Regarding all the rumors of "Better" being the single

[masterdan]

Joe Dirt??? Umm ok..you mean old?? I'm 38.? ?I guess I'm Joe Dirt.? ? ?

No. ?He means, 1978 Camaro driving, fat girlfriend, redneck fans from the 80's...

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Its without a doubt abhor
http://download.yousendit.com/FFBBDDF848D85699

Now who think its avoid now?

I still hear 'avoid', even on the demo and the Donnington Monitor mix.?

Plus it also makes more sense.

How can you hear avoid? And said avoid once live and abhor every other time.

[scar2d2w]

Joe Dirt??  Umm ok..you mean old?  I'm 38.   I guess I'm Joe Dirt.     

i think joe dirts aren't necessarily old, just stuck in a certain notion of what gnr should sound like.  i think these fans are more likely to sport a mullet and stonewashed jeans but i've seen some 13-year-olds wearing that shit. 

[killingvector]

Its without a doubt abhor
http://download.yousendit.com/FFBBDDF848D85699

Now who think its avoid now?

I still hear 'avoid', even on the demo and the Donnington Monitor mix. 

Plus it also makes more sense.

How can you hear avoid? And said avoid once live and abhor every other time.

Even in that slowed down clip, I clearly hear 'avoid.' No doubt in my mind really but I think it depends on what you are listening for.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Its without a doubt abhor
http://download.yousendit.com/FFBBDDF848D85699

Now who think its avoid now?

I still hear 'avoid', even on the demo and the Donnington Monitor mix.?

Plus it also makes more sense.

How can you hear avoid? And said avoid once live and abhor every other time.

Even in that slowed down clip, I clearly hear 'avoid.' No doubt in my mind really but I think it depends on what you are listening for.

I agree i used to always heard avoid until someone said it was abhor then I started hearing that.
Btw did you like the remix

[killingvector]

Its without a doubt abhor
http://download.yousendit.com/FFBBDDF848D85699

Now who think its avoid now?

I still hear 'avoid', even on the demo and the Donnington Monitor mix. 

Plus it also makes more sense.

How can you hear avoid? And said avoid once live and abhor every other time.

Even in that slowed down clip, I clearly hear 'avoid.' No doubt in my mind really but I think it depends on what you are listening for.

I agree i used to always heard avoid until someone said it was abhor then I started hearing that.
Btw did you like the remix

I did like the remix. Thanks for that. Can't wait for the studio version this week.........*knock on wood.

[gilee7]

I've loved 'Better' since the first time I heard it, and I've always hoped that it would be the first single. I felt that it should be the first single; of the leaked tracks, 'Better' is the catchiest and hardest rocking, and it has great lyrics, too. Whereas I love all the new leaks, a song like 'TWAT' for instance, which I'm now in love with, took me several listens to fully appreciate. 'Better,' on the the hand, was immediately enjoyable; I couldn't get it out of my head for weeks; I'd walk around singing "No one ever told me when I was alone, they just thought I'd know better, better," or I'd be singing the chorus. I don't understand the bitching about the intro, because I love the intro. I think it's so cool; and Finck's guitar playing at the very beginning could very easily go on to be as recognizable as 'Sweet Child O' Mine' or 'Paradise City.' Okay, that's probably not likely, but I do think it's just as recognizable once you've listened to the song a few times. The whole song is very unique; it's unlike anything I've heard before. I think I've probably watched the Rock Am Ring performance of 'Better' like 100 times. I get chills each time I hear Axl scream "I NEVER WANTED YOU TO BE SO FULL OF ANGER!"

I'm also glad that the first single is one of the leaked tracks, because like someone else said, I want the rest of the CD to be a mystery when I get it.

And, I never thought about this until now, but maybe this is also a statement from Axl to the world, saying that this GNR is 'better' than the old GNR.

[grog mug]

"Better" is the BEST of the new songs, along with Madagascar.  This will be the PERFECT single.  I've played it to SEVERAL people and they all love it.  Just can't wait for the public response.

[Steel_Angel]

all the people ive played it to love it, no lie. some are reagetton fans.

[grog mug]

I believe a songs greatness is based on the vocal melody over guitars/instruments or whatever.  Axl's melody with Robin's guitar and hopefully Bucket's short shredding session is perfect for this song.  It has every element you need for a single.  Perfect pick.

[younggunner]

Better is an amazing track. Its a great choice for the single. Its got a lot of cool elements. And it all works. If the album has 2-3 other songs on par with Better combined with what we have already hear, CD will be better than the Illusions by a lot and will blow anything out there away....

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Better is an amazing track. Its a great choice for the single. Its got a lot of cool elements. And it all works. If the album has 2-3 other songs on par with Better combined with what we have already hear, CD will be better than the Illusions by a lot and will blow anything out there away....

CD is already better than AFD.


Chin Dem > out to get me
Better > rocketqueen
IRS > anything goes
Blues > think about you
Madagascar > You're crazy
Catcher in the rye > my michelle
TWAT > night train


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[younggunner]

dave how can you say its better than AFD when you havnt even heard the album yet? AFD is a timeless album that very few can top. I seriously doubt that CD will be able to capture the RAW ENERGY of AFD.

CD can be an all time classic? but lets not put it on that list yet....

AFD and CD are 2 different types of albums. You cant compare each others songs head to head like that.

Thus far CD had produced 1 anthem type song whereas AFD produced 2{WTTJ and PC}

The other you cant compare because they are more Illusion type songs than AFD type

[dave-gnfnr2k]

dave how can you say its better than AFD when you havnt even heard the album yet? AFD is a timeless album that very few can top. I seriously doubt that CD will be able to capture the RAW ENERGY of AFD.

CD can be an all time classic? but lets not put it on that list yet....

AFD and CD are 2 different types of albums. You cant compare each others songs head to head like that.

Thus far CD had produced 1 anthem type song whereas AFD produced 2{WTTJ and PC}

The other you cant compare because they are more Illusion type songs than AFD type

So you disagree with the CD songs I think are better than the AFD songs?
I disagree.
Will a song on CD be bigger than SCOM, WTTJ or PC probably not but that doesnt mean on the whole CD isnt gonna be better

Anyways getting back on top.
I would take Better over most of the songs on AFD with the exception of the three I just named.

[younggunner]

No, I agree some CD songs are better than AFD songs. The point is that as an albuma s a whole, AFD is on an elite level. The album as a whole made it that way.

Cd can go down as one of the greatest albums of all time, and I think it iwll, but to say its better than AFD right now is insane.

you cant compare TWAT to TAB, or Madagascar to Anything goes..etc...thats nuts. They are 2 completely different kinds of albums.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

No, I agree some CD songs are better than AFD songs. The point is that as an albuma s a whole, AFD is on an elite level. The album as a whole made it that way.

Cd can go down as one of the greatest albums of all time, and I think it iwll, but to say its better than AFD right now is insane.

you cant compare TWAT to TAB, or Madagascar to Anything goes..etc...thats nuts. They are 2 completely different kinds of albums.

The UYI combined are better than AFD, I dont see your point.
Better is also better than a lotof the songs on the UYIs.
Better is probably in the top 20 gnr tracks ever.
Better could be a big hit.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Is there a reason that a single hasn't been released yet?  Merck has already said more than once to the press that the album is coming out this year.  I understand they don't want the public to hear any more unreleased songs but they could easily release Better or IRS as a viable single at this point as these songs have both been available to the public for months.  Release single and put it up on iTunes, I don't see what harm releasing IRS or Better at this point would do even without a video

[bigbri]

^^I  hear ya. A single needs to drop ASAP. The shows are not selling out, and new material might help that.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Is there a reason that a single hasn't been released yet?? Merck has already said more than once to the press that the album is coming out this year.? I understand they don't want the public to hear any more unreleased songs but they could easily release Better or IRS as a viable single at this point as these songs have both been available to the public for months.? Release single and put it up on iTunes, I don't see what harm releasing IRS or Better at this point would do even without a video

I think the single is gonna be release when that Harely ad drops. And that ad is gonna drop late Oct which is now. So I think we will get an offical single anytime now

[ShotgunBlues1978]

^^I  hear ya. A single needs to drop ASAP. The shows are not selling out, and new material might help that.

Yeah they are touring in support of the album if the public actually heard a new, official Guns N Roses single on the radio nationwide and not just the few stations here and there it would be a big help when it comes to selling tickets