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« on: October 22, 2006, 03:00:28 AM »

Serious question. As we all know Axl lost his voice drastically in 2001/2002 (and, as many would argue, it has improved significantly but is still nowhere near as powerful as it once was).

My question is - why didn't Steven Tyler have the same thing happen? He sings similar to Axl in terms of the high pitched raspy-ness, and one thinks his voice would be really torn up.

I know he had surgery on his throat for some type of issue (wasn't it cancer?) but he still sounds exactly the same as he did back in the '70s. Listen to "A Little South of Sanity" and Back in the Saddle sounds just like the studio version.

I'm not making this as a bash towards Axl; I just always wonder, how come he sounded so bad in '02 and Steven Tyler never lost his voice?

They both boozed, did drugs, smoked, and partied hard.
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 06:48:19 AM »

cause steve tylers just a god of singing.

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however saying steven sounded like he did in the 70s is untrue, his voice was much clearer. then in the 80s when they came back it was a bit rougher sounding, i actually preffer it with the roughness to it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 04:30:57 PM »

He like exploded his throat on the last tour

something like that, all i know is he needed surgery for it and they cancelled the show I was going to rant


But, they are coming back with motley cure, so its all good peace ok
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 05:46:24 PM »

Some years ago when I heard Dream On I had no idea who's song it was (I knew but couldn't remember).

That's one song that shows how Steven's voice has changed
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 05:48:36 PM »

Well, apparently Axl went for many years without singing... (the countless rumours of Axl having writers block... hence every time one of the members is asked what needs doing, they said "the vocals").  So when you go years without practising, and then suddenly go out on a stage again, the chances are greater of you blowing your throat.
Steven has never had such an extended break from the stage.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2006, 07:11:21 PM »

Some years ago when I heard Dream On I had no idea who's song it was (I knew but couldn't remember).

That's one song that shows how Steven's voice has changed

The live version of Dream On from the Young Lust CD has Steven singing the same way he did on the original recording for parts of it.  I think he deliberatly changed his style at some point, but he's still capable of it all.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2006, 10:01:08 PM »

It's mostly because he sounded terrible in the first place. Lemmy hasn't lost any of his voice, either. Wink
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2006, 11:28:01 PM »

It's mostly because he sounded terrible in the first place. Lemmy hasn't lost any of his voice, either. Wink
To set the record strait Steven has a great voice.  This posters opinion is nil for the simple fact he likes death metal!
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2006, 11:43:11 PM »

I agree - I like Steven Tyler's voice a lot too.   ok

Regarding old Steven vs. new Steven, I think that the new Steven can still sing pretty close to the "cleaner" sound when he wants to.  If you listen to some of his live recordings, he sometimes breaks out the "old Steven" voice on some of the older tunes (such as Mama Kin).  After seeing him in concert several times, I definitely think he makes a conscious effort to switch back and forth between voices.  Nevertheless, I prefer his more raspy voice now. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2006, 12:08:11 AM »

I agree - I like Steven Tyler's voice a lot too.   ok

Regarding old Steven vs. new Steven, I think that the new Steven can still sing pretty close to the "cleaner" sound when he wants to.  If you listen to some of his live recordings, he sometimes breaks out the "old Steven" voice on some of the older tunes (such as Mama Kin).  After seeing him in concert several times, I definitely think he makes a conscious effort to switch back and forth between voices.  Nevertheless, I prefer his more raspy voice now. 

Unfortunately Aerosmith have released a lot of shit (and a great deal of their '80s stadium rock stuff started to sound like bad Def Leppard), but they've had some amazing songs and in the '70s they were on par with early GN'R and Led Zeppelin. (Rocks and Toys in the Attic - but especially Rocks - are still classics.)

And there's no denying Steven has a great voice. He has just as much range as Axl - he can do low Morrison-like bluesy stuff (think "Big Ten Inch Record") and then suddenly squeal really high ("Back in the Saddle"). The difference is unlike Axl, Steven has been more active and therefore has released some pretty terrible stuff. But his voice is unique and Aerosmith - despite some bad albums - has released enough great stuff to be solidified as a classic rock band in my book.

And Joe Perry is up there with Slash.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2006, 12:12:54 AM »

Joe Perry is pretty cool.? He has great style.?

I also agree that Aerosmith has produced some pretty lame music, but they also have some classics as well (Toys in the Attic, Rocks - both good albums, as Russian Roulette said).? I still buy their new albums when they come out, even though I haven't been too happy with their recent efforts.? (Honkin' on Bobo was okay I guess).?

Anyhow, I think the people on this board have hit the nail on the head.? Steven's been singing non-stop for years, whereas Axl has had a lot of time off.? I think it's pretty understandable how Axl lost some of his power in 2002 - it's like not exercising for years.? ?


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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2006, 12:52:39 AM »

To set the record strait Steven has a great voice.  This posters opinion is nil for the simple fact he likes death metal!

To set the record straight, lots of death metal vocalists do clean singing as well. Ever heard of Opeth?  Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2006, 02:57:22 AM »

michael akerfedt (sp?) ?

yeah he has a good voice.

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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2006, 06:46:57 AM »

I agree - I like Steven Tyler's voice a lot too.   ok

Regarding old Steven vs. new Steven, I think that the new Steven can still sing pretty close to the "cleaner" sound when he wants to.  If you listen to some of his live recordings, he sometimes breaks out the "old Steven" voice on some of the older tunes (such as Mama Kin).  After seeing him in concert several times, I definitely think he makes a conscious effort to switch back and forth between voices.  Nevertheless, I prefer his more raspy voice now. 

Unfortunately Aerosmith have released a lot of shit (and a great deal of their '80s stadium rock stuff started to sound like bad Def Leppard), but they've had some amazing songs and in the '70s they were on par with early GN'R and Led Zeppelin. (Rocks and Toys in the Attic - but especially Rocks - are still classics.)

And there's no denying Steven has a great voice. He has just as much range as Axl - he can do low Morrison-like bluesy stuff (think "Big Ten Inch Record") and then suddenly squeal really high ("Back in the Saddle"). The difference is unlike Axl, Steven has been more active and therefore has released some pretty terrible stuff. But his voice is unique and Aerosmith - despite some bad albums - has released enough great stuff to be solidified as a classic rock band in my book.

And Joe Perry is up there with Slash.

im sorry but i have to disagree with your line about aerosmith putting shit out. The ONLY time they put shit out was in the late 90s and early 00's. with nine lives and push to play. Everything else is fucking ace.

There 80s stuff is my favourite.

I love there 70s also but there 80s stuff is where it is for me.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2006, 07:32:29 AM »

To set the record strait Steven has a great voice.  This posters opinion is nil for the simple fact he likes death metal!

To set the record straight, lots of death metal vocalists do clean singing as well. Ever heard of Opeth?  Tongue

Most likely the answer's no. When it comes to music this guy is totally ignorant, all he does is play his old Rolling Stones and M?tley Crue records and bash everything else.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2006, 07:57:56 AM »

To set the record strait Steven has a great voice.  This posters opinion is nil for the simple fact he likes death metal!

To set the record straight, lots of death metal vocalists do clean singing as well. Ever heard of Opeth?  Tongue

Most likely the answer's no. When it comes to music this guy is totally ignorant, all he does is play his old Rolling Stones and M?tley Crue records and bash everything else.

well i can understand him disliking death metal i guess. It is pointless, lyrically anyway.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2006, 08:00:23 AM »


well i can understand him disliking death metal i guess. It is pointless, lyrically anyway.

Sure. I've just noticed a pattern of "That's shit  rant" -type of one-liners coming from Gunner80. It's his trademark, I guess.
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2006, 08:08:18 AM »


well i can understand him disliking death metal i guess. It is pointless, lyrically anyway.

Sure. I've just noticed a pattern of "That's shit  rant" -type of one-liners coming from Gunner80. It's his trademark, I guess.

lol i understand, he should post reasons to back up his statement on it you mean?
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2006, 01:13:14 PM »

See Through Dreams (Death)

Born into darkness
Where sounds portay the images that are out
Out of reach from my sight
Which has been denied
Hands change into my eyes
Body senses intensified
Sight so close yet far away

In dreams my thoughts take their form
To give memories identify
Through dreams I obtain
The ability to connect sight with sound

Close your eyes and imagine to be without
What we take for granted every time we open eyes
A permanent shadow to never step away
Feel the dark in the cold
Feel the warmth of the light
Which has been denied
Hands change into my eyes
Body senses intensified
Sight so close yet far away
In dreams my thoughts take their form
To give memories identify
Through dreams I obtain
The ability to connect sight with sound

The Formative Years (Atheist)

In the short time
That I have spent here
In this ghastly plane
I've come to find
There are so many things
That should be changed
Like the relationship
Between the elder and the youth
It lights the fuse that leads
To all our problems
And that's the truth

Ambition, floods our hearts
In a world in which
We must succeed
If it's only in our eyes
Connoisseur of Opportunity
Release your stubborn nature
Don't electrify the seed
Rectify the need

We know you speak with them
Your close but very far
Communication is essential
Like the light to stars
No need to tell them no
No need to slap their hands
These are the formative years
You would not understand

The Endurance (Deeds of Flesh)

In the days of old
Journeys to the middle of sea
Brought fortunes from the products
Of monsters

Yet one such fateful journeys would prove
Trying to even the most hardened sea bearer
For the beasts of the sea would take their revenge
On a vessel of maritime lore

Somewhere in the deep south
Near the grounds of great white beasts
The ship approached to pillage them for their greed

When one struck back, the vessel took to the deep
Now abondoned, stranded on small open boats
Three doomed parties left on the open sea

What lye ahead was ninety days
To endure the harsh elements and insanity
Nothing but hard bread and stale water
A diet of ocean slavery

When the storm came to feed
The crew was left with nothing
Left starving and hungry
Winds of unbelievable nature
Waves upon waves, the beating

Watching the bailing till morning
The rain it never goes away
The nights never seem to end

Day by day the famine grows worse
Exposed to the full force of the meridian sun
Without shield, the burning influence pierces through skin
The thirst unbearable, fastly wasting away

Dying from the elements
One boat lost at sea
Survival would soon turn to depravity

And out they spoke
And out they spoke for lots of flesh and blood
And who should die
And who should die for a fellow's food

As one fell to weakness
The corpse ready to be disposed
In the sea
Lying there like a tasty meal of salty meat
In that, they should find relief from present sufferings
So preparations were made to preserve the meat
From spoilage
Separate the limbs - Cut the flesh from bones
Open the chest - Take out the heart

Now the cravings of nature
Could be eagerly devoured
A most deplorable and affecting picture
Of suffering and misery

Suffocation (Morbid Angel)

Laugh at the tragedies
Mock with disrespect
Goats under rule of father time
Leaches pass judgement on their fellow kind
And die when their inner self goes astray
Alas, I pay homage to the ancient ones
Speak my name!!
Raise the staff of the morbid priest
Descend into the fires of the true law

Suffocating evil smoke arise
Cleansing the masses of iniquity
Cauldrons blaze in sanctifying ritual
Vile crematory burns my eyes

Mortals filled with despair
They quest to forsee their fate
Caverns below await the wine to flow
Rape the harvest of souls
I watch in awe as the crucifiers march
Killing time, killing all I see
Another moon rise, human waste
Screaming 'Why hath thou forsaken me ?'

It's the dawn of the crucifiers
Suffocation

I don't see any "pointless" lyrics here. Does this lack the emotive transcendency of Motley Crue and Ratt?  rofl Of all things, lyrics are probably death metal's strongest point. Big vocabulary words sound nice and scary when they're grunted out. HEMORRHAJACULATION REVELATION DEFENESTRATION!!!!  rant Wink
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2006, 05:10:24 PM »

They are called death metal, surely they get that classification because they sing about death, so why should bands that dont roar and grunt about death every song be classified as that?
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