TO: Those who are attacking Jarmo about the RS thing

[gnr2006]

Either way, the Ads are mysteriously off CD.com in ONE DAY after this post. Jarmo saw them yesterday, as did many people. Thought it took weeks before they were removed.... I don't want to argue about this in this thread though - the ads are now removed and I applaud BP and the cd.com staff for doing the right thing.

i didn't see the ads.

and i'd be very surprised if Sean (BP) saw this thread, saw the specific ads (especially when he is in Greece and those ads would probably only show in the United States) and would have the possibility and the time to make changes "on the fly".

That's why I apologized for not telling BP personally about the Ads running. I should have given him the benefit of the doubt.

Mygnr is another story....

But again, this is not the point of my thread. My point is that how come it's ok for certain forums to do one thing, and then everyone bashes Jarmo just for listening to management? and like blueheart said herself: BP asked management about putting Ads on his site, so essentially, he's listening to management. So BP listens to management, and presale password ads run on his site, and nothing gets said. Jarmo listens to management, and he's a censoring nazi.

That's my point. I meant nothing against BP personally. He is a great guy whose been great to me over the years.

If anyone wants to discuss the Advertising thing with me, please use a PM. I should have used a different example when I was trying to stick up for Jarmo, so that my point wouldn't have been totally lost on people.

[jazjme]

Usually it is because, they dont think before or after, they make assumptions, without really knowing, its a human flaw, what can be done, I dunno. BUt , so far what is on the table, in this discussion is , people are throwng back and forth accusations, askng , why didnt you sak, why this why that, blah blah blah!!, Bottom line is communication. And IF this is the community I belive in, "speaking for many". Why is it people want to shut out others? Is it the politics of it, the inside info, .anyone, sorry GNR 2006, in my heart you rock, shame thigs went sour, not that it really matters, cause, ya know I never held anomosity.


As far as add banners, and stuff. I tend to think that they were not intentionally placed there, hell when I did my space, and I hard use it, I see a banner, for out .com. Could it be because I identified myself as gay, could it be I had no control. Do I really give a fuck!. Not really.

Bottom line is, instead of nick picking each other, and the same community we all enjoy. Let the the damn bikering stop. And When the music comes, if only for the moment, let everyone enjoy , and listen... and enjoy.

yeah I know Im stupid!

[NicoRourke]

You think.
When you're asked to do something, don't you think to ask why?? After all, as you pointed out, it was a request and not an order.

Maybe he doesn't need to ask, maybe he knew what to do in this particular situation, get it ?

If the band's management or whoever connected with the band makes such a request, you don't need to know why. And they don't have to make it an order because they know that Jarmo isn't the one who's going to spread fucking bullshit everywhere. So it's logical to react like he does.

I prefer not knowing why this or that happened because I don't give a shit.

I know this : When it's (whatever news, update, etc.) going to be on HTGTH, then I'll know that I can take it for what it's worth (meaning serious shit).

I'm not going anywhere else to get GN'R infos because the other boards ... well, I don't like 'em.

And before anybody says it, I'm no ass-kisser. I'm not taking the bullshit I read sometimes here from some posters.

[GnR-NOW]

In response to the recent request not to post the new RS article on the board, I have read alot of negative posts along the lines of its stupid we cant post it, we cant talk about anything anymore, this site bows down to management requests .... all posts along those lines.  Basically if management doesn't want  it discussed on this board, Im sure there is a good reason for it.  We should doubt not the decision process and the way this site operates, and its because this site is presesnt with a professional manner, we benefit from management with presales. I know I was one of many to benefit from the original pre-pre sale for the 15th at Hammerstein, any Im sure many other benefitted from teh LV and SF presales.  This is the best GNR fan site, and could take it a step further and say its the best GNR site period.  So if management doesn't want the articles posted and discussed lets leave it at that, and Im sure we'll continued to be rewarded.

[Eazy E]

I think management should run pre-sales through the official GN'R fan club and let the unofficial GN'R fan sites discuss everything related to the band.

[Minneapolisnewsman]

You nailed it!  There is good reason they don't want this discussed right now!  I would look at this as, well, something big is maybe about to break!  There is something significant regarding this Rolling Stone feature, that they want to disseminate to the masses through Rolling Stone.  Or, at least it seems that way??

[bazgnr]

At this point, I'm assuming there's a good reason behind it. ?We - or at least I - have been treated well here, and I'm appreciative for all the Hammerstein help that HTGTH, Mysteron, etc., have provided - it was very cool, and also very unneccessary. ?Personally, I'm not about to throw daggers, even if I don't get why exactly a GnR specific topic is currently off limits. ?Time will tell, I suppose, but in the meantime, I don't have a problem with it, and trust those with more information that I have at the present time...

[bazgnr]

You nailed it!? There is good reason they don't want this discussed right now!? I would look at this as, well, something big is maybe about to break!? There is something significant regarding this Rolling Stone feature, that they want to disseminate to the masses through Rolling Stone.? Or, at least it seems that way??

Or perhaps a RS-exclusive has been in the pipeline for some time now, and those in and close to the band want to ensure that such a deal is honored, and that news doesn't get out from elsewhere, unsubstantiated rumors or not...

[Axl_GNR]

its pretty silly that you can't discuss that article here. i really don't see anything contraversial about it.  its not like people aren't going to discuss it on other boards  

i remember when Limp Bizkit released The Unquestionable Truth, Pt. 1 without any promotion or single/video and it bombed....so I hope GNR doesn't take that route

[kyrie]

Regardless as to whether or not there's good reason:

You CANNOT censor the Internet.

It's about as possible as censoring real life ("this guy's chin looks like balls - you want me to censor that too?").

Watching people delete chats over a published article in R.S. is just... funny  . All it has done is drawn even more attention to an otherwise less-than-noteworthy article (what, we learnt a song title and that Axl has parties?).

Had nothing been done, there wouldn't be half as much discussion as there is now.

[bazgnr]

Regardless as to whether or not there's good reason:

You CANNOT censor the Internet.

It's about as possible as censoring real life ("this guy's chin looks like balls - you want me to censor that too?").

Watching people delete chats over a published article in R.S. is just... funny? . All it has done is drawn even more attention to an otherwise less-than-noteworthy article (what, we learnt a song title and that Axl has parties?).

Had nothing been done, there wouldn't be half as much discussion as there is now.

I totally agree with you, especially on your last sentence.  That said, I also think there's something to be said for good faith.  This board has been good to the fans, and I'm still working on the assumption that there's a reason behind it, whether it's a reason I agree with or not.  At this point, it's not worth me getting all worked up over.   I will, however, be checking out that full article tomorrow...

[NJ Guns]

Well when people haven't got any facts for, oh 13 years or so, when they get somethng that looks like a fact perhaps they might want to talk about it.  But if the powers-that-be here say you can't talk about it, oh well.  It's all public knowledge anyway so what's the big deal?  It's on the internet, it's on your newsstand, it's not like it's a big secret.  What exactly is there to say here?  It'll just be some guessing about whether it's true or not.  Not like anybody ever really knows what is going on.  More rumors, more speculation, blah blah blah.  We're not allowed to mindlessly speculate about what's said in the article so instead we mindlessly speculate about why we're not allowed to mindlessly speculate about the article.  Oy vey.  Either the album will come out.  Or it won't.  And then you can talk about it.

[Scree]

Wait a sec, we can't discuss this now? How about tomorrow when that issue is released?

[GnR-NOW]

The point of this thread from my perspective wasnt to give my opinion on why we cant discuss the topic, but to say if they don't want us to discuss then Im fine with that because the board has been good to us fans.  Can anyone honestly say they werent given the opportunity to benefit from the presale if they followed the rules.  So to me its irrelevant what theyre reason is, but I'll go along with it because the site hasnt let us down.

[Naupis]

The stance would be a little more understandable if the thing weren't plastered on the front page of the un-named website. Things like the leak were understandable, but to get your panties in a twist over your band's hardcore fans reading something you provided quotes and approval for makes exactly zero sense.

I would think it would be more important for Merck to try and do the information lockdown routine on the site that is getting millions of hits a day, rather than the one that is getting a few thousand hardcore fans every day. I guess that would make too much sense though.

[Charity Case]

The pre-sales have been useless pretty much guys. ?It's great that they had them and all, but you can still get good tickets to almost all the shows. ?A pre-sales is really most beneficial when the artist is going to sell out fast (like GNR used to back in the day).

As for this topic. ?Who cares? ?We can bitch all we want, but it won't change a thing.

[Minneapolisnewsman]

It sure is strange???  Especially since the article was on the front page of rolling stone magazine website???  I don't know, has anyone speculated that they are trying to get the article pulled before the mag hits the stands???  Real weird.  I still think there must be something exciting, that they want Rolling Stone to get into the mainstream exclusively.

[Scree]

The pre-sales have been useless pretty much guys.  It's great that they had them and all, but you can still get good tickets to almost all the shows.  A pre-sales is really most beneficial when the artist is going to sell out fast (like GNR used to back in the day).

As for this topic.  Who cares?  We can bitch all we want, but it won't change a thing.

True, but whats the point of having a fan forum where we can't discuss new info? If it was an official forum, then sure. But this is a fan forum, nothing more.

Also it's public knowledge.. on the RS website.

So why are we not allowed to discuss it?

[FunkyMonkey]

I think we need to cut Jarmo some slack.  When the article was posted he seemed as excited as all of us to get the story...but then someone must have contacted him and asked him to pull the thread.  He decided to honor that request.  We will have to wait to see why.  As for the RS article, it is old news now.  I do not want to read about BAZ telling me about the song....I want to HEAR the song.

[veritas55]

it's just silly to ban discussions on something like that article