CD Suprise Release Date Theory

[lennonisgod]

When CD comes out this year, I'm going to start a thread with a list of names that have said, "It's not coming out this year." IT WILL BE OUT THIS YEAR and my list of names saying otherwise, is growing by the day. I just think it will be good for a laugh to prove to the people that think they know everything, that they obviously don't.

And how are you so sure?

I have a few different reasons.  Just wait and see Polluxlm, just wait and see.

[polluxlm]

When CD comes out this year, I'm going to start a thread with a list of names that have said, "It's not coming out this year." IT WILL BE OUT THIS YEAR and my list of names saying otherwise, is growing by the day. I just think it will be good for a laugh to prove to the people that think they know everything, that they obviously don't.

And how are you so sure?

I have a few different reasons.? Just wait and see Polluxlm, just wait and see.

You better have, or I'll find out where you live

[Lucky]

you cant be that naive...
they cant release it without anyone knowing about it.
we'll know, even if jesus christ was helping them, we'd know at least 5 days in advance.
and without supreme help, we'd know 10-15 days, if in fact they do want to keep it secret as long as possible.

OK, I got a theory (just a fun idea, please do not delete). What if the record label listed the album with fictitious artist/album name, but the bar codes were correctly linked to CD. This way, the stores would be blissfully unaware until they cracked open their stock on Tuesday AM, only to discover the listing error on the part of the label. This would get CD into the stores under the cover of deliberate incompetence on the part of the label.

stores order the copies in advance. they need to know what they are ordering, and how many copies they are ordering.
you dont expect the record store to order 100 copies of an album "Yellow Monkey" by "fruitlobster".

[JimMorrison4]

I wish you people would realise that there is 1000s of stores world wide.
there are 10000s of people involved in getting the cds to the customer.


you cant be that naive...
they cant release it without anyone knowing about it.
we'll know, even if jesus christ was helping them, we'd know at least 5 days in advance(there's always a judas around).
and without supreme help, we'd know 10-15 days, if in fact they do want to keep it secret as long as possible.

there's no presedan on such event.
in 50 years never did something like that happen.


they might not officially anounce it via press release.
but we'll know. officially or unofficially...
we'll know for crying out loud.

when will you people grow up.


please mysterion, merck, axl,... whever!
stop this nonsence.

Exactly. Thank you. I wonder if the people who think Axl and co. are just trying to surprise everyone believe Santa is the one who's going to put their presents under the tree next month.

[Lucky]

here's something I said on CD.com in a similar thread to this one:

this is serious business.
I doubt they'd gamble with such a serious thing, and explore/experiment with unorthodox methods of promotion and release.

it would be a media suicide.
just imagine this title:

"NuGNR debute flops"
"first week doom for Axl"

because that would happen, if only 300 of us on the net know about the release.

casual fans/listeners would only find out days after the album is released,
and that would mean, that first week sales would be a disaster.
press would tare them apart, and people would lable it trash, without even listening to it.

if they really want to make us go "loco"
they dont need to keep the date a secret.
they only need to confuse the hell out of us.
and we already are confused (intentionally or unitentionally)
simplest way to cofuse the hell out of us, is
send diferent release dates to diferent sources

like send Nov21st to RS, nov28th to Kerrang, dec5th to HMV, dec 12 to Virgin, dec.19th to amazon
and we'd be confused as hell, wouldnt know a god damn thing.

I just dont see the practical use to it, except screwing around with a bunch of exhausted, fans.

[polluxlm]

That would only be true with no promotion at all. One could easily start promotion after the release. After all, that's when people will be buying it.

[Lucky]

That would only be true with no promotion at all. One could easily start promotion after the release. After all, that's when people will be buying it.

there's the mass histeria effect.
when bunch of people do something, the rest will follow.
if a bunch of people were to buy CD when it debutes, the idiots will follow.
if Cd has low sale numbers the first week, the idiots will asume the album will crap, and wont even bother to check it out.

unfortunately thats how the 21st century works. especially in usa/eu

[flicknn]

I wish you people would realise that there is 1000s of stores world wide.
there are 10000s of people involved in getting the cds to the customer.


you cant be that naive...
they cant release it without anyone knowing about it.
we'll know, even if jesus christ was helping them, we'd know at least 5 days in advance(there's always a judas around).
and without supreme help, we'd know 10-15 days, if in fact they do want to keep it secret as long as possible.

there's no presedan on such event.
in 50 years never did something like that happen.


they might not officially anounce it via press release.
but we'll know. officially or unofficially...
we'll know for crying out loud.

when will you people grow up.


please mysterion, merck, axl,... whever!
stop this nonsence.

Exactly. Thank you. I wonder if the people who think Axl and co. are just trying to surprise everyone believe Santa is the one who's going to put their presents under the tree next month.

post of the day ward right there , thanxs for typing what I  have been thinking

[veritas55]

Well, if it is coming out this year, the marketing plan is truly terrible and ill-conceived (as have been the N. America touring plans of 2002 and 2006). ? There is a cool, non- overhyped way to market the mysterious arrival of CD, other than simply providing nothing aside from last-minute news. ?For instance, you buy a series of billboards in LA, NY and Chicago (or handbills) that say something like "Democracy Coming?" or something else, which would generate hype in a less obnxious way than the Jay-Z saturation. ?There are, of course, a thousand other ideas.

But the basic concept is that you definitely need some attention to marketing with this album because its primarily only the hardcore fans that are hyped about this. ?The general public -- which is what you need to reach to have this album be considered a success in light of its costs -- doesn't really know nor care much about this album. ?It just makes no sense to lowball the marketing under these circumstances.

[nonlinear]

Jay-Z and U2 new album already leaked in the internet. If there any chanse for releasing CD this year or this month i think it will be in the net by now with thousands MF downloaders...

not necessarily...  bob dylan's modern times didn't leak until it arrived in stores a couple of days before the release date.  it isn't impossible to prevent leaks.

[Naupis]

To release this album without any promotion is killing it before it even starts.

This album has alot of inherent credibility issues to overcome as it is in terms of public perception. Releasing it with no promo guarantees it will open poorly on the Billboard charts, and it will be killed by the media as a monster bust for selling so few copies opening week. People don't sit there and analyze why that is, they just assume it bombed by selling poorly. There is no way anyone associated with the band can assume that is the best scenario to make this project a success.

The only conclusion we can reach at this time is they must have next to know budget to do any sort of major ad campaign/promo. There is no way the label would tell them they can have a ton of money to promote it, and the management group would say "no thanks" we would rather release it with no promo so no one knows its out. If they had the budget we would be seeing promotion. The fact we are into the middle of November with nothing means they don't have anything to work with financially, so they have to seek other alternative strategy's that can be done at minimal cost.

[Lucky]

Well, if it is coming out this year, the marketing plan is truly terrible and ill-conceived (as have been the N. America touring plans of 2002 and 2006). ? There is a cool, non- overhyped way to market the mysterious arrival of CD, other than simply providing nothing aside from last-minute news. ?For instance, you buy a series of billboards in LA, NY and Chicago (or handbills) that say something like "Democracy Coming?" or something else, which would generate hype in a less obnxious way than the Jay-Z saturation. ?There are, of course, a thousand other ideas.

But the basic concept is that you definitely need some attention to marketing with this album because its primarily only the hardcore fans that are hyped about this. ?The general public -- which is what you need to reach to have this album be considered a success in light of its costs -- doesn't really know nor care much about this album. ?It just makes no sense to lowball the marketing under these circumstances.

well I believe that Axl, Merck, and the rest of the "gang" are doing this in their own interest.
If they are confortable with the way things are going, why should we doubt?
after all, they are the ones risking the most with this kind of behaviour, strategy.

I believe that when the time comes they will unleash the fury of promotion.
I'm sure that the promotion will be well noted, and that it will happen at least 2 weeks before the album is out.

[G N R PIMP]

Well, if it is coming out this year, the marketing plan is truly terrible and ill-conceived (as have been the N. America touring plans of 2002 and 2006). ? There is a cool, non- overhyped way to market the mysterious arrival of CD, other than simply providing nothing aside from last-minute news. ?For instance, you buy a series of billboards in LA, NY and Chicago (or handbills) that say something like "Democracy Coming?" or something else, which would generate hype in a less obnxious way than the Jay-Z saturation. ?There are, of course, a thousand other ideas.

But the basic concept is that you definitely need some attention to marketing with this album because its primarily only the hardcore fans that are hyped about this. ?The general public -- which is what you need to reach to have this album be considered a success in light of its costs -- doesn't really know nor care much about this album. ?It just makes no sense to lowball the marketing under these circumstances.

well I believe that Axl, Merck, and the rest of the "gang" are doing this in their own interest.
If they are confortable with the way things are going, why should we doubt?
after all, they are the ones risking the most with this kind of behaviour, strategy.

I believe that when the time comes they will unleash the fury of promotion.
I'm sure that the promotion will be well noted, and that it will happen at least 2 weeks before the album is out.

if the date is 28th Nov......they better hurry up.

[lennonisgod]

Exactly. Thank you. I wonder if the people who think Axl and co. are just trying to surprise everyone believe Santa is the one who's going to put their presents under the tree next month.

I also wonder why "people" still post on HTGTH when they talk shit about everyone here on Mygnr??  Some things we'll never know.

[Lucky]

Exactly. Thank you. I wonder if the people who think Axl and co. are just trying to surprise everyone believe Santa is the one who's going to put their presents under the tree next month.

I also wonder why "people" still post on HTGTH when they talk shit about everyone here on Mygnr?? Some things we'll never know.

wrong thread dude.

[inho]

I can see the suprise Tuesday release work for a couple of reasons.

1. Most mythical CD to be released, people don't think its coming but it is.

2. Once it hits the shelves everybody will run and hit the shelves after hearing that someone actually went to Best Buy and it was there.

3. posibily that we could hear the single released prior a week to the date it comes out ( kinda of a prequel).

4. Axl and his gang are always up to crazy things.

5. I know it will come and and I bet you ANYTHING WE WILL GET A CONCERT DVD WITH IT.

I really hope it's true as I want to get my hands on the CD, I just cant see how they are going to do it.
Also the advert getting pulled makes it look like another false start.
Like I say hope it comes out but cant see how its feasible so late in the year

[Eazy E]

When CD comes out this year, I'm going to start a thread with a list of names that have said, "It's not coming out this year." IT WILL BE OUT THIS YEAR and my list of names saying otherwise, is growing by the day. I just think it will be good for a laugh to prove to the people that think they know everything, that they obviously don't.

If we get the CD, I don't think anyone will care if they are on the list or not.

Both sides are just waiting to say "SEE? I WAS RIGHT!" to the other... but if you're on the side saying the CD won't be out, your consolation prize for being wrong IS the CD, it's win-win for those people. ?

[lennonisgod]

Exactly. Thank you. I wonder if the people who think Axl and co. are just trying to surprise everyone believe Santa is the one who's going to put their presents under the tree next month.

I also wonder why "people" still post on HTGTH when they talk shit about everyone here on Mygnr?? Some things we'll never know.

wrong thread dude.

Oh, could you point me to Jim's Santa Claus thread then??

[Lesty]

I'm giving the band, management and label a break, and not rip their credibility until the day actually comes when the CD is made available.
For the past 4 years, I've criticized anyone who suggested the "surprise" CD release. Anyone who works in Marketing or Advertising knows the risk of doing this, in addition to the amazingly difficult logistics in actually pulling it off.
As of now, it appears that if the CD comes out on NOV. 28th, it will NOT have any presence in the Sunday circular ads that normally advertise new releases. I've seen the ads through December, and it's not there.

The only possible way I see Nov. 28th happening, is a heavy campaign through TV and internet, as well as possibly selling the CDs at the venues of their tour dates.

I keep telling myself that there's no way a band as big as GnR can tour twice in a 5-year span, in support of a CD that still doesn't exist. It HAS to be coming out. And even with tickets selling well in a lot of markets, they would be selling well in ALL markets if they had a single on the radio and a CD coming out.
It's just crazy.

[Lucky]

Exactly. Thank you. I wonder if the people who think Axl and co. are just trying to surprise everyone believe Santa is the one who's going to put their presents under the tree next month.

I also wonder why "people" still post on HTGTH when they talk shit about everyone here on Mygnr?? Some things we'll never know.

wrong thread dude.

Oh, could you point me to Jim's Santa Claus thread then??

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=39163.msg793366#msg793366