Tonight's show in Portland, ME is cancelled [press release]

[Demon Wolf]

It doesn't matter what they do, there will always be complaining. Even if they perform a kickass show in front of a superb audience... someone will still complain about the setlist, how Finck's own interpretation of the November Rain solo isn't as good as Slash's, why the old members ain't there on stage, why they're not playing more new songs, why Chinese Democracy isn't released, why is there no single, why Axl has cornrows, how the nickname Bumblefoot isn't as cool as Slash, why Tommy Stinson isn't a fashion consultant...

So let's just support the band. Constructive critiscism is great, but is there really a point saying: "slash isnt ther, dey suck so much nao. ktxhbai" ?

I hope Worcester rocks!

 

[jarmo]

Read the press release again until you realize who's fault it was.

The band wanted to play the show, but some people decided GN'R weren't welcome at the venue.


/jarmo

And you believe this?   Wow.   

Maybe, just maybe, Axl saw a less than half empty arena coming and pulled his bi-polar act hoping that Worcester would sell better.  No one in their right mind believes the fire marshall and Portland officials have it out for GNR.   

I can't believe the shit you post.


You can't see how full an arena is before the doors open. Go figure.

The band didn't have to offer Portland fans the opportunity to exchange their tickets to Worcester. They could've just said "get a refund".

Axl didn't cancel the show. There's a bunch of people who work for the bands that tour. It's these peoples' job to make sure the tour works. It's not like Axl is handling every job on the tour like some of you believe.

Axl does not hook up Dizzy's keyboards before the show, Axl does not send out tickets, Axl does not drive the trucks with equipment to the shows, he does not book the gigs himself etc etc. There's lots of people on the crew who do these jobs for the band. Time to realize that.




/jarmo

[anythinggoes]

It's not like Axl is handling every job on the tour like some of you believe.

Axl does not hook up Dizzy's keyboards before the show, Axl does not send out tickets, Axl does not drive the trucks with equipment to the shows, he does not book the gigs himself etc etc. There's lots of people on the crew who do these jobs for the band. Time to realize that.




/jarmo

Sorry but wouldnt that be some funny stuff to see Axl walking up you driveway delivering the tickets, then when you get to the arena the trucks arrive an Axls head popping out the window backing the truck into its allocated space, and then while your standing waiting seeing Axl running about doing all the equipment checks etc.



Lets face it the show didnt happen we got a press release, a lot of us believe it like me, others have to think there is always another reason and that every thing the band says is lies, because the press never lie do they. 

[Ellroy]

Read the press release again until you realize who's fault it was.

The band wanted to play the show, but some people decided GN'R weren't welcome at the venue.


/jarmo

And you believe this?? ?Wow.? ?

Maybe, just maybe, Axl saw a less than half empty arena coming and pulled his bi-polar act hoping that Worcester would sell better.? No one in their right mind believes the fire marshall and Portland officials have it out for GNR.? ?

I can't believe the shit you post.


You can't see how full an arena is before the doors open. Go figure.

The band didn't have to offer Portland fans the opportunity to exchange their tickets to Worcester. They could've just said "get a refund".

Axl didn't cancel the show. There's a bunch of people who work for the bands that tour. It's these peoples' job to make sure the tour works. It's not like Axl is handling every job on the tour like some of you believe.

Axl does not hook up Dizzy's keyboards before the show, Axl does not send out tickets, Axl does not drive the trucks with equipment to the shows, he does not book the gigs himself etc etc. There's lots of people on the crew who do these jobs for the band. Time to realize that.




/jarmo

Agreed. Believe it or not Axl is not the only person in the world. As jarmo said, there are a bunch of people who are on tour with them. Also, as was said before, the fire marshalls were NAMED in the press release. You can't just go naming people that didn't have anything to do with the cancellation. That's called libel and it is an offense worthy of a lawsuit. If GNR are sued for libel then they made it all up, if not then we might have to accept that there were strict regulations at this particular venue that the band and the suits were not willing to accept.
 ? ? ? ?So we could believe in a huge conspiracy that involves Axl seeing the future and knowing that no one will buy tickets the day of the concert, cancelling the show, paying off two completely innocent individuals to take the fall for him, and offering exchanges for the next show in order to appear as if he was genuinely sorry for what happened (when in reality he's really laughing maniacally while reading our comments on the board) or we could believe that GNR felt they were being treated unfairly and could not put on the show they wanted. Isn't the simplest explanation usually the right one?

[veritas55]

I'm sure Jarmo didn't mind the 5 hour bus ride for a no-show: ?hey, it's rock-n-roll, baby! 

I won't bother re-posting all the stuff that got deleted by the unceremonious dumping of the entire other thread (which, by the way, is really disrespectful of people who take the time to contribute and post on the board, and aren't just posting personal insults or empty negative stuff). ?All I can say is that I have yet to see any evidence that the so-called restrictions placed on the band were severe enough to warrant calling off the show (or were not severe enough to justify the show going forward). ?Given that just about every other major artist has played the venue with no problems, I suspect -- but don't know, obviously -- that the restrictions were not ridiculous, and were probably pyro-based (which is understandable in the New England area).

[Rhino]

Read the press release again until you realize who's fault it was.

The band wanted to play the show, but some people decided GN'R weren't welcome at the venue.


/jarmo

And you believe this?? ?Wow.? ?

Maybe, just maybe, Axl saw a less than half empty arena coming and pulled his bi-polar act hoping that Worcester would sell better.? No one in their right mind believes the fire marshall and Portland officials have it out for GNR.? ?

I can't believe the shit you post.


You can't see how full an arena is before the doors open. Go figure.

The band didn't have to offer Portland fans the opportunity to exchange their tickets to Worcester. They could've just said "get a refund".

Axl didn't cancel the show. There's a bunch of people who work for the bands that tour. It's these peoples' job to make sure the tour works. It's not like Axl is handling every job on the tour like some of you believe.

Axl does not hook up Dizzy's keyboards before the show, Axl does not send out tickets, Axl does not drive the trucks with equipment to the shows, he does not book the gigs himself etc etc. There's lots of people on the crew who do these jobs for the band. Time to realize that.




/jarmo

I love GnR, But why then does this stuff happen all the time to Guns n Roses and their fans. It happened in the 80' the 90' and in the 2000's. Look at the constant varible.Im just stating the facts. It is wrong to cancel a show hours in advance. The things they claim killed the show are worked out weeks/months in advance they have to be. It is an unrealistic excuse, and even if it was true then play the show without the pyro, im sure the fans would rather that than no show at all ...its about the music not the fireworks.

[WARose]

Read the press release again until you realize who's fault it was.

The band wanted to play the show, but some people decided GN'R weren't welcome at the venue.


/jarmo

And you believe this?   Wow.   

Maybe, just maybe, Axl saw a less than half empty arena coming and pulled his bi-polar act hoping that Worcester would sell better.  No one in their right mind believes the fire marshall and Portland officials have it out for GNR.   

I can't believe the shit you post.


You can't see how full an arena is before the doors open. Go figure.

The band didn't have to offer Portland fans the opportunity to exchange their tickets to Worcester. They could've just said "get a refund".

Axl didn't cancel the show. There's a bunch of people who work for the bands that tour. It's these peoples' job to make sure the tour works. It's not like Axl is handling every job on the tour like some of you believe.

Axl does not hook up Dizzy's keyboards before the show, Axl does not send out tickets, Axl does not drive the trucks with equipment to the shows, he does not book the gigs himself etc etc. There's lots of people on the crew who do these jobs for the band. Time to realize that.




/jarmo

Agreed. Believe it or not Axl is not the only person in the world. As jarmo said, there are a bunch of people who are on tour with them. Also, as was said before, the fire marshalls were NAMED in the press release. You can't just go naming people that didn't have anything to do with the cancellation. That's called libel and it is an offense worthy of a lawsuit. If GNR are sued for libel then they made it all up, if not then we might have to accept that there were strict regulations at this particular venue that the band and the suits were not willing to accept.
        So we could believe in a huge conspiracy that involves Axl seeing the future and knowing that no one will buy tickets the day of the concert, cancelling the show, paying off two completely innocent individuals to take the fall for him, and offering exchanges for the next show in order to appear as if he was genuinely sorry for what happened (when in reality he's really laughing maniacally while reading our comments on the board) or we could believe that GNR felt they were being treated unfairly and could not put on the show they wanted. Isn't the simplest explanation usually the right one?

i think it`s definitely part of the truth, you know what i mean?    it`s not the main part though...

i don`t know what happened and i hope everything is well, but the possibilty of axl jumping the gun should not be dismissed...

[jarmo]

I'm sure Jarmo didn't mind the 5 hour bus ride for a no-show:  hey, it's rock-n-roll, baby! 

Thanks for your concern.

It was a seven hour bus ride.




/jarmo

[snooze72]

Axl didn't cancel the show. There's a bunch of people who work for the bands that tour. It's these peoples' job to make sure the tour works. It's not like Axl is handling every job on the tour like some of you believe.

Axl does not hook up Dizzy's keyboards before the show, Axl does not send out tickets, Axl does not drive the trucks with equipment to the shows, he does not book the gigs himself etc etc. There's lots of people on the crew who do these jobs for the band. Time to realize that.

Yeah, it's weird how he has a whole new crew for this tour, and they still will blow off 3000+ much needed fans just to be able to win some pissing contest with some authority figure -- just like all the other crews. ?I think he needs a new Human Resources Deptartment. ?

And while the 'all or nothing' attitude may look good on paper, I think that if the 3000+ fans milling around the venue or in transit would have been asked, they would have opted for a slightly less bit of staging rather than no show at all. ? Hell, he could have played AND given them free tickets to the next gig to make sure they got the 'best' show. ?I bet you would have agreed to that one.

I do agree with you that the crew wouldn't be blameless. ?If it really was just a flat out ego clash or the FMs unfairly throwing their weight around, the crew should have been able to totally shield Axl from the drama. ?He didn't even have to know there was an 'issue' until he was already on stage and performing. ?Let him throw a hissy fit AFTER the gig. ? "Gee, Axl, we didn't think they were serious but they put their foot down mid-set, what could we do?"

(BTW, where exactly was Merck?)

[russtcb]

Read the press release again until you realize who's fault it was.

The band wanted to play the show, but some people decided GN'R weren't welcome at the venue.


/jarmo

And you believe this?? ?Wow.? ?

Maybe, just maybe, Axl saw a less than half empty arena coming and pulled his bi-polar act hoping that Worcester would sell better.? No one in their right mind believes the fire marshall and Portland officials have it out for GNR.? ?

I can't believe the shit you post.


You can't see how full an arena is before the doors open. Go figure.

The band didn't have to offer Portland fans the opportunity to exchange their tickets to Worcester. They could've just said "get a refund".

Axl didn't cancel the show. There's a bunch of people who work for the bands that tour. It's these peoples' job to make sure the tour works. It's not like Axl is handling every job on the tour like some of you believe.

Axl does not hook up Dizzy's keyboards before the show, Axl does not send out tickets, Axl does not drive the trucks with equipment to the shows, he does not book the gigs himself etc etc. There's lots of people on the crew who do these jobs for the band. Time to realize that.




/jarmo

I love GnR, But why then does this stuff happen all the time to Guns n Roses and their fans. It happened in the 80' the 90' and in the 2000's. Look at the constant varible.Im just stating the facts. It is wrong to cancel a show hours in advance. The things they claim killed the show are worked out weeks/months in advance they have to be. It is an unrealistic excuse, and even if it was true then play the show without the pyro, im sure the fans would rather that than no show at all ...its about the music not the fireworks.

This stuff happens to other bands and their fans alot. You just never hear about it because the press and "fans" don't blow it out of purportion.

[jarmo]

More importantly, we have been informed that officials intend to enforce rules and regulations that should not and do not apply in this venue.

That probably means they were threatened with fines or maybe a show cut short if they didn't do what the fire people asked....

That's how you enforce rules. Or send people to jail......


/jarmo

[Annie]

I believe the press release. These two fire marshalls could have been on some bizarre power trip.

[veritas55]

Thanks for your concern.

It was a seven hour bus ride.


/jarmo

yikes -- that's a long ride. ?Seriously, that's no fun (although maybe it turned into something fun).

[CAFC Nick]

As long as the tour remains unaffected in the long-run, It doesn't really matter that this show was cancelled.

[veritas55]

I believe the press release. These two fire marshalls could have been on some bizarre power trip.

I do too. ?And I don't think Axl was sitting there having anything to do with the negotiations. ?Instead, it was management versus the fire marshals, and then Axl made the ultimate decision. ?Fire marshals can sometimes be very unreasonable, and they may well have been extremely unreasonable last night. ?BUT the issue for debate is whether the restrictions were such that GnR could not provide a worthwhile show. ? We need to find out what specific restrictions were imposed.

[LittleFly]

On subject of the tour, I forgot; when do we get back on track? Tonight or tomorrow?

Tomorrow night

[CAFC Nick]

I believe the press release. These two fire marshalls could have been on some bizarre power trip.

I do too.  And I don't think Axl was sitting there having anything to do with the negotiations.  Instead, it was management versus the fire marshals, and then Axl made the ultimate decision.  Fire marshals can sometimes be very unreasonable, and they may well have been extremely unreasonable last night.  BUT the issue for debate is whether the restrictions were such that GnR could not provide a worthwhile show.   We need to find out what specific restrictions were imposed.

Was it the pyro during Live and Let Die and NR that caused the fire marshalls to go a bit nuts?

[requiem156]

Read the press release again until you realize who's fault it was.

The band wanted to play the show, but some people decided GN'R weren't welcome at the venue.


/jarmo

And you believe this?? ?Wow.? ?

Maybe, just maybe, Axl saw a less than half empty arena coming and pulled his bi-polar act hoping that Worcester would sell better.? No one in their right mind believes the fire marshall and Portland officials have it out for GNR.? ?

I can't believe the shit you post.


You can't see how full an arena is before the doors open. Go figure.

The band didn't have to offer Portland fans the opportunity to exchange their tickets to Worcester. They could've just said "get a refund".

Axl didn't cancel the show. There's a bunch of people who work for the bands that tour. It's these peoples' job to make sure the tour works. It's not like Axl is handling every job on the tour like some of you believe.

Axl does not hook up Dizzy's keyboards before the show, Axl does not send out tickets, Axl does not drive the trucks with equipment to the shows, he does not book the gigs himself etc etc. There's lots of people on the crew who do these jobs for the band. Time to realize that.




/jarmo

I love GnR, But why then does this stuff happen all the time to Guns n Roses and their fans. It happened in the 80' the 90' and in the 2000's. Look at the constant varible.Im just stating the facts. It is wrong to cancel a show hours in advance. The things they claim killed the show are worked out weeks/months in advance they have to be. It is an unrealistic excuse, and even if it was true then play the show without the pyro, im sure the fans would rather that than no show at all ...its about the music not the fireworks.

This stuff happens to other bands and their fans alot. You just never hear about it because the press and "fans" don't blow it out of purportion.

Well, you have to admit, there is a sort of precedent. I mean, either Axl really has the absolute worst luck of any rock star I've ever heard of(not entirely impossible), or he plays some role in this kind of stuff happening - GNR has more negative coincidences taking place than any other band I've ever heard of.

However, I'm no more pissed about it than I would be with any other band. It's just disappointing because I bothered to take a day off from work, etc.

[jarmo]

I'm not sure if it's just about pyro.

Fans don't get harrassed or threatened about pyro issues.

The fire marshalls probably had a list of things that weren't allowed to happen.

This quote is what I'm talking about:

it is of paramount importance that our fans have the best experience possible without being harassed and threatened.

/jarmo

[Sandinista]

I can't see the connection between fire marshalls and harassment, unless the venue's policy is that marshalls must be drunk and beligerant at all times.