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Re: Ten years ago 10-31-96
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If GNR Adapted to the bullshit puss rock of the 80s we would never had appetite fior destruction.
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? ?How could've they adapted to something......from nothing.
You can't adapt to something BEFORE you release a cd. That makes no sense. They either started as "puss rock" or they didn't.? And since they didn't,they chose to continue on from THAT point. Goodnight.
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Quote from: MATT A REAL FAN on October 30, 2006, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: MaoAxl on October 30, 2006, 08:17:38 PM
As much as we may have all wanted him in- he may very well be dead right now if he stayed- that's apparently how depressed and disconnected he felt about the state of GN'R at that time. Glad he's found VR, and still remains a rock icon to this day. Great to see Axl on good streak these days as well.
Yeah,I wouldn't make that "rock icon" statement just yet......I mean,you're not THAT cool if your doing a fuckin' Volkswagon commercial.
It's one thing to have your music played in a commercial and it's an ENTIRE different animal to actually APPEAR in one. Slash doesn't need the fuckin' money. It only makes him look sad.
People not in the "know" about him and the new version of GN'R will say "Wow,that guy from Guns N' Roses has really fallen,huh? Reduced to making commercials." I was embarrassed FOR him when I saw it and he doesn't even know me!
And Velvet Revolver's "Contraband" was cool for like 5 minutes. I bought it the first day,solely on the tracks "Slither" and "Set Me Free",which are still good but,they didn't make any history or move mountains with it and I barely even play it any more.
Axl wants to experiment and try new things (we knew this back from "My World"-which was AHEAD of it's time and I HATED it back then and now think it's fuckin' cool-Axl knew it then) and Slash needs to take off the fuckin' blinders and realize that it's not 1990. He's still an amazing guitar player but,he's mindset is stuck in one gear,I believe.
ADAPT OR DIE. That is how life is. In all areas and situations.
I mean,how many of you still play tapes man?!? What loser is holding on to their 8 tracks??? Have many of you listened to the "new" songs from Motley Crue or Aerosmith? How about AC/DC?
Can you tell the difference from their earlier songs and now? Have they grown as a band or have they tried to hold on to an era that has passed them by?!?
THEY SUCK,is the answer.
Axl knows this fact of life and he refuses to watch this band become a musical joke. Granted,he's been written off as a joke for not releasing CD yet,et.al.,but,as of this post his integrity and legacy are currently intact as spectacular due to his past work and will have another chapter written when Chinese Democracy released.
He doesn't want to have people say/write "Yeah,it's the same GN'R....no real leap forward here....just a rehash"...etc.
You get the point.
Axl is right and Slash is doing a fuckin' Volkswagon commercial.
MATT
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when he hears Chinese Democracy and realize that he should have showed up at Axl's door at 5 A.M. a whoooole lot sooner!!!
Dude- I've supported Axl over Slash all these years too- but Slash IS an icon. One cheese dick commercial won't erase his years of killer riffs... and his "all around" cool rock star image. Most people I've talked to were actually psyched to see him on TV. Until CD is released and it rocks... Thal, Finck and Fortus are pimples on the ass of rock history in comparison to Slash... and I LOVE the new band.
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Quote from: MATT A REAL FAN on October 30, 2006, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: MaoAxl on October 30, 2006, 08:17:38 PM
As much as we may have all wanted him in- he may very well be dead right now if he stayed- that's apparently how depressed and disconnected he felt about the state of GN'R at that time. Glad he's found VR, and still remains a rock icon to this day. Great to see Axl on good streak these days as well.
Yeah,I wouldn't make that "rock icon" statement just yet......I mean,you're not THAT cool if your doing a fuckin' Volkswagon commercial.
It's one thing to have your music played in a commercial and it's an ENTIRE different animal to actually APPEAR in one. Slash doesn't need the fuckin' money. It only makes him look sad.
People not in the "know" about him and the new version of GN'R will say "Wow,that guy from Guns N' Roses has really fallen,huh? Reduced to making commercials." I was embarrassed FOR him when I saw it and he doesn't even know me!
And Velvet Revolver's "Contraband" was cool for like 5 minutes. I bought it the first day,solely on the tracks "Slither" and "Set Me Free",which are still good but,they didn't make any history or move mountains with it and I barely even play it any more.
Axl wants to experiment and try new things (we knew this back from "My World"-which was AHEAD of it's time and I HATED it back then and now think it's fuckin' cool-Axl knew it then) and Slash needs to take off the fuckin' blinders and realize that it's not 1990. He's still an amazing guitar player but,he's mindset is stuck in one gear,I believe.
ADAPT OR DIE. That is how life is. In all areas and situations.
I mean,how many of you still play tapes man?!? What loser is holding on to their 8 tracks??? Have many of you listened to the "new" songs from Motley Crue or Aerosmith? How about AC/DC?
Can you tell the difference from their earlier songs and now? Have they grown as a band or have they tried to hold on to an era that has passed them by?!?
THEY SUCK,is the answer.
Axl knows this fact of life and he refuses to watch this band become a musical joke. Granted,he's been written off as a joke for not releasing CD yet,et.al.,but,as of this post his integrity and legacy are currently intact as spectacular due to his past work and will have another chapter written when Chinese Democracy released.
He doesn't want to have people say/write "Yeah,it's the same GN'R....no real leap forward here....just a rehash"...etc.
You get the point.
Axl is right and Slash is doing a fuckin' Volkswagon commercial.
MATT
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when he hears Chinese Democracy and realize that he should have showed up at Axl's door at 5 A.M. a whoooole lot sooner!!!
Dude, things like this make me lol.
Contraband has sold 3 million copys. More than any new Motley Crue or Aerosmith (I believe).. not only that, but Velvet Revolver is working on a brand new album, with a great producer, and putting alot of time into it.
Slash is great and "Axl is god" fans like you make me.. haha, I dunno. It's funny.
"Slash is a sellout he did a commercial!"
"Contraband wasn't UYI2!"
"Chinese Democracy will make Slash cry and bow down to god Axl"
I like Axl too. But get a life!
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slash is really keeping up with axl lately, i'd put slash's commercial up against everything gnr are doing.... not
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who cares, it was 10 years ago that the search for ROBIN FINCK started, FUCK YEAH!!!
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Quote from: Jeramy on October 31, 2006, 12:36:12 AM
slash is really keeping up with axl lately, i'd put slash's commercial up against everything gnr are doing.... not
HAHAHA! DUDE! LOLZ YUR FUNNY!
Axl's cancelled 2002 tour, riots, no album for 13 years, revolving lineup and barely functional PR really compare to Slash's many recent tours, his 3x Platnium album, his functional website and band PR, and his 2nd album that is likely coming out early next year.
NOT!
LOLZ! PIZZONeD!1!!!
I like Axl more than I like Slash, but you guys are sad.
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The people who were "psyched" to see him do those ads are fuckin' pathetic too. ?If "One cheese dick commercial" doesn't kill it for ya,how many will it take??
How about 5? Maybe some print ads? How 'bout seeing Slash hawking some T-Mobile phones w/ Catherine Zeta-Jones?!? ?
CZJ - "Ya know Slash,with Unlimited Minutes,you could catch up with ALL of your old friends." (wink)
Slash - (smiling) "I know a few I'd like to reach out and touch."
CZJ - "Well,you can talk as LONG as you like....especially to California and wherever else your friends might be touring."
?Slash - "Thanks Catherine!"
Shit,I could direct this fuckin' commercial! And bro,I was embarrassed way back when Slash was doing that shit with Michael "I have busy hands" Jackson.
I remember screaming at the T.V. "YOU'RE IN GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WITH MICHAEL JACKSON?!?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOU LOOK??"
And now to hear that Pharrell is going to produce VR's next album. Duff says "It's gonna be funky." Scott? Weiland says "It's gonna be more danceable." Fuckin' please. It's fuckin' lame. PERIOD.
And,if Slash was SO happy with VR,he would ignore and dismiss every attempt in an interview and article to talk about a possible GN'R reunion and not show up at AXl's door practically begging to be let back into Guns.
To recap,Slash believes that:Scott is a "fraud",Duff is "spineless" and he "hates" Matt Sorum. Yeah! Sounds like Slash is doing just fine w/o Axl!! I can't wait for the Taco Bell commercials.
Fuck that,fuck Slash and fuck you. ?
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Quote from: MATT A REAL FAN on October 31, 2006, 12:56:17 AM
The people who were "psyched" to see him do those ads are fuckin' pathetic too. ?If "One cheese dick commercial" doesn't kill it for ya,how many will it take??
How about 5? Maybe some print ads? How 'bout seeing Slash hawking some T-Mobile phones w/ Catherine Zeta-Jones?!? ?
CZJ - "Ya know Slash,with Unlimited Minutes,you could catch up with ALL of your old friends." (wink)
Slash - (smiling) "I know a few I'd like to reach out and touch."
CZJ - "Well,you can talk as LONG as you like....especially to California and wherever else your friends might be touring."
?Slash - "Thanks Catherine!"
Shit,I could direct this fuckin' commercial! And bro,I was embarrassed way back when Slash was doing that shit with Michael "I have busy hands" Jackson.
And now to hear that Pharrell is going to produce VR's next album. Duff says "It's gonna be funky." Scott? Weiland says "It's gonna be more danceable." Fuckin' please. It's fuckin' lame. PERIOD.
And,if Slash was SO happy with VR,he would ignore and dismiss every attempt in an interview and article to talk about a possible GN'R reunion and not show up at AXl's door practically begging to be let back into Guns.
To recap,Slash believes that:Scott is a "fraud",Duff is "spineless" and he "hates" Matt Sorum. Yeah! Sounds like Slash is doing just fine w/o Axl!! I can't wait for the Taco Bell commercials.
Fuck that,fuck Slash and fuck you. ?
? ? ? ? ? ? MATT
Jeez, what a sad, sad post. If your name was correct and indeed you were a real fan then you'd appreciate Slash for the legend that he is and the qulaity work that he does. So what if hes in an advert, people recognise him and hes an icon. Slash sells, why should he not take advantage of it? At least hes not out biting people or whatever. So what if he worked with Michael Jackson? Richard Fortus has worked with fucking Nsync - what do you think of that?
'I remember screaming at the T.V. "YOU'RE IN GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WITH MICHAEL JACKSON?!?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOU LOOK??" '
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seems longer than 10 years to me....thats crazy
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I was thinking of posting the same thing, but the former Commander & Chief beat me to it.
The only part that still saddens me is the fact that some people are still moaning over the breakup. Slash has been gone from GNR for 10 years, and he's not coming back.
Whatever happened, went down between Axl and Slash 10 yeas ago. Does it matter
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Quote from: MATT A REAL FAN on October 31, 2006, 12:56:17 AM
The people who were "psyched" to see him do those ads are fuckin' pathetic too. ?If "One cheese dick commercial" doesn't kill it for ya,how many will it take??
How about 5? Maybe some print ads? How 'bout seeing Slash hawking some T-Mobile phones w/ Catherine Zeta-Jones?!? ?
CZJ - "Ya know Slash,with Unlimited Minutes,you could catch up with ALL of your old friends." (wink)
Slash - (smiling) "I know a few I'd like to reach out and touch."
CZJ - "Well,you can talk as LONG as you like....especially to California and wherever else your friends might be touring."
?Slash - "Thanks Catherine!"
Shit,I could direct this fuckin' commercial! And bro,I was embarrassed way back when Slash was doing that shit with Michael "I have busy hands" Jackson.
I remember screaming at the T.V. "YOU'RE IN GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WITH MICHAEL JACKSON?!?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOU LOOK??"
And now to hear that Pharrell is going to produce VR's next album. Duff says "It's gonna be funky." Scott? Weiland says "It's gonna be more danceable." Fuckin' please. It's fuckin' lame. PERIOD.
And,if Slash was SO happy with VR,he would ignore and dismiss every attempt in an interview and article to talk about a possible GN'R reunion and not show up at AXl's door practically begging to be let back into Guns.
To recap,Slash believes that:Scott is a "fraud",Duff is "spineless" and he "hates" Matt Sorum. Yeah! Sounds like Slash is doing just fine w/o Axl!! I can't wait for the Taco Bell commercials.
Fuck that,fuck Slash and fuck you. ?
? ? ? ? ? ? MATT
Stop emberassing yourself, it's pathetic. Wait until the Harley Davidson commercial with Better hits the screens. How cool is that, huh? It's the same cheesey crap.
Well, no Slash's commercial is less cheesey since he doesn't have a rock song under a vid with sheep in it. Slas just plays guitar in front of a car. Hey, I have an idea. We'll do a survey when both commercials are out and let's see which one the general public likes best?
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Quote from: MATT A REAL FAN on October 31, 2006, 12:56:17 AM
The people who were "psyched" to see him do those ads are fuckin' pathetic too. ?If "One cheese dick commercial" doesn't kill it for ya,how many will it take??
How about 5? Maybe some print ads? How 'bout seeing Slash hawking some T-Mobile phones w/ Catherine Zeta-Jones?!? ?
CZJ - "Ya know Slash,with Unlimited Minutes,you could catch up with ALL of your old friends." (wink)
Slash - (smiling) "I know a few I'd like to reach out and touch."
CZJ - "Well,you can talk as LONG as you like....especially to California and wherever else your friends might be touring."
?Slash - "Thanks Catherine!"
Shit,I could direct this fuckin' commercial! And bro,I was embarrassed way back when Slash was doing that shit with Michael "I have busy hands" Jackson.
I remember screaming at the T.V. "YOU'RE IN GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WITH MICHAEL JACKSON?!?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOU LOOK??"
And now to hear that Pharrell is going to produce VR's next album. Duff says "It's gonna be funky." Scott? Weiland says "It's gonna be more danceable." Fuckin' please. It's fuckin' lame. PERIOD.
And,if Slash was SO happy with VR,he would ignore and dismiss every attempt in an interview and article to talk about a possible GN'R reunion and not show up at AXl's door practically begging to be let back into Guns.
To recap,Slash believes that:Scott is a "fraud",Duff is "spineless" and he "hates" Matt Sorum. Yeah! Sounds like Slash is doing just fine w/o Axl!! I can't wait for the Taco Bell commercials.
Fuck that,fuck Slash and fuck you. ?
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Quote from: jk75 on October 30, 2006, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: EFISH on October 30, 2006, 06:52:24 PM
10 years ago, tomorrow........
Slash wasnt cool anymore.
Yeah and if Slash come back he will be cool again !!!
bahhh?
Izzy left GN'R and didn't loose his coolness tho...
Some people got no respect at all for the former Guns... is amazing, GNR was big because of all of them, they are big and they will always be ! Axl didn't do all the past music by himself.
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Quote from: jk75 on October 31, 2006, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: The Legend on October 30, 2006, 10:13:49 PM
Quote from: jk75 on October 30, 2006, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: EFISH on October 30, 2006, 06:52:24 PM
10 years ago, tomorrow........
Slash wasnt cool anymore.
Yeah and if Slash come back he will be cool again !!!
bahhh?
Izzy left GN'R and didn't loose his coolness tho...
Some people got no respect at all for the former Guns... is amazing, GNR was big because of all of them, they are big and they will always be ! Axl didn't do all the past music by himself.
I support that, these guys forget why they even like Guns N roses nowadays....
If Slash and Izzy hadn't written so much great stuff were would Axl be, in some LA fucking remembrance band??? doing booze and drugs with someone that looked like Steven ADler??? Please people, these guys might be another phase of GN'R that's all I can grant you... If the name is famous is because those old guys worked their asses off....? Get the point
Seems nowadays it's easier to get in a band that has a big name already than to rise with a new one....? right?
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Quote from: jk75 on October 31, 2006, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: The Legend on October 30, 2006, 10:13:49 PM
Quote from: jk75 on October 30, 2006, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: EFISH on October 30, 2006, 06:52:24 PM
10 years ago, tomorrow........
Slash wasnt cool anymore.
Yeah and if Slash come back he will be cool again !!!
bahhh?
Izzy left GN'R and didn't loose his coolness tho...
Some people got no respect at all for the former Guns... is amazing, GNR was big because of all of them, they are big and they will always be ! Axl didn't do all the past music by himself.
Okay, i'm sorry. Gilby & Teddy Zig Zag were also cool...
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If GNR Adapted to the bullshit puss rock of the 80s we would never had appetite fior destruction.
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? ?How could've they adapted to something......from nothing.
You can't adapt to something BEFORE you release a cd. That makes no sense. They either started as "puss rock" or they didn't.? And since they didn't,they chose to continue on from THAT point. Goodnight.
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no dude you said "ADAPT OR DIE - Thats how life is in all situations" and GNR went against the grain and neither adapted NOR died... so i win.? PAYCE WE OUTTA HERE!
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That was a really sad, sad day. The worst in GN'R's history.
And the other sad thing is that some people act like stalinist, they're full of hatred against the guys who made Guns N' Roses with Axl. They wanna fulfill some needs they think that exist. How fuckin' pathetic. The decision to move this thread to the Dead Horse section was another sad move. Some people here don't really know what Guns N' Roses is, what it was. They call themselves 'real fans'. Keep on denying the truth.
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also, i've realized i don't have a problem with slash doing a commerical.
after one of my favorite artists (ryan adams) did a gap commercials people were pissed as hell and his only response was "who the HELL says no to 30 grand an hour!?!"
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thats crazy, i cant believe its been 10 years, time flies
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Quote from: Locomotive98 on October 31, 2006, 01:35:21 AM
Quote from: MATT A REAL FAN on October 31, 2006, 12:56:17 AM
The people who were "psyched" to see him do those ads are fuckin' pathetic too. ?If "One cheese dick commercial" doesn't kill it for ya,how many will it take??
How about 5? Maybe some print ads? How 'bout seeing Slash hawking some T-Mobile phones w/ Catherine Zeta-Jones?!? ?
CZJ - "Ya know Slash,with Unlimited Minutes,you could catch up with ALL of your old friends." (wink)
Slash - (smiling) "I know a few I'd like to reach out and touch."
CZJ - "Well,you can talk as LONG as you like....especially to California and wherever else your friends might be touring."
?Slash - "Thanks Catherine!"
Shit,I could direct this fuckin' commercial! And bro,I was embarrassed way back when Slash was doing that shit with Michael "I have busy hands" Jackson.
And now to hear that Pharrell is going to produce VR's next album. Duff says "It's gonna be funky." Scott? Weiland says "It's gonna be more danceable." Fuckin' please. It's fuckin' lame. PERIOD.
And,if Slash was SO happy with VR,he would ignore and dismiss every attempt in an interview and article to talk about a possible GN'R reunion and not show up at AXl's door practically begging to be let back into Guns.
To recap,Slash believes that:Scott is a "fraud",Duff is "spineless" and he "hates" Matt Sorum. Yeah! Sounds like Slash is doing just fine w/o Axl!! I can't wait for the Taco Bell commercials.
Fuck that,fuck Slash and fuck you. ?
? ? ? ? ? ? MATT
Jeez, what a sad, sad post. If your name was correct and indeed you were a real fan then you'd appreciate Slash for the legend that he is and the qulaity work that he does. So what if hes in an advert, people recognise him and hes an icon. Slash sells, why should he not take advantage of it? At least hes not out biting people or whatever. So what if he worked with Michael Jackson? Richard Fortus has worked with fucking Nsync - what do you think of that?
'I remember screaming at the T.V. "YOU'RE IN GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WITH MICHAEL JACKSON?!?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOU LOOK??" '
You need to get out more.
You dumb fuckin' bastard. I DO appreciate the quality of his previous work but, his current fuckin' "work" is playing guitar trying to sell Volkswagon cars. You call that being cool?!? You dumb shit.
And if YOU were a "real fan" also,you'd've been ashamed when he played w/ Michael Jackson too. Fuckin' Axl even said so after that shit too. Why would you lower yourself? That's what I feel when I see those fuckin' Volkswagon ads.
I would think you'd be pissed off,as I would,if we saw Axl do some dumb ass commercial. That won't happen. They could barely get the guy to be a presenter at the VMA's,probably 'cause he was worried he'd look DUMB. Just like Slash is RIGHT NOW. Doesn't matter what he's done. It'as about NOW. It tarnishes you image and all that you've worked for if you LOWER yourself. Would you be comfortable seeing Slash do an Infomercial?
And to repeat myself,it's one thing to have your music played in a commercial,ala "PC" or "Better" for Harley Davidson and it is an ENTIRE DIFFERENT SCENARIO? to stand there and ith your guitar plugged in and wearing your top hat and sell your fuckin' soul for some easy fuckin' cash. Slash wil be in GN'R if Axl LETS him. Get the fuck over it. Slash walked away and now he fuckin' regrets it. He should get over it as well.
And Fortus never played with N'Sync on stage,stupid ass.
? ? ? ? ? ? MATT
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