Al Gore: An Inconvienient Truth

[Guns N RockMusic]

I admit that I was wrong as in their existence.? But they're not common by any stretch compared to the types of stars I mentioned.? Our sun is not going to turn into a red dwarf, which was my point.? Dark matter is still a "new" science and not fully understood, much like anti-matter, worm holes, white-holes etc.

Red dwarfs are thought to be the single most common star type in the universe.

Again, google search and read.

Yes, you're correct: Our sun will not turn into a red dwarf.

Read my edits in last post.

Ok, I was wrong.  And you're right, Red Dwarfs would be common because dark matter is supposed to be every where, but we can't directly observe dark matter and the first article you presented was important because we were able to identify one.

[Guns N RockMusic]

Is no one going to even bother to take a few minutes and watch the video I posted?  I thought the point of message boards were to discuss, not just shake our heads in agreement at whatever the original poster said.  The fact that no one has watched my video prooves the point the episode is trying to make.

[SLCPUNK]

Again, you guys are latching onto something else and trying to fight that. This thread is not about environmentalists, it is about science.

You have been presented with conclusions drawn up using scientific method. Your reply is to address the nutty environmentalists and use two magicians to prove your point.

Do you really think anybody is going to take you seriously, or bother to respond?

[Guns N RockMusic]

Again, you guys are latching onto something else and trying to fight that. This thread is not about environmentalists, it is about science.

You have been presented with conclusions drawn up using scientific method. Your reply is to address the nutty environmentalists and use two magicians to prove your point.

Do you really think anybody is going to take you seriously, or bother to respond?

Did you even watch it?? It's not them talking, they're just the host.? The entire show is commentary from experts.? Last time I checked, Al Gore wasn't a scientist, but a man with an agenda quoting other peoples work.? How is he any different from P&T?

No it is about environmentalist using junk science or science they don't even understand (cited in the episode I posted).  You always are telling other people to read shit from other sources.  I watched Gore's video, all I'm asking is for people who claim to be interested in the issue might want to watch a somewhat entertaining show that tackles the issue.

[Bandita]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4480559399263937213&q=penn+and+teller+bullshit


Please watch this video!? i was looking everywhere to find this on the net.? It does a good job on showing how out of touch the environmental movement is and how poorly informed most of its biggest supporters are.

I call bullshit on your video.

http://home.houston.rr.com/skeptical/arc20030401.html

http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/bullshit.html

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/09/06/16946261.php

I can post a million more of these rebuttals but a simple search by you on Google can do the same.

I think YOU should take a minute to read about the experts used for their opinions in your video.

[SLCPUNK]

Again, all I see is an attack on environmentalists in this video. Not addressing scientists , just like you.

It is not the same issue btw, that is my point!

[Bandita]

Again, all I see is an attack on environmentalists in this video. Not addressing scientists , just like you.

Read the links I posted for what people with a brain think of Penn and Teller's video.

[Guns N RockMusic]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4480559399263937213&q=penn+and+teller+bullshit


Please watch this video!? i was looking everywhere to find this on the net.? It does a good job on showing how out of touch the environmental movement is and how poorly informed most of its biggest supporters are.

I call bullshit on your video.

http://home.houston.rr.com/skeptical/arc20030401.html

http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/bullshit.html

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/09/06/16946261.php

I can post a million more of these rebuttals but a simple search by you on Google can do the same.

I think YOU should take a minute to read about the experts used for their opinions in your video.

So they attack the author of the Skeptical Environmentalist because his degree is in statistics? ?Excuse me, but shouldn't a statistician be the one compiling the data to make sure it's error proof? ?He took the data and observations of hard scientist and compiled it together. ?Statistics are a huge part of political science. ?Anyone college educated would no that Political Science isn't just debating the hot topic of the day. ?Statistics is probably the biggest part of being a political scientist. ?

you already have you mind made up and are choosing who to goto for information. ?The first article make claims that are simply not true. ?Not all scientist agree that the Earth is "warming up" or that man is responsible for it. ?but go ahead and believe what you want to. ?Did you even watch the video or did you immediately google the opinions of others who actually watched it and critiqued it. ?You shouldn't be so quick to let others think for you.

[Guns N RockMusic]

Again, all I see is an attack on environmentalists in this video. Not addressing scientists , just like you.

Read the links I posted for what people with a brain think of Penn and Teller's video.

One of the founders of Green Peace was on there denouncing the whole movement.? You're just upset cause "your brain" would have let you sign the petition to ban Di-Hydrogen Monoxide.

For that matter, can you honestly tell me that most of the people here wouldn't have signed that damn thing?

[Bandita]

Randall, unlike you I don't need my information presented to me in an "entertaining" format to watch it. ?This is an issue I have followed for many years and I have read tons on it, not just looked into it when this thread came to life. ?My opinion was formed after years of being interested in it.

What do you hope to gain by rebutting what is painfully obvious to most educated people in the world?

[Guns N RockMusic]

Randall, unlike you I don't need my information presented to me in an "entertaining" format to watch it.? This is an issue I have followed for many years and I have read tons on it, not just looked into it when this thread came to life.? My opinion was formed after years of being interested in it.

What do you hope to gain by rebutting what is painfully obvious to most educated people in the world?

The funniest thing Bandita is that your articles attack the guys in the episode for being Political Scientist.? But Al Gore, a Politician, is the only speaker in the video this thread is about.? I've done plenty of my own research on the issue.? As I've said the other 10x this issue got brought up, I wrote a 25 page paper on the issue for? my senior thesis in college.? Am I an expert, hell no.? But I defintely know I'm informed on the issue and am not making it as simple as you are.? I provided something entertaining because like the Al Gore video, that's a good way for people to relate and stay focused.

The "most educated people" as you put it don't all universally agree.  Secondly, (I love when this happens) to say that just beceause they're educated means they have to be right is a logical fallacy; an appeal to authority.

[Bandita]

You are talking about two different issues entirely, 1st off as SLC pointed out above.  Now you want to argue about one this thread wasn't even about.

You can write papers on what you like and you can always find information to support however you WANT it to look if you try hard enough.  There will always be at least one person on this planet who agrees with you.

The facts remain though, that the majority do not.

[SLCPUNK]

This is ridiculous Flagg. You are attacking something else altogether in order to ignore the scientific process that concluded that global warming is indeed real and brought on by man.

Why not produce evidence, studies etc that address what the array of scientists in Gore?s movie say? Instead of using magicians to further your straw man bullshit.

[Guns N RockMusic]

http://home.comcast.net/~gunsnrockmusic/Environment.doc

[Bandita]

I can't download your document Randall.

I also find this article interesting-

http://consciousearth.blogspot.com/2006/11/inconvenient-truth-squeezed-from.html

An Inconvenient Truth Squeezed from Classrooms

The producers of An Inconvenient Truth have offered to supply American classrooms with 50,000 copies of the movie free of charge. That offer has been rejected by the National Science Teachers Association (NSTA), the nation's leading science education teachers group, citing a risk to funding from key financial supporters.

One of those supporters is Exxon-Mobil.

The news was buried deep in the Washington Post website and reported by Laurie David, a producer of the film and founder of StopGlobalWarming.org

In their e-mail rejection, they (NSTA) expressed concern that other "special interests" might ask to distribute materials, too; they said they didn't want to offer "political" endorsement of the film; and they saw "little, if any, benefit to NSTA or its members" in accepting the free DVDs.

Gore, however, is not running for office, and the film's theatrical run is long since over. As for classroom benefits, the movie has been enthusiastically endorsed by leading climate scientists worldwide, and is required viewing for all students in Norway and Sweden.

Still, maybe the NSTA just being extra cautious. But there was one more curious argument in the e-mail: Accepting the DVDs, they wrote, would place "unnecessary risk upon the [NSTA] capital campaign, especially certain targeted supporters." One of those supporters, it turns out, is the Exxon Mobil Corp.

Oil industry supporters will be quick to endorse the decision, agreeing that An Inconvenient Truth does indeed represent a special interest. What they will conveniently ignore is that unlike industry friendly messages pushed into the curriculum, An Inconvenient Truth is based on, and endorsed by, objective science - the very subject the National Science Teachers Association says it promotes.

What truth is more inconvenient? It depends where your pay cheque comes from.

And before you get to it Randall I will post the rebuttal:

http://newsbusters.org/node/9262


I also want to add that in my reading today I found that "An Inconvenient Truth" is now becoming required viewing in classrooms in MANY other countries, just not here in the US.  Go figure!!!

[SLCPUNK]

http://home.comcast.net/~gunsnrockmusic/Environment.doc

Wow?. a paper you wrote about those pesky environmentalists, sandwiched in between your views, astounding!

[Guns N RockMusic]

http://home.comcast.net/~gunsnrockmusic/Environment.doc

Wow?. a paper you wrote about those pesky environmentalists, sandwiched in between your views, astounding!

Thank you

[Guns N RockMusic]

I can't download your document Randall.

I also find this article interesting-

http://consciousearth.blogspot.com/2006/11/inconvenient-truth-squeezed-from.html

An Inconvenient Truth Squeezed from Classrooms

The producers of An Inconvenient Truth have offered to supply American classrooms with 50,000 copies of the movie free of charge. That offer has been rejected by the National Science Teachers Association (NSTA), the nation's leading science education teachers group, citing a risk to funding from key financial supporters.

One of those supporters is Exxon-Mobil.

The news was buried deep in the Washington Post website and reported by Laurie David, a producer of the film and founder of StopGlobalWarming.org

In their e-mail rejection, they (NSTA) expressed concern that other "special interests" might ask to distribute materials, too; they said they didn't want to offer "political" endorsement of the film; and they saw "little, if any, benefit to NSTA or its members" in accepting the free DVDs.

Gore, however, is not running for office, and the film's theatrical run is long since over. As for classroom benefits, the movie has been enthusiastically endorsed by leading climate scientists worldwide, and is required viewing for all students in Norway and Sweden.

Still, maybe the NSTA just being extra cautious. But there was one more curious argument in the e-mail: Accepting the DVDs, they wrote, would place "unnecessary risk upon the [NSTA] capital campaign, especially certain targeted supporters." One of those supporters, it turns out, is the Exxon Mobil Corp.

Oil industry supporters will be quick to endorse the decision, agreeing that An Inconvenient Truth does indeed represent a special interest. What they will conveniently ignore is that unlike industry friendly messages pushed into the curriculum, An Inconvenient Truth is based on, and endorsed by, objective science - the very subject the National Science Teachers Association says it promotes.

What truth is more inconvenient? It depends where your pay cheque comes from.

And before you get to it Randall I will post the rebuttal:

http://newsbusters.org/node/9262


I also want to add that in my reading today I found that "An Inconvenient Truth" is now becoming required viewing in classrooms in MANY other countries, just not here in the US.? Go figure!!!

Does this pass the common sense test Bandita?? When's the last time you heard of kids going to school being brainwashed into thinking global warming was a myth.? IN fact, it's the exact opposite.? I remeber being in 4th or 5th grade in 91 or 92 and being scared shitless that all the tigers, whales were going to die and that I was going to be cooked by a hole in the ozone layer.? Ironically, the snow tigers and whales are still alive and that hole magically disappeared.? Exxon Mobil isn't pushing its agenda into our schools, but the leftist ran envrionmental movement sure is.? The party affiliation of the majority of teachers alone speaks to this.

Of couse Sweden and Norway are going to force this film on students.  You're talking about the two most socialist nations in the world.  Of course the governent there supports any science that authorizes it to expand its power.

[Bandita]

So are you now telling me that the Ozone issue was fake too?

Magically dissapeared?  Last I checked it took large scale global coordination to help solve that issue.  Which is simple proof that it can be done again to combat the effects of Global Warming.

I am having a hard time understanding the point you are trying to make.

[SLCPUNK]

I am having a hard time understanding the point you are trying to make.

That is because he does not know the point he is trying to make.