Regarding all the rumors of "Better" being the single

[HamsterDemocracy]

Nope. No relation

Aww shucks.

You suck then. 

  Jus' playin'! I didn't think you were him because his avatar and posting style is different.

[nesquick]

But WTTJ, YCBM, Don't Cry, PC, SCOM, and others jumped at you in the 1st listen. These songs take 3 up to 15 listens to like (Better took me 15 listens). THat is unacceptable for a first single, the first song you draw people into. If the DJ's don't like that 1st hook & the melody in the first listen & the listeners don't like it enough

VERY TRUE

The big problem with some newgnr tunes (especially "better") is that some great musical parts are mixed with some incredible shitty ones. As a result, you get mixed feelings. There are some great moments in "better", but some others are absolutely catastrophy, really (that intro is...dear lord...even worst than My World, really!).? The big problem is that song is very irregular. There is no logic along the song.? The parts have no link between them. There is no coherent structure. It's like a puzzle, do you see what I mean? it goes through 1000 directions.
On the contrary, the intros of jungle, sweet child, you could be mine etc... were mind blowing. First note, wowowowowww, earth shattering. The magic invaded you from the 1st note to the last one. Thoses songs were built not as a puzzle, but as an empire, and that's why GN'R 87-93 stormed the world. You couldn't resist. It was too good.

I tell you, the intro will turn a lot of people off. I forced myself to listen to the rest of the song when I first heard that intro when the song was leaked. and I'm a fan. I prefer to be honnest. I don't like to lie. I like to call a cat, a cat. I'm a fan and I forced myself to listen a dozen times "better" before starting to like it. It says it all... sorry.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

But WTTJ, YCBM, Don't Cry, PC, SCOM, and others jumped at you in the 1st listen. These songs take 3 up to 15 listens to like (Better took me 15 listens). THat is unacceptable for a first single, the first song you draw people into. If the DJ's don't like that 1st hook & the melody in the first listen & the listeners don't like it enough

VERY TRUE

The big problem with some newgnr tunes (especially "better") is that some great musical parts are mixed with some incredible shitty ones. As a result, you get mixed feelings. There are some great moments in "better", but some others are absolutely catastrophy, really (that intro is...dear lord...even worst that My World, really!).? The big problem of tis song is that it's very irregular. Like there is no logic.? The parts have no link between them.
On the contrary, the intros of jungle, sweet child, you could be mine etc... were mind blowing. First note, wowowowowww, earth shattering. The magic invaded you from the 1st note to the last one.

The intro to better is PERFECT it grabs your attention because? you are like WTF is then, then it goes into axls great lyrics. I think the song is killer and its like nothing else out there. It mixes pop, industrial, and metal/rock all into one. Its an amazing song. Listen to the song on JUST THE LEFT speaker if you dont like the intro.

[charlesfosterkane]

just because the intro isn't some hard rock guitar thing doesn't mean it isn't good. i think the entire song, top to bottom, is inspired. but then again my interests are probably different from those who don't like the intro and the middle. my other favorite tunes of the year are cheated hearts, broken boy soldiers, crazy... stuff like that.

[nesquick]

I love the middle part. but the intro has nothing to do with beeing hard-rock or not hard-rock. That's not the point. Either it sounds good, or it doesn't. That's as simple as that. It could be hard-rock, blues, jazz, Rn'B, techno, or Bossa Nova, whatever, it doesn't matter. It's called the first impression, and it's very important. I listen to everything, from Ennio Morricone to Britney Spears and my favourite music is Funk/Disco Music (along with Classic Rock music of course). I'm absolutely not strictly hard-rock.

[madagas]

I love the intro but HATE Axl's screaming in the middle-I cringe when I hear it. I could live with the middle if you took his screaming out-just instrumental. People have different tastes about what sounds good Nessy-will you ever learn that?    The fact that you listen to Britney Spears just answered my question......

[roadapples]

(I tried to post this already?)

Anyway, can someone paste the Better lyrics here?  I am having a hard time finding the thread!  I am looking for the lyrics that come after "inspiraration"...

Thanks

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Better


No one ever told me when I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better

No one ever told me when I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better

The hardest part
This troubled heart
Has never yet been through now   
We've healed the scars
That got their start
Inside someone like you now

Well had I known
Or I'd been shown back when I longed you?d take me
To break the charms
That brought me harm
And all that won't erase me

I never would
Not that I could
No matter what you'd pay me
Replay the part
You stole my heart
I should have known you're crazy

If all I knew was that with you
I'd want someone to save me
It'd be enough
But just my luck
I fell in love and baby all that I wanted was

Now I know you better
You know I'd know better
Now I, know you better



So bittersweet
This tragedy
Won't ask for absolution
This melody
Inside of me
Still searches for solution
A twist of fate
A change of heart
Cures my infatuation
A broken heart
Provides the spark for my determination

No one ever told me when I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better ohh
No one ever told me when I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better

All that I wanted was

I know you know you know better
You know I know you know better
Yeah you know me better

(Solo)

I never wanted you to be so full of anger
I never wanted you to be somebody else
I never wanted you to be someone afraid to know themselves
I only wanted you to see things for yourself

(Solo)

All that I wanted was

Now I know you better
Now we all know better
All that I wanted was

(Solo)



If I were you
I?d manage to
Abhor the invitation
Of promised love
That can?t keep up
With your adoration
Just use your head
And in the end
You?ll find your inspiration
To choose your steps
That won't regret
This kind of aggravation

No one ever told me when I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better
No one ever told me when I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better

[GeraldFord]

But WTTJ, YCBM, Don't Cry, PC, SCOM, and others jumped at you in the 1st listen. These songs take 3 up to 15 listens to like (Better took me 15 listens). THat is unacceptable for a first single, the first song you draw people into. If the DJ's don't like that 1st hook & the melody in the first listen & the listeners don't like it enough

VERY TRUE

The big problem with some newgnr tunes (especially "better") is that some great musical parts are mixed with some incredible shitty ones. As a result, you get mixed feelings. There are some great moments in "better", but some others are absolutely catastrophy, really (that intro is...dear lord...even worst than My World, really!).? The big problem is that song is very irregular. There is no logic along the song.? The parts have no link between them. There is no coherent structure. It's like a puzzle, do you see what I mean? it goes through 1000 directions.
On the contrary, the intros of jungle, sweet child, you could be mine etc... were mind blowing. First note, wowowowowww, earth shattering. The magic invaded you from the 1st note to the last one. Thoses songs were built not as a puzzle, but as an empire, and that's why GN'R 87-93 stormed the world. You couldn't resist. It was too good.

I tell you, the intro will turn a lot of people off. I forced myself to listen to the rest of the song when I first heard that intro when the song was leaked. and I'm a fan. I prefer to be honnest. I don't like to lie. I like to call a cat, a cat. I'm a fan and I forced myself to listen a dozen times "better" before starting to like it. It says it all... sorry.

I could not disagree more. Loved that song right off the bat. Did it really take you "15 listens" to "get into" "better"? Than I guess it would take you 50 listens to get into "Dark Side of the Moon" and a thosand listens to get into a German opera.

[nesquick]

The lyrics are important just for the English native language people. Believe me, those who speak foreign languages don't mind the lyrics because most of the time we don't have the time to understand them, we just listen to the melody. So does "better" have great lyrics? yes. Does it matter for me? No. When you listen to a song that isn't in your native language, you just care about the melody. I heard many people saying that IRS has shitty lyrics. But guess what? i don't mind, the melody is awesome to me and I prefer IRS? (or another new song) over Better, even if I know the lyrics are far better in "better".

[GeraldFord]

I would like to add that although "Better" takes a lot of twists and turns, everything works and is coherent. Just because it doesn't follow a verse-chorus-verse doesn't mean it lacks structure. Ever listened to "1983" off of the "Electric Ladyland" album? That song is a fuckin' trip, all over the place, as is "Light my Fire" by the Doors. In all three songs, you, the listener, go though twists and turns, but it all works.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

"If I were you, I bet it's true, abort the invitaiton" ??

no
its Abhor without a doubt

[killingvector]

Abhor the invitation

I hear 'Avoid the invitation'

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Its without a doubt abhor
http://download.yousendit.com/FFBBDDF848D85699

Now who think its avoid now?

[HamsterDemocracy]

Its without a doubt abhor
http://download.yousendit.com/FFBBDDF848D85699

Dude, check your PMs! 

[Mattattack]

"Better" is a killer tune but i'm surprised that it's going to be the first single. I knew the Electronica/NIN style intro would piss off the old mullett loving "Joe Dirt" fans that are left over from the 80's. I love electronica and NIN, and I'm glad that Axl is trying to push the envelope. I would be so choked if Axl was doing retro rock like Wolfmother, Raconteurs, The Killers, and countless other boring bands. After saying all this though, I think Axl should have gone with a more old school rock song to kick things off, and get the "Joe Dirts" of the world to buy the album.

[guns_n_motley]

"Better" is a killer tune but i'm surprised that it's going to be the first single. I knew the Electronica/NIN style intro would piss off the old mullett loving "Joe Dirt" fans that are left over from the 80's. I love electronica and NIN, and I'm glad that Axl is trying to push the envelope. I would be so choked if Axl was doing retro rock like Wolfmother, Raconteurs, The Killers, and countless other boring bands. After saying all this though, I think Axl should have gone with a more old school rock song to kick things off, and get the "Joe Dirts" of the world to buy the album.

yes, the fans who made gnr where they were

[badintentions]

I thought the song was awesome the first time I heard it. It has also been the only song that I have heard that I instantly said "if they release that as their single, it would be huge". Love the intro, love the arrangement, great song.

'Better' will reach a large audience and will appeal to a lot of different people. The Mullets will hate it though, especially the intro, but i'm pretty sure that is not the audience they are going for these days.

[GNRSANDMAN]

Joe Dirt??  Umm ok..you mean old?  I'm 38.   I guess I'm Joe Dirt.     

[killingvector]

Its without a doubt abhor
http://download.yousendit.com/FFBBDDF848D85699

Now who think its avoid now?

I still hear 'avoid', even on the demo and the Donnington Monitor mix. 

Plus it also makes more sense.