Israel : 18 deads. Kids.

[Sakib]

Your reasoning and assumptions are so ridiculously wrong.? Yes, i was taught to fight back if someone provokes me, its called defending yourself.? Was I told to fight back and kick someone when they are down? no.? there is a huge difference in defending yourself and putting someone in the hospital.? If someone consistantly harrassed me, I would kick the living shit out of them when i was pushed to far.? thats how you get them to stop.? Whether or not they are the "little kid getting picked on" is irrelevant.? if the little kid is always pestering and bothering the big kid, one of these days he is going to get his ass kicked and learn his lesson, the hard way.

in regards to your issues with israel and the land/sharing arguement - none of that warrants violence.? Especialy terrorism.? You get upset about innocent palestinians getting killed...do the suicide bombers target israel military targets only? ? I don't think so, last i checked the military wasn't hanging out in shopping malls or Sbarros.? I would have a great deal more sympathy for the palestinians if they marched PEACEFULLY, held PEACEFUL Protests....i gaurantee the rest of the world would sympathize too.? If Martin Luther King Jr. or Ghandi used the terror tactics of the palestinains none of their people would have the freedom they have today.

As for your laughable ben laden example.? the key words you used were "in his head".? yeah, in his head he thinks he did the right thing and he was justified.? Do I? Did the world?? I don't think I need to answer that question.?

Let me ask you this - do YOU think he did the right thing??

answer to the question in bold obviously yes. To be honest due to weakness of both governments its happened the way it has. Palestinians have gone mentally insane and they've bugger all resources compared to Israel. Israel government is USAs pet dog so if USA government unstable like Bush Admin then israel is suffering to. All Palestine want is Palestine and part of Jerusalem. To be honest all the world leaders are a bunch of morons; thats every1. i cant rely on a single government except maybe China

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

there is a problem of logic in this whole situation

we ( i am putting away all the war, ) are trying to judge and analyse a situation that is not balanced.

we are trying to judge the whole situation despite the fact that the situation is not balanced.
you cannot try to reason 2 kids when one has the whole cake in his mouth and the other is crying. of course the poor one is going to fight back and rebel.

we are saddened and alarmed by the fact that palestinian are praising terrorism: they fuckin live like animals in a cage.
israel on its side, is praised for its "self defense" stance: of course, they have 85% of the ressource and occupying land illegaly.

so yeah, they can put forward the self defense thing, as long as they keep this land.

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.


negotiations and an issue can be found ONLY if we take the whole thing to a balanced state. a state where both party are at the same level.
until then people are going to die, and the usa are going to be hated in the world.


anyway.

[Alina]

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.

( I dont wont to start  argument ) it not was like that  -I'm only half jew
and not realy patriotic ,  but  jew people live there much before the palestinians came to that area.

[Sakib]

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.

( I dont wont to start? argument ) it not was like that? -I'm only half jew
and not realy patriotic ,? but? jew people live there much before the palestinians came to that area.

and vice verca for centuries.

[The Dog]

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.

( I dont wont to start  argument ) it not was like that  -I'm only half jew
and not realy patriotic ,  but  jew people live there much before the palestinians came to that area.

It's not even about "who was there first", its about who is there now.  Israel was able to expand its borders AFTER they were attacked by several arab nations. if they wanted too, they could have gone A LOT further then they chose.  The arab armies were thoroughly defeated and defenseless.  However, that restraint has not been rewarded at all.

what-ever conviently leaves out the fact that israel was given the land, they didn't "just come in and steal it".  it was recognized by the UN.  If you want to point fingers, point them at the ones who awarded the land to israel, not the ones who were desperate to take it.

[Sakib]

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.

( I dont wont to start? argument ) it not was like that? -I'm only half jew
and not realy patriotic ,? but? jew people live there much before the palestinians came to that area.

It's not even about "who was there first", its about who is there now.? Israel was able to expand its borders AFTER they were attacked by several arab nations. if they wanted too, they could have gone A LOT further then they chose.? The arab armies were thoroughly defeated and defenseless.? However, that restraint has not been rewarded at all.

what-ever conviently leaves out the fact that israel was given the land, they didn't "just come in and steal it".? it was recognized by the UN.? If you want to point fingers, point them at the ones who awarded the land to israel, not the ones who were desperate to take it.

they're symbiotical you cant do that.

[The Dog]

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.

( I dont wont to start  argument ) it not was like that  -I'm only half jew
and not realy patriotic ,  but  jew people live there much before the palestinians came to that area.

It's not even about "who was there first", its about who is there now.  Israel was able to expand its borders AFTER they were attacked by several arab nations. if they wanted too, they could have gone A LOT further then they chose.  The arab armies were thoroughly defeated and defenseless.  However, that restraint has not been rewarded at all.

what-ever conviently leaves out the fact that israel was given the land, they didn't "just come in and steal it".  it was recognized by the UN.  If you want to point fingers, point them at the ones who awarded the land to israel, not the ones who were desperate to take it.

they're symbiotical you cant do that.

"Whatever! I DO WHAT I WANT!"

 


all jokes aside, what are you referring to that is symbiotical?

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.

( I dont wont to start  argument ) it not was like that  -I'm only half jew
and not realy patriotic ,  but  jew people live there much before the palestinians came to that area.

It's not even about "who was there first", its about who is there now.  Israel was able to expand its borders AFTER they were attacked by several arab nations. if they wanted too, they could have gone A LOT further then they chose.  The arab armies were thoroughly defeated and defenseless.  However, that restraint has not been rewarded at all.

what-ever conviently leaves out the fact that israel was given the land, they didn't "just come in and steal it".  it was recognized by the UN.  If you want to point fingers, point them at the ones who awarded the land to israel, not the ones who were desperate to take it.

what the UN recognize is NOT what's happening right now. israel is occupying a lot of land.

but i'm glad someone sincerely admits that israel " was able to expande the borders, and they could have taken alot more"
im glad, at least, you see how wrong this nation is. and how savage they act. just like the usa.

just a violent nation just a violent nation.

violence for the people, violence for the people. give the kids what they want.
you guys just love it and you get what you deserve sometimes

[The Dog]

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.

( I dont wont to start  argument ) it not was like that  -I'm only half jew
and not realy patriotic ,  but  jew people live there much before the palestinians came to that area.

It's not even about "who was there first", its about who is there now.  Israel was able to expand its borders AFTER they were attacked by several arab nations. if they wanted too, they could have gone A LOT further then they chose.  The arab armies were thoroughly defeated and defenseless.  However, that restraint has not been rewarded at all.

what-ever conviently leaves out the fact that israel was given the land, they didn't "just come in and steal it".  it was recognized by the UN.  If you want to point fingers, point them at the ones who awarded the land to israel, not the ones who were desperate to take it.

what the UN recognize is NOT what's happening right now. israel is occupying a lot of land.

but i'm glad someone sincerely admits that israel " was able to expande the borders, and they could have taken alot more"
im glad, at least, you see how wrong this nation is. and how savage they act. just like the usa.

just a violent nation just a violent nation.

violence for the people, violence for the people. give the kids what they want.
you guys just love it and you get what you deserve sometimes

HAHAHAH you just proved my point!  I love how you leave out the part of my quote that talks about Israel BEING ATTACKED!!! HAHAHAHA  They wouldn't have expanded if they weren't attacked in the first place! HAHA Do you see the irony of your comments??  you are always good for a laugh, who needs TV! hahahahahah

I guess you're right though, we are a violent nation, unlike the French who rather then fight back just let German tanks roll through France      Of course when us violent Americans came to liberate your country, I'm sure your family wasn't complaining then.    Then again, you probably liked the Nazis b/c they didn't like the Jews.  Wow, what a conflict of interest that would have been for you eh? 

[1987]

i believe that isreal does not target civilians and that there deaths are an accident.  I understand that when the enemy is cowardly hiding and using civilians as a sheild...  there will be civilian casualties.  But the media here in the US really kills me.. you have animals in hoods brutally saw off the head of an innocent civilian jounalist..   and people still question who the bad guys are....  i just don't get it..   the islamic extremest have zero regard for human life and the only kind of negotiation they understand is blood and guns.   
i hope  no one take offense.. i do not mean all Muslums.. i know very well that the extremest are a very small percentage of a world religion.  just like catholics have nut jobs that blow up abortion clinics... alll religions have extreme nut jobs.  and the islamic fundamentalist nut jobs are the ones that are threatening the safty of the free world

[SLCPUNK]

Israel pumps MILLIONS into lobbyists in America to make sure they are portrayed in a good light by our media. The pro Israel Lobby is one of the most powerful in our capital. Specific words are frowned on, or substituted with others that completely change the story or at the very least soften it. Half the story is often left out, especially if it portrays Israel in a bad light. They oppress these people, and then turn around and spend tons of money to make sure we do not see it that way.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

it would be like, me coming to your house, stealing some stuff, then when you try to take it back, defending myself ... wrong.

( I dont wont to start  argument ) it not was like that  -I'm only half jew
and not realy patriotic ,  but  jew people live there much before the palestinians came to that area.

It's not even about "who was there first", its about who is there now.  Israel was able to expand its borders AFTER they were attacked by several arab nations. if they wanted too, they could have gone A LOT further then they chose.  The arab armies were thoroughly defeated and defenseless.  However, that restraint has not been rewarded at all.

what-ever conviently leaves out the fact that israel was given the land, they didn't "just come in and steal it".  it was recognized by the UN.  If you want to point fingers, point them at the ones who awarded the land to israel, not the ones who were desperate to take it.

what the UN recognize is NOT what's happening right now. israel is occupying a lot of land.

but i'm glad someone sincerely admits that israel " was able to expande the borders, and they could have taken alot more"
im glad, at least, you see how wrong this nation is. and how savage they act. just like the usa.

just a violent nation just a violent nation.

violence for the people, violence for the people. give the kids what they want.
you guys just love it and you get what you deserve sometimes

HAHAHAH you just proved my point!  I love how you leave out the part of my quote that talks about Israel BEING ATTACKED!!! HAHAHAHA  They wouldn't have expanded if they weren't attacked in the first place! HAHA Do you see the irony of your comments??  you are always good for a laugh, who needs TV! hahahahahah

I guess you're right though, we are a violent nation, unlike the French who rather then fight back just let German tanks roll through France      Of course when us violent Americans came to liberate your country, I'm sure your family wasn't complaining then.    Then again, you probably liked the Nazis b/c they didn't like the Jews.  Wow, what a conflict of interest that would have been for you eh? 

made no sense.
there is no "attacked in the first place "
we have a situation now.
that is not fair.
we fix it. then we talk.
until then, our judgements are false.

and i'm not even going to answer your comments on ww2 and nazi and coward french  ... they're stupid , and you know it

1987: i wish it was that easy. but it's not. that is not spiderman movie sorry, no big bad guy. i know you guys are used to be shown "esay to understand black and white good and evil kind of stories ..."

[Alina]

believe that isreal does not target civilians and that there deaths are an accident

 

I live in IL and sometimes watch the news of course it was an accident , and the palistinians  make a big deal from this only when they need the press , couse I saw a lot of times on TV , that when the soldiers come to their homes and they have information that in this house hiding terorist when they entering the house they find ,terorist stand behind some children back so the soldier cant shot him ! a lot of times they walk in the street and hide behind they children or wife .

[Izzy]

Your all still trying to place blame somewhere

'Israel doesn't target civilians'

'The Palestinians are fighting occuptation'

While these groups believe what they do is right it will continue forever

Both sides are evil, they have committed unspeakable atrocities. Palestinians blew up resturants, Israel blows up city block, its tit for tat

When they are both isolated and face universal condemnation - then it will stop

But lest face it - no one wants it to stop

The Israelis and Palestinians actively work against anything that would lead to peace

Both sides love the current situation as it validates both, it gives them something to believe in and gives them a purpose

America loves the situation because they can sell billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel, have influence in the area and fight muslims in true crusading style

Muslims love it because they can fight America and satisfy their own paranoia that everyone is out to get them

When America disowns Israel and Islam disowns Palestine there will be peace

[Sakib]

i heard of plenty of cases where Palestinians been innocently attacked, i'm suprised it got noticed so late. I'm sure it happens at the drop of a hat and ditto for opposition too.
As far as i know Hamas need counciling and Israel if they're not targetting civilians need to employ soldiers not morons with the aim of a headless chicken.
Btw 1987 who's to say Israel dont target civilians? I know someone who's family joined the israeli army back in mid-90s and said he went brain washed and nuts.

[Sakib]

Your all still trying to place blame somewhere

'Israel doesn't target civilians'

'The Palestinians are fighting occuptation'

While these groups believe what they do is right it will continue forever

Both sides are evil, they have committed unspeakable atrocities. Palestinians blew up resturants, Israel blows up city block, its tit for tat

When they are both isolated and face universal condemnation - then it will stop

But lest face it - no one wants it to stop

The Israelis and Palestinians actively work against anything that would lead to peace

Both sides love the current situation as it validates both, it gives them something to believe in and gives them a purpose

America loves the situation because they can sell billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel, have influence in the area and fight muslims in true crusading style

Muslims love it because they can fight America and satisfy their own paranoia that everyone is out to get them

When America disowns Israel and Islam disowns Palestine there will be peace

Why would Islam disown Palestine? Palestine has a lot of religious significance and in Jerusalem Masjid al-Aqsa, third holiest mosque in the world so israel is bloody significant. Anyway in Bethlehem, the church where xmas nativities are held are opened by Muslim keeper so peace can be attained.

[Izzy]

Your all still trying to place blame somewhere

'Israel doesn't target civilians'

'The Palestinians are fighting occuptation'

While these groups believe what they do is right it will continue forever

Both sides are evil, they have committed unspeakable atrocities. Palestinians blew up resturants, Israel blows up city block, its tit for tat

When they are both isolated and face universal condemnation - then it will stop

But lest face it - no one wants it to stop

The Israelis and Palestinians actively work against anything that would lead to peace

Both sides love the current situation as it validates both, it gives them something to believe in and gives them a purpose

America loves the situation because they can sell billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel, have influence in the area and fight muslims in true crusading style

Muslims love it because they can fight America and satisfy their own paranoia that everyone is out to get them

When America disowns Israel and Islam disowns Palestine there will be peace

Why would Islam disown Palestine? Palestine has a lot of religious significance and in Jerusalem Masjid al-Aqsa, third holiest mosque in the world so israel is bloody significant. Anyway in Bethlehem, the church where xmas nativities are held are opened by Muslim keeper so peace can be attained.

What did i just write? Did u read any of it?

I didnt say Palestinians should leave their land - i said Muslims should disown the terrorists activities of Palestinians

When people stop defending the crimes of both sides things will change

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

Izzy made a lot of sense.

i have NEVER read any israel supporter blame israel policies or anything.

and i am shocked that i can see people from across the globe, in montana or ohio, defending israel with such wrath.

i mean. where does it come from ? but from a one angle point of  view of the evil palestinian and the poor israeli.

as izzy noted, both side are evil.
but one side has the power and money to make things change, in the right way, the other side is just surviving.
and i'm sorry.

i mean, 2 countries build a wall in the desert, a wall in the desert.

[Alina]

but one side has the power and money to make things change, in the right way, the other side is just surviving.

Israel does want piece , but cant do nothing about, couse they fighting not against country ,they fight against terrorist organisations , they find consensus  with one organisation , then pop up another organisation that doesnt happy .

[The Dog]

but one side has the power and money to make things change, in the right way, the other side is just surviving.

Israel does want piece , but cant do nothing about, couse they fighting not against country ,they fight against terrorist organisations , they find consensus  with one organisation , then pop up another organisation that doesnt happy .

yeah, its funny how one side is "just surviving".  Somehow they find the $$ to come up with bombs and rockets though.