Beta's post/Fire Marshalls

[polluxlm]

Just doing my job.

I know. I just thought you understood I'm not a guy to be worrying about here. But ok, no hard feelings.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Beta's post should be the answer to all the whiners complaining about no explination. Though there is never pleasing some people. Speaking for myself, I appreciate the fact she posted on this board to try to clear up the details surrounding the cancellation. Lets move on and by MSG I expect this to be a dead topic. ( Thank God!)

[fixintodie]

My vote goes to Beta to write all future GNR press releases. ?She even uses the f-word for some attitude.

My vote too. But GNR fans are still waiting for Democracy.

[Outtagetme]

What we've got here is a case of GN'R's past reputation generating pre-conceived beliefs that the show will be a riot or an inevitable disaster.  This band, and for Del's sake, I will stress BAND, is working hard to promote a good image for themselves as reliable and fan friendly.  We often overlook the good things they have done for us this year- they finally brought us a tour in which they have fulfilled almost every commitment without major incidents, they set up special pre-sales for US, they gave us Bumblefoot, who is probably the nicest and most accessible band member of any band with the stature of GN'R, Axl's been in a good mood and has been friendly to many people.  He didn't even knock out Tommy Hilfiger when he should of and had the opportunity to do so.  Regardless of what many think, this band is trying to portray itself as fan-friendly and reliable. 

What it seems to me is that the fire marshal has been sitting around his office reading past stories of incidents that happened in the early 90's, Philadelphia and Vancouver in 2002, and shit like that.  They obviously were upset that GN'R were in town and wanted to make them feel like a felon on Parole who just was released early from prison.  I've seen this on a smaller scale in Chicago 2002 at the Allstate Arena.  I saw more police offers hanging around the arena than I had seen for any other event I had ever been to there.  The reason why?  They expected the Guns fans to act up and for Axl to incite a riot.  If the same crew members didn't experience something like this for more family-friendly acts like Clay Aiken, then I don't blame management for being upset and deciding that they were walking into a set-up. 

These guys are thrilled to be out on the road.  I've ran into several of them while in Puerto Rico two weekends ago.  They are a tame group of rock guys who just want to get out there and rock a crowd.  I trust the announcemnt this time and hope they don't run into other instances of people like this fire marshal trying to judge this band based on incidents that happened years ago. 

[Dr. Blutarsky]

GNR is facing the same type of bias The Doors had to deal with after the "Miami Incident" back in 1969. Perhaps to a smaller degree than what Morrison had to contend with back in the day, but same idea.

[pumpkin]

axl needs to surround himself with better people, someone who can advise him well.  suck it up and play the show.  cut the pyro and don't smoke.  deal with it.  play at a loss for one show moneywise.  you might make it back from those fans in the future.  it was not reasonable for them to cancel this show and if the people around him are telling him it was, god bless the lot of them.  i'm convinced that axl surrounds himself with tards.  the guy has an unreasonable temper and borders on delusional- he needs someone who is a voice of reason.  obviously, he doesn't have one. 

[pumpkin]

how many people, possibly lost fans are now walking around telling everyone, "axl's an asshole"?  no one wants to hear about the asshole fire marshal.  no doubt the guy was a dick giving them a hard time but you can't just blow off a show coz someone pisses you off and gives you a hard time.  newsflash to axl, people at all jobs all around the world have people who give them a hard time and sometimes make their lives hell.  we don't just quit, we find a way to do our jobs anyway.  he shot himself in the foot on this one. 

[C0ma]

how many people, possibly lost fans are now walking around telling everyone, "axl's an asshole"??

If you mean the people who were actually affected (and not pissed because they weren't able to read an updated setlist at midnight) then there are 3000 people, 2800 of which don't leave the woods of Maine...

[EFISH]

how many people, possibly lost fans are now walking around telling everyone, "axl's an asshole"?  no one wants to hear about the asshole fire marshal.  no doubt the guy was a dick giving them a hard time but you can't just blow off a show coz someone pisses you off and gives you a hard time.  newsflash to axl, people at all jobs all around the world have people who give them a hard time and sometimes make their lives hell.  we don't just quit, we find a way to do our jobs anyway.  he shot himself in the foot on this one. 

Do you READ?

Beta said that it was management's call and they called Axl after they decided to cancel it. He was planning on playing the show....

[pumpkin]

yeah, and axl needs to surround himself with people who make better decisions.  and dude, don't be so naive as to think axl wasn't at least in on the decision.  it's his name and reputation on the line- you think he had no say in the matter.  and don't condescend to me.  i can read.  can you think is the question. 

[pumpkin]

and you obviously missed the gist of my point- which is:  no matter WHO made the decision or WHOSE fault it is, people are going to look at it and say, there goes axl with another cancelled show, what an asshole (they already say that) and i'm saying, axl should do everything in his power to play the shows that are booked.

[robbyr1]

well thought out post,  out ta get me

[EFISH]

You said...
"newsflash to Axl. people have jobs, blah blah"

Seems like you are saying it is AXL's fault? Well the whole point of this 3 page thread is about Beta's post where she explains that Axl had nothing to do with this.

[AylaRose28]

THANK YOU BETA!!!

And for all that is holy..ignore the majority of these posts in this thread...man....sometimes GnR fans are embarrassing.

We (fans) always bitch we want more information from the band...press releases, etc...we got one PLUS we have Beta explaining things to us and you're still bitchin'! For some of you, NOTHING will make you happy.

Btw...it might be a good idea to show some respect to Beta (in reponse to who said that Axl should surround himself with better people) Regardless if she is the actual poster or not (I'm sure she is), she's been there for Axl for many years, means a lot to him, is a mother figure and should be thanked and respected. Period.

AylaRose

[fixintodie]

Well, everyone's seen Axl and Merck's response to the Fire Marshall's crap now. Really great stuff.

Any of the mods want to lock this?

[Christos AG]

Well, everyone's seen Axl and Merck's response to the Fire Marshall's crap now. Really great stuff.

Any of the mods want to lock this?

Yes sir... I love to lock... and ban...