The difference I have noticed between America & European tour

[babydolls]

well then, Sandinista, dont hang around here, bringing everyone else down - its just not necessary.

Great comments Mike, with you all the way.

[norway]

In America, we have higher expectations for GNR.

No, you have not-
- and what has this to do with going to the gigs? maybe we aren't as dependant on comercial to go see shows?

hi mike

[Sandinista]

well then, Sandinista, dont hang around here, bringing everyone else down - its just not necessary.

There's nothing wrong with constructive negativity. Believe it or not, some people are actually disillusioned.

[russtcb]

well then, Sandinista, dont hang around here, bringing everyone else down - its just not necessary.

There's nothing wrong with constructive negativity. Believe it or not, some people are actually disillusioned.

There's no such thing as constructive negativity, constructive critizism maybe but not negativity. Here's the point that alot of us are trying to make:

If you're disappointed / dissillusioned / dismayed or anything of the sort with the band, I can understand. However there are a ton of us out there who are not. We'd like to be able to maintain a positive atmosphere without having to constantly read about how and why someone isn't a GNR fan anymore.

[Sandinista]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'd like to have some reasonable discourse without being asked to leave, but I don't give you a hard time for it. God dammit.

[russtcb]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'd like to have some reasonable discourse without being asked to leave, but I don't give you a hard time for it. God dammit.

Did you mean "reasonable discussion"? I don't believe you're giving anyone a "discourse". Also, I didn't ask you to leave I just mentioned that there are a whole lot of people who'd rather be positive than negative all the time.

[Sandinista]

Are you French or something? Discourse means discussion and I was referring to the person who asked me to leave when I mentioned being asked to leave.

[russtcb]

Are you French or something? Discourse means discussion and I was referring to the person who asked me to leave when I mentioned being asked to leave.

A "discourse" is defined in Websters as a "A formal, lengthy speech on a subject". A "discussion" is what we're having here.

[Sandinista]

Honestly, I have to ask: are you French? Seriously.

[russtcb]

Honestly, I have to ask: are you French? Seriously.

Ummm no. Why would someone who's French have a better grasp on the English language then you?

Anyways, if you feel the need to make pointless posts like this, please feel free to PM instead of spamming up everyone else's discussions.

[Sandinista]

hahahahaha

[Charity Case]

Face it. When the tour started how many people on this board had seen GNR?

10%?

Now we've all had a chance - hell, i saw them twice

The band were always described as a legendary live act - we've now seen the reality

Some have loved what they have seen....but most realise there is a massive gap between reality and expectation

Its no surprise the mood has changed. GNR are a poor live band - ?40 for less than 15 songs, 3+ hr delays and then no momentum to the gig due to endless breaks

Exactly.  Good post.  This is the real problem guys.

[russtcb]

Face it. When the tour started how many people on this board had seen GNR?

10%?

Now we've all had a chance - hell, i saw them twice

The band were always described as a legendary live act - we've now seen the reality

Some have loved what they have seen....but most realise there is a massive gap between reality and expectation

Its no surprise the mood has changed. GNR are a poor live band - ?40 for less than 15 songs, 3+ hr delays and then no momentum to the gig due to endless breaks

Exactly.? Good post.? This is the real problem guys.

I can't help but have a COMPLETELY different opinion from both of you. I've seen the new band three times now in the US and they just blow me away everytime. More so then my experience with the original group.

[NicoRourke]

The European tour was a great success.

Everything is relative. In the 90's, GN'R played in the stadiums when touring in Europe. This would be impossible now.

So ? What matters is the fact that they are playing. They've played  for some pretty big crowds last summer.

[Rockout24/7]

Face it. When the tour started how many people on this board had seen GNR?

10%?

Now we've all had a chance - hell, i saw them twice

The band were always described as a legendary live act - we've now seen the reality

Some have loved what they have seen....but most realise there is a massive gap between reality and expectation

Its no surprise the mood has changed. GNR are a poor live band - ?40 for less than 15 songs, 3+ hr delays and then no momentum to the gig due to endless breaks

Exactly.? Good post.? This is the real problem guys.

Your kidding!!!

The first time I saw them was in 1992 and that was my first ever live gig.. I thought they were ok. After seeing many other live bands it became apparent to me that they were actually compartively poor at the time. Now this year Ive been to 2 GnR shows and they are the best live band Ive ever seen & trust me Ive seen a good few!

[Eppe]

Face it. When the tour started how many people on this board had seen GNR?

10%?

Now we've all had a chance - hell, i saw them twice

The band were always described as a legendary live act - we've now seen the reality

Some have loved what they have seen....but most realise there is a massive gap between reality and expectation

Its no surprise the mood has changed. GNR are a poor live band - ?40 for less than 15 songs, 3+ hr delays and then no momentum to the gig due to endless breaks

Exactly.? Good post.? This is the real problem guys.

Your kidding!!!

The first time I saw them was in 1992 and that was my first ever live gig.. I thought they were ok. After seeing many other live bands it became apparent to me that they were actually compartively poor at the time. Now this year Ive been to 2 GnR shows and they are the best live band Ive ever seen & trust me Ive seen a good few!

Same here. I saw GN'R in 1991 and they were good. But they were much better when I saw them again this summer. This summer was the best two concerts I've seen in my life and I've seen Iron Maiden, Metallica etc. and am a fan of those bands also.

[33]

The band were always described as a legendary live act - we've now seen the reality

Some have loved what they have seen....but most realise there is a massive gap between reality and expectation

Its no surprise the mood has changed. GNR are a poor live band - ?40 for less than 15 songs, 3+ hr delays and then no momentum to the gig due to endless breaks

Now I tend to appreciate people opinions in general, but here you are just plain and simply wrong! GNR are a poor live band! What are you talking about! How can you judge when you say you have seen them play 4 times? Well mate I have seen them 22 or 23 times and trust me you are very wrong! Mike

[CheapJon]

another difference is that americans apparently don't know how to record shows

[33]

Great comments Mike, with you all the way.

Thankyou very much babydolls! Its just so frustrating reading some of the crap that gets put on here by people who think they know what they are talking about!

The one thing that I put in my post that I wish people would do, but they dont seem able to is: 'keep the faith'. If I can do it, and so can countless others who have been fans since the beginning why cant people who have only been fans for a few years? These people dont know the meaning of the word waiting! Mike

[JimMorrison4]

It just seems like Europeans are content with the status quo. Remember, they're the descendents of people who didn't think it was worth the risk to start a new society in America. They were cool with just staying where they were. 

With GNR, Europeans are happy with things the way they are. Americans want something new.