censorship

[Bandita]

I understand that the idea of a muse would be of a woman, but the way it was used to refer to Axl, I found a bit ammusing.

Muse is just an alternate word for "inspiration" really and it is almost always used in conjunction with something feminine. ?It's not negative at all. ?

[Howard2k]

First of all, we got a 'tentative' release date that we hope it will be out by.

Second, Merck's statements elude to some possible issues with Axl (I like how Merck refers to the muse as "her") being unavailable to work on the album when recording sessions were scheduled and that the NA tour continued as a cash-grab so they could afford to keep working on CD, which has been speculated before. Now can I be sure that Merck isn't lying - no. Can I be sure that everything in Axl's statement is true - no. If Axl's statement deserves the benefit of the doubt, I can't see why Merck's doesn't also.

And third, I JUST GOT NEGATIVE KARMA!!!!? ? ?I've done way more good for this band than I've done harm. I talk them up to friends that just roll their eyes back at me. I tell people how phenominal the new album is gonna be when it is released before the end of the year. I invite friends and relatives to the shows that normally wouldn't attend. And I've given free promo to this site by wearing my personalized HTGTH shirt to the Cleveland show.

Uuuuuuuuugggggghhhhhh!

You got negative karma not because of a lack of support for the band. You got it for one of the posts you made, and I'm sure you know which one.

Why are my posts about Axl's letter being removed from the thread about Axl's letter? ? ?I'm not bashing the band, Axl or Merck. ? It's just discussion.

We REALLY need a list of the acceptable topics. ? Perhaps you guys can come up with all the acceptable replies and we can just copy and paste that replies into each thread rather than risk coming up with them ourselves.

Easier for you guys (not removing a million posts a day) and easier for us (not having to stress about whether we're allowed to post something or not).

I'll start:

Allowed posts:

"HTGTH Rocks"

"Axl is God"

"Thanks for the letter Axl"

You guys feel free to contribute.

[polluxlm]

I understand that the idea of a muse would be of a woman, but the way it was used to refer to Axl, I found a bit ammusing.

It's not used to refer to Axl. It's used to paint the picture of his recording struggles.

But yeah, it could be an extremely subtle jab at him. But I think the jab lay more in his inabillity to work than the use of 'her'.

[Howard2k]

I understand that the idea of a muse would be of a woman, but the way it was used to refer to Axl, I found a bit ammusing.

It's not used to refer to Axl. It's used to paint the picture of his recording struggles.

But yeah, it could be an extremely subtle jab at him. But I think the jab lay more in his inabillity to work than the use of 'her'.

It's not a jab.   Anyone offended by it clearly doesn't understand the word.   If that's the reason that it's being removed then it's a fucking disgrace and the people that made the decision need a fucking education.

[Bandita]

I understand that the idea of a muse would be of a woman, but the way it was used to refer to Axl, I found a bit ammusing.

It's not used to refer to Axl. It's used to paint the picture of his recording struggles.

But yeah, it could be an extremely subtle jab at him. But I think the jab lay more in his inabillity to work than the use of 'her'.

It's not a jab.? ?Anyone offended by it clearly doesn't understand the word.? ?If that's the reason that it's being removed then it's a fucking disgrace and the people that made the decision need a fucking education.

You're right, in the context it isn't a jab at all.  To work on something you need inspiration or as Merck states, a muse (which is always a word used in conjunction with something or someone feminine).  I believe that is all he meant by it.

[JimBobJoeJackJr]

I understand that the idea of a muse would be of a woman, but the way it was used to refer to Axl, I found a bit ammusing.

It's not used to refer to Axl. It's used to paint the picture of his recording struggles.

But yeah, it could be an extremely subtle jab at him. But I think the jab lay more in his inabillity to work than the use of 'her'.

I stand corrected.

I went back and re-read the statement and I have a better understanding now. I understood it to mean that Axl wasn't showing up at these recording session when in fact has was there, but his inspiration was not.

Since I've been on and whole-heartedly supported the band and never had positive Karma, what do I need to do to get outta the whole?

[polluxlm]

I understand that the idea of a muse would be of a woman, but the way it was used to refer to Axl, I found a bit ammusing.

It's not used to refer to Axl. It's used to paint the picture of his recording struggles.

But yeah, it could be an extremely subtle jab at him. But I think the jab lay more in his inabillity to work than the use of 'her'.

It's not a jab.? ?Anyone offended by it clearly doesn't understand the word.? ?If that's the reason that it's being removed then it's a fucking disgrace and the people that made the decision need a fucking education.

Most probably not, and I believe that too. But there is the possibillity of a jab there if you want it to be.

[Hypird]

i think censorship is too heavy at the moment 

[jarmo]

This is a GN'R site which means this is where you'll find things the band wants their fans to know, such as the letter from Axl.

I feel honoured that the band have chosen this site to be one of the channels used to reach out to us fans. It's definitely not something I ever imagined happening when I started the site over ten years ago.

With that in mind, other people, who aren't involved with the band, might not be able to get their messages posted here. They probably have other ways of getting their messages across anyway.

Like the message on VR's site earlier this year, like all the stupid digs at the band that various people have taken. I don't feel like I have to give people like that more publicity by posting their comments.

In many cases these articles and such are full of lies and speculation. The only thing that comes out of those discussions are posts filled with "these guys suck!", "what a bunch of idiots", "they're right!" and so on.

I don't feel like we need to have that kind of discussions.


I'm speaking generally here and regarding the question in this thread, I can only say it's business as usual as far as I'm concerned. You have Axl's letter here, whatever the rest of the world says is posted somewhere else.

Thank you for understanding.



/jarmo

[nonlinear]

This is a GN'R site which means this is where you'll find things the band wants their fans to know, such as the letter from Axl.

I feel honoured that the band have chosen this site to be one of the channels used to reach out to us fans. It's definitely not something I ever imagined happening when I started the site over ten years ago.

With that in mind, other people, who aren't involved with the band, might not be able to get their messages posted here. They probably have other ways of getting their messages across anyway.

Like the message on VR's site earlier this year, like all the stupid digs at the band that various people have taken. I don't feel like I have to give people like that more publicity by posting their comments.

In many cases these articles and such are full of lies and speculation. The only thing that comes out of those discussions are posts filled with "these guys suck!", "what a bunch of idiots", "they're right!" and so on.

I don't feel like we need to have that kind of discussions.


I'm speaking generally here and regarding the question in this thread, I can only say it's business as usual as far as I'm concerned. You have Axl's letter here, whatever the rest of the world says is posted somewhere else.

Thank you for understanding.



/jarmo

Well put Jarmo!

can you tell us if HTGTH is still financially supported by GNR (bandwidth or your salary, for example)?

and we know that you'll be honest, right??? 

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

I don't feel like I have to give people like that more publicity by posting their comments.

Yesterday, if Merck would've said jump, you would have said how high. Now, that he's no longer in management, you don't wanna give him publicity anymore? I'm not a fan of Merck, but your attitude is very sad...

[Howard2k]

This is a GN'R site which means this is where you'll find things the band wants their fans to know, such as the letter from Axl.

I feel honoured that the band have chosen this site to be one of the channels used to reach out to us fans. It's definitely not something I ever imagined happening when I started the site over ten years ago.

With that in mind, other people, who aren't involved with the band, might not be able to get their messages posted here. They probably have other ways of getting their messages across anyway.

Like the message on VR's site earlier this year, like all the stupid digs at the band that various people have taken. I don't feel like I have to give people like that more publicity by posting their comments.

In many cases these articles and such are full of lies and speculation. The only thing that comes out of those discussions are posts filled with "these guys suck!", "what a bunch of idiots", "they're right!" and so on.

I don't feel like we need to have that kind of discussions.


I'm speaking generally here and regarding the question in this thread, I can only say it's business as usual as far as I'm concerned. You have Axl's letter here, whatever the rest of the world says is posted somewhere else.

Thank you for understanding.



/jarmo

So since yesterday he's not longer relevant to any discussion? 

[Grouse]

I've never really openly critized you Jarmo but for fucks sake stop being such a damn lapdog?

[Naupis]

With that in mind, other people, who aren't involved with the band, might not be able to get their messages posted here. They probably have other ways of getting their messages across anyway.

Does this new rule apply to anyone externally commenting on the band, or only those who's comments are positive? I would hope that the rule will cut both ways and encompass all positive and negative comments made by people not involved with the band, because to only filter the negative ones could be construed as nothing but a propaganda campaign. I know the integrity of this site is above that.

[wells]

This is Guns N' Roses fans site. (Un)fortunately Merck & Guns N' Roses decided to go separate ways. I am sure there is a mutual respect for what has been done in past 5 years. And I think Merck has been great manager... but this is Guns N' Roses site and they chose it to send a message to their fans. This is not a Merck fans site. (Un)fortunately you can not seat on two chairs at the same time...

[flicknn]

This is Guns N' Roses fans site. (Un)fortunately Merck & Guns N' Roses decided to go separate ways. I am sure there is a mutual respect for what has been done in past 5 years. And I think Merck has been great manager... but this is Guns N' Roses site and they chose it to send a message to their fans. This is not a Merck fans site. (Un)fortunately you can not seat on two chairs at the same time...

Not opnly that But i want to really thank jarmo for staying on that path

[nonlinear]

can you tell us if HTGTH is still financially supported by GNR (bandwidth or your salary, for example)?

and we know that you'll be honest, right??? 

I wish Jarmo would answer this question ^^

[TAP]

This is Guns N' Roses fans site. (Un)fortunately Merck & Guns N' Roses decided to go separate ways. I am sure there is a mutual respect for what has been done in past 5 years. And I think Merck has been great manager... but this is Guns N' Roses site and they chose it to send a message to their fans. This is not a Merck fans site. (Un)fortunately you can not seat on two chairs at the same time...

Not opnly that But i want to really thank jarmo for staying on that path

.....as it gets narrower and narrower.

[Naupis]

wish Jarmo would answer this question ^^

That is his personal business, and he does not have to answer to us. However, it does not take a genius to read between the lines about the situation. Draw your own conclusions, just leave them off the board.

[jarmo]

I don't feel like I have to give people like that more publicity by posting their comments.

Yesterday, if Merck would've said jump, you would have said how high. Now, that he's no longer in management, you don't wanna give him publicity anymore? I'm not a fan of Merck, but your attitude is very sad...

Think about this phrase for a moment: Guns N' Roses

That's what this site is dedicated to.

I've never really openly critized you Jarmo but for fucks sake stop being such a damn lapdog 

We're doing the same thing we did yesterday, a week ago, last month etc.

Nothing has changed regarding the board. 

Merck is gone, but it doesn't mean the policies are gonna change.







/jarmo