (from deli) - not American. Ham (from deli) but not too much... the salt will affect you. Walnuts ("good fat").  Helmains real mayo (don't worry about it). Baked potato with a tad of real butter and a half slice of deli cheddar or deli swiss in it. A brand of chips called Sun Chips in the blue bag... not the flavored kind. 12 oz. OJ with breakfast. 12 ounces of 1.5% or 2% milk with lunch and dinner. 2 slices of rye bread with every meal unless your lunch is a ham and swiss or cheddar sandwich.

You must have good sugar (O.J.) or something that turns to sugar (baked potato, Sun Chips) in every meal or youll fucking pass out if you're eating a high protein diet. If your skin gets red-blotchy youre eating too much protein and not enough other stuff.

Also theres a secret to the weight gain shakes. I know they don't seem to work cuz it happened to me. You have to drink one/half the portion they say for one serving of the powder which should be about 12 ounces of 2% milk and the ammount of powder added should equal 500 calories, and DRINK IT IN BETWEEN MEALS EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT HUNGRY!  Also eat the three square meals and you'll find that the shakes work. they say to drink before, with or after a meal and that won't work for skinny guys with a shrunken stomach cuz you end up eating less food. But your stomach will stretch after a few weeks and it'll all be easier which reminds me, always eat 4 or 5 more bites during every meal and just to the point of feeling sick because your stomach has to be stretched. I know this.

Timing:

First meal
3 hours later a shake
3 hours later second meal
3 hours later a shake
3 hours later the thrid meal.
Healthy snack (1/2 meal) before bed

Meal every 6 hours with shake in between. Trust me 

Swim for excercise and you'll get a cool body and not all body-builder like. Like you'll get a normal fit body.

Swim or excercise in betweem a meal and a shake. (1.5 hours after eating which is the same as 1.5 hours before a shake) The shake will only WORK if you excercise right before drinking the shake. This I know too 

It seems like alot of milk but it's 1.5% or 2% so don;t worry about it. Also drink lots of water in between everything. Youre going to turn into a pissing and crapping machine. You'll be crapping twice a day.

I'm editing in the food I ate as I think of it. Im 5'8" and I went from 125 to 150 pounds in 2 months. My diet had exactly 4,500 calories in it including the two 500 calorie shakes. The first week or two you'll only gain weight slowly. Then you should put on an average of .5 pounds a day. The thing that sucks is you have to do all of this like an anal-retentive freak. You can't let a relative, a girl or anything let you miss a meal or miss a work-out or miss a shake. I used to bring the shake powder to work in a little baggy and another baggie with walnuts in it. It was fucking silly but my female co-workers were all sweatin' me after a month. 

If you drink beer/alcohol one night during a meal time, calculate the beer calories and make sure you get the rest of the calories from that meal time from bar munchies or the kitchen menu. Your body ends up gaining weight like clockwork, and missing a meal throws you 1 to 2 days off rather than 1/3rd of a day off like you would think. It's fucked up, but I know from experience. The SECOND thing that sucks is you have to keep most of this up for most of the rest of your life if you want to stay looking like a sexy bitch cuz it's our skinny guy curse. this I know too. 

[GNRreunioneventually]

go to Burger King for breakfast, go to Mcdonalds for lunch, and go to Wendys for dinner

kinda like that movie super size me

but like you said you wanted to do it the healthy way so i can't help ya there.

aren't there like pills for that? or something like that?

[Donington2007]

go to Burger King for breakfast, go to Mcdonalds for lunch, and go to Wendys for dinner

kinda like that movie super size me

but like you said you wanted to do it the healthy way so i can't help ya there.

aren't there like pills for that? or something like that?

it took me a long time to figure out the diet I used. Also the shake in between meals thing was a key. It's not as simple as just fattening foods. I found out that the Chef Boy Ardee raviloi's were making my chest feel a little itchy. (It was the msg) I actually started to get a bit of a spare tire when I had the ravioli's and full-fat milk in the diet. Then after adjusting I went too far with the protein (red splotches and almost passing out) and then finally settled on a version of whats above. of course everyone is different but the most interesting thing i found was that the stomoach will stretch and get hungrier the more you feed it. but i'm a skinny guy and have no food addiction so i just stuck exactly to my 4,500 calorie diet and ignored my stomach even though it eventually got hungry 30 minutes before my scheduled meals or shakes. still I found it curious but also finally understood how fat people who are addicted to fattening foods actually get fat. 

i used to weigh my Sun Chips and walnuts. it was fuckin' daffy. my roomate and co-workers used to crack up.  I was living in a nice housing development at the time and in a warm climate so the ability to swim was easy. I would never consider working out with weights if i did that diet again. the normal in-shape swimmer's body is the best thing. I would even join a fancy club if I had to just to use a pool for an hour and a half a day. also that b.s about taking a day off working out is b.s. That theory comes from fat lazy fucks 

I bet some chicks are reading this and thinking 'if only i had this problem!'

[D]

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ac tually u are a little wrong about the taking a day off.


Your body actually grows while at rest, not while u are doing the exercise.

If u want to workout into your 70s, your body  needs days to recooperate.


However if u are on a crash get a nice body for summer diet, u don't necessarily have to take days off, but U get better results in the long run taking a day or so off a week.

That being said, U can have a cheat day here and there but even on non workin out days u stay to your diet.


I am a runner and for instance I ran 10 miles Wednesday in 90 minutes.

I had to take yesterday off.

If i had ran yesterday, Iwould've opened my body up  to injuries and my running performance wouldn't have been up to par anyway.


If injure a hamstring,calf or achilles, that would sideline me up to 2 or 3 weeks, Id rather take 1 day off and remain injury free, then miss 2 or 3 weeks due to overdoing it and injuring myself.



Weight lifting though, U are right to a degree, as long as u give each body part 48 hours rest, u can pretty much lift weights everyday as long as u do different body parts.

If u did the same body part everyday, u wouldnt grow and could actually shrink.

[Axl4Prez2004]

spaghetti_incident, D has some very good advice for you up there. 

I do have to point out an inaccurate statement made by Jessica:  "High levels of protein can give heart attacks to some people, if his metabolism is fast, it means his heart pumps fast too, so your advice is VERY dangerous."

Jessica my dear, I have always had what would be considered a "fast metabolism."  In high school I was 6' 3" and 175 pounds and couldn't put on weight for the life of me.  Back then I wish I had the support system around me to do the necessary weight training necessary to put on bulk, but in the long-run it really doesn't matter.

I'm about 6 pounds heavier now that I'm in my 30's.  But, even with a "fast" metabolism, my resting heart rate is between 40 and 44.  Heart rate has nothing to do with the speed of one's metabolism.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess spaghetti_incident is young (teens or 20's).  My advice would be to evaluate why you even want to "put on extra pounds."  Are you underweight?  Do a google search for a BMI index calculator.  If you are underweight, then yeah, go ahead and get yourself on a good weight-lifting program and continue to eat a healthy diet rich in lean meats, fruits, and veggies.  If it's to get noticed by chicks, it may be more of a low self-esteem issue.  I hope that helps.    

[Donington2007]

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ac tually u are a little wrong about the taking a day off.


Your body actually grows while at rest, not while u are doing the exercise.

If u want to workout into your 70s, your body  needs days to recooperate.


However if u are on a crash get a nice body for summer diet, u don't necessarily have to take days off, but U get better results in the long run taking a day or so off a week.

That being said, U can have a cheat day here and there but even on non workin out days u stay to your diet.

Yeah, that's why I said to drink the shake after working out or swimming. You can feel yourself get hungry while swimming. then when you drink the shake afterwards you can almost feel the protein building muscle while almost motionless.

But I still think it's either hogwash or makes so little difference to take a day off that it doesn't matter. And in the case of a skinny guy needing motivation or a fat person needing motivation, I believe taking a day off from swimming or working out has more negative effects than positive. (psychologically) The same with the advice from some people on losing weight that you can 'cheat once in a while.' Bull shit. You either have control over your mind and food addiction or you're weak. Win or lose, it's up to you. I don't recall alcoholics or heroin addicts being told at aa meetings that they can cheat. Food addiction and skinny guy laziness is just as serious. Been there, done that. (the skinny thing)

I'll elaborate on something else above i wrote. I stuck to the 4,500 calorie diet that I created and also swam every day like an anal retentive freak. For weeks at a time I never missed a meal, shake or swim. It didn't exactly result in .5 pounds a day though. It actually caused no effect on the scale for 2 or 3 days, then my weight would jump a pound or two on day 3 or 4. (weighing myself after waking up and after the morning pee. all food digested and all liquid out of the stomach... minimal weight) But on a graph that I made and kept, the weight was still a perfect line of .5 pounds a day. (getting to the point) If I missed ONE MEAL my wiehgt would NOT jump on the usual day, and the long term graph would have a dip in it. This is the reason why I reccomend not skipping a single meal, shake or work out for the skinny guy thing. At the very least on a drinking night, eat a bunch of crap from the bar kitchen to at least keep your body recieving the calories it is expecting.

For fat people on a diet it must be just as bad. Weight might drop off regularly. Then you confuse the shit out of your body by gorging on Oreo's one night and that has an effect of confusing your body. I'd bet that if someone losing weight kept the same exact diet like I did and charted it on a graph they would probably see that the one 500 calorie Oreo cheat ended up stopping the weight loss for more than would be expected if you used logical math to calculate a number.

I'm not an expert. I only know what works and what fucks shit up. And the excuses people use to rationalize being weak-minded or lazy.

[spaghetti_incident]

Giving an exact diet would take forever.? But brown rice - no pasta, better beef - not fatty beef. Rye bread - not white. Swiss or cheddar cheese (from deli) - not American. Ham (from deli) but not too much... the salt will affect you. Walnuts ("good fat").? Helmains real mayo (don't worry about it). Baked potato with a tad of real butter and a half slice of deli cheddar or deli swiss in it. A brand of chips called Sun Chips in the blue bag... not the flavored kind. 12 oz. OJ with breakfast. 12 ounces of 1.5% or 2% milk with lunch and dinner. 2 slices of rye bread with every meal unless your lunch is a ham and swiss or cheddar sandwich.

You must have good sugar (O.J.) or something that turns to sugar (baked potato, Sun Chips) in every meal or youll fucking pass out if you're eating a high protein diet. If your skin gets red-blotchy youre eating too much protein and not enough other stuff.

Also theres a secret to the weight gain shakes. I know they don't seem to work cuz it happened to me. You have to drink one/half the portion they say for one serving of the powder which should be about 12 ounces of 2% milk and the ammount of powder added should equal 500 calories, and DRINK IT IN BETWEEN MEALS EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT HUNGRY!? Also eat the three square meals and you'll find that the shakes work. they say to drink before, with or after a meal and that won't work for skinny guys with a shrunken stomach cuz you end up eating less food. But your stomach will stretch after a few weeks and it'll all be easier which reminds me, always eat 4 or 5 more bites during every meal and just to the point of feeling sick because your stomach has to be stretched. I know this.

Timing:

First meal
3 hours later a shake
3 hours later second meal
3 hours later a shake
3 hours later the thrid meal.
Healthy snack (1/2 meal) before bed

Meal every 6 hours with shake in between. Trust me?

Swim for excercise and you'll get a cool body and not all body-builder like. Like you'll get a normal fit body.

Swim or excercise in betweem a meal and a shake. (1.5 hours after eating which is the same as 1.5 hours before a shake) The shake will only WORK if you excercise right before drinking the shake. This I know too?

It seems like alot of milk but it's 1.5% or 2% so don;t worry about it. Also drink lots of water in between everything. Youre going to turn into a pissing and crapping machine. You'll be crapping twice a day.

I'm editing in the food I ate as I think of it. Im 5'8" and I went from 125 to 150 pounds in 2 months. My diet had exactly 4,500 calories in it including the two 500 calorie shakes. The first week or two you'll only gain weight slowly. Then you should put on an average of .5 pounds a day. The thing that sucks is you have to do all of this like an anal-retentive freak. You can't let a relative, a girl or anything let you miss a meal or miss a work-out or miss a shake. I used to bring the shake powder to work in a little baggy and another baggie with walnuts in it. It was fucking silly but my female co-workers were all sweatin' me after a month.?

If you drink beer/alcohol one night during a meal time, calculate the beer calories and make sure you get the rest of the calories from that meal time from bar munchies or the kitchen menu. Your body ends up gaining weight like clockwork, and missing a meal throws you 1 to 2 days off rather than 1/3rd of a day off like you would think. It's fucked up, but I know from experience. The SECOND thing that sucks is you have to keep most of this up for most of the rest of your life if you want to stay looking like a sexy bitch cuz it's our skinny guy curse. this I know too.?

    Wow.  That is a lot to remember.  Maybe there is a reason why I am skinny afterall

[Walk]

For healthy bulking, you should lift HEAVY to put on serious mass, as in 4 to 6 reps per set, max. Deadlifts, squats, bench presses, and other compound lifts are nice, while isolation stuff is just gravy. You have to eat a lot of good protein, and yes, whey shakes are very nice.

If you just want to get fat, just eat a lot of healthy stuff. Don't get McDonald's/beer fat. Get sumo fat; those guys are athletes. Getting fat from healthy foods is different from eating crap and punishing your pancreas and risking diabetes. The thing is, eating more will make your body burn more fat, so you have to push yourself to put on mass.

[Bodhi]

6 meals a day...3 food meals 3 shakes...every 2 1/2 to 3 hours.....as far as lifting goes 8-12 reps puts on the most size...split it up 1 body part per day...pair up arms one day ,,,so it should go  chest, back, shoulders, tri/biceps forearms, legs,   those are the splits...5 days per week..gnc weight gainer works good...but food is the best option....i went from 140 lbs to 230 in less than 4 years......these are the things that worked for me...everybody is different though...John Cena does 20 reps per set and uses very light weight....but he works out really fast....i have tried that...it works pretty well to...the 1 thing to understand and this is most important is that the amount of weight you lift does not equal how big you are....you muscles have no idea what weight they are lifting...they only know force...so 20 reps of a lighter weight is just as good if not better than 4-8 reps of a heavy weight.plus you dont risk injury as much...its all in yoru diet...90 percent of how you look is what you are eating...if you are eating properly you can be relatively clueless as far as lifting goes and you will still see results.....if you want more info or got more questions you can IM or PM me....or ill just answer them on here....remember this has worked for me...but everyone is different...someone else can tell you something completely different than what ive told you...

[D]

Donnington u make some good points but I am definitely an exception to what u were saying.


I can be strict 6 days a week, cheat on the 7th and go about my business fine the next day.


I have went from 275 pounds down to 178 using this strategy.

I do agree with u though that NORMAL people probably would be best to not attempt the cheat day, Not at first anyway.

But once u have had tons of success and know what works and what doesn't, u can slip a cheat day in every once in awhile.


I don't recommend it for people starting out though, U are definitely right about that.


What I try to do now is, on rest days from running, I will lift weights, Swim, Do some elliptical work etc

but Thursday, the day after my 10 mile Run, My Body basically said SCrew u I aint doin nothing today ? Im getting close to 30 now and I have to listen to it .

However when i was 18 or 20, I probably wouldn't have to take a day off but its real beneficiary to me now cause it allows me to run my best each time.