The Teenage Rock Fan

[requiem156]

and people will hear the music. The question here is that probably there will be no single/video before Cd release...but once its released im sure we will have videos, singles, lots of publicity, etc.. Read my post before, and dont worry so much...jesus...

?

Simply put, give me an example of this strategy working or give me a benefit of it. ?No publicity will garnish publicity is untrue, it just wreaks of defeat.

Somebody took their negative pills this morning.

Wow great comment, ill take that as an inability to answer my question.

Could you phrase the question in a couple of sentences? I find your posts long-winded and boring, but I'll give it a shot if you can break it down a little.

[AxlRose4eva1]

and people will hear the music. The question here is that probably there will be no single/video before Cd release...but once its released im sure we will have videos, singles, lots of publicity, etc.. Read my post before, and dont worry so much...jesus...

?

Simply put, give me an example of this strategy working or give me a benefit of it. ?No publicity will garnish publicity is untrue, it just wreaks of defeat.

Somebody took their negative pills this morning.

Wow great comment, ill take that as an inability to answer my question.

Could you phrase the question in a couple of sentences? I find your posts long-winded and boring, but I'll give it a shot if you can break it down a little.

Im realy doubting your literacy.  I think I broke it down as much as possible when I said in one line (which you quoted btw but never responded to) "Simply put, give me an example of a non promotional strategy working, or give me a benefit to it.  No publicitly will not cause publicity.  It just wreaks of defeat"

If reading a paragraph is too much for you, how about you just read that.

[pilferk]

Imagine you are a 15 year old rock fan.? You grew up through grunge, probably listen to Zep and Stones and Sabbath, listen to Audioslave and maybe even own a copy of AFD.? You walk into Bestbuy and look in the new releases and see Chinese Democracy.? Most teenage rock fans couldnt tell you what Chinese Democracy is, some who do probably just have heard of it.? Maybe the CD will rouse their interest and theyll pick it up, but CD's are about 17 dollars at Bestbuy and most rock fans dont buy them unless they are fans of the band.? If hes a real rock fan he will probably go home and look for it on Morpheus, most fans will probably dismiss it.? Many people will have no idea what it is, or have no interest in what they deem as an 80's band.? There will be no single on radio, and there will be no video on mtv, vh1 or mtv2.? No teenager blind buys (or i guess deaf buys) albums anymore, its too expensive and they can dl the music for free.? This is the rock fan we are talking about too.? The non rock teenager will have no idea what chinese democracy is, and maybe only recognize a few gnr songs.

MTV doesnt care about GNR or music anymore, VH1 wont message it except maybe on some obscure rock show.? Most teenagers dont read the papers, some read music magazines, but thats rare, a lot go to sites like Pitchfork and such, but that wont mention GNR.? What media unit is going to pump this CD.? THE UNITED STATES MAINSTREAM DOES NOT CARE ABOUT GNR ANYMORE.? The key to promotion is by getting the word out there to as many people as possible.? To make GNR "cool" again, by releasing a powerful gritty single, with a video having a concert like feel, relying on new songs on the tour and not relying on old songs.? If every person who sees GNR in concert this tour buys an album the album would maybe do well enough for the band to stay together...MAYBE. If GNR plays 80% old songs, why are fans going to buy the new songs if the band does not act like they are even strong enough to play in concert.?

If the non promotion strategy is in effect it sounds like the label isnt happy with the cd and does not believe in it.? It sounds like they are cutting their loss with this stupid "no promotion will garner promotion" idea.? Limp Bizkit did the same thing and flopped, they released the same worthless material (minus borland) and paid radio stations to play it and went several times platinum.? We live in an era where exposure is everything.? People are all followers.?

While most cds are bought by people 45+, the next strongest demographic is 10-18.? This is a crucial market that must be tapped for the band to be successful with this cd, and this strategy will fail to generate support in that demographic. (stats come from RIAA)

1) The target demo is probably not 10-18 but 18 - 25.

2) You're hearing on radio, mtv, print media, etc the way GnR is going to let the world know an album is out.

3) Why do 15 year old kids buy music?  Because a) their friends like it and push it word of mouth or b) they hear it on the radio and like it or c) they hear about it on tv, on the radio, or read about it in a magazine and think the tracks sound cool.

Honestly, no matter how many billboards, no matter how many radio spots, no matter how many MTV ads are run....GnR isn't going to compel anyone to buy CD, who is not already a fan.  CD is, in many cases, like a punchline to some bad joke.  The only way they're going to escape that is by actually releasing it.  After that's done they can compel people to buy it by letting them either sample it in various ways on the radio, on tv...whatever.

[pilferk]

Simply put, give me an example of this strategy working or give me a benefit of it. ?No publicity will garnish publicity is untrue, it just wreaks of defeat.

Well, Appetite for Destruction comes to mind...

It had little to no promo on release.

It had little to no airplay at release.

All that built up over it's first 2 or 3 weeks after release and built even futher from week to week and month to month.

Groundswell promotion DOES work.  If it didn't, every debut band would fail.

As for the press....yes, debuting at 55 might cause some stir.  But positive press reviews would likely stem that.

No one denies their are risks to this strategy and that it's unorthodox.  But there are risks to every strategy and, given the perception of CD (that it will never, ever come out, etc).....risky and unorthodox may just be the best bet.

[requiem156]

and people will hear the music. The question here is that probably there will be no single/video before Cd release...but once its released im sure we will have videos, singles, lots of publicity, etc.. Read my post before, and dont worry so much...jesus...

?

Simply put, give me an example of this strategy working or give me a benefit of it. ?No publicity will garnish publicity is untrue, it just wreaks of defeat.

Somebody took their negative pills this morning.

Wow great comment, ill take that as an inability to answer my question.

Could you phrase the question in a couple of sentences? I find your posts long-winded and boring, but I'll give it a shot if you can break it down a little.

Im realy doubting your literacy.? I think I broke it down as much as possible when I said in one line (which you quoted btw but never responded to) "Simply put, give me an example of a non promotional strategy working, or give me a benefit to it.? No publicitly will not cause publicity.? It just wreaks of defeat"

If reading a paragraph is too much for you, how about you just read that.

It's perfect that you mis-spelled "really" in the sentence questioning my literacy. You're a real credit to yourself. Pilferk's example of AFD is great, and very appropos, but I could name any number of other bands that took off without a ton of publicity - Alice in Chains, Metallica, Jane's Addiction, Primus, U2, Modest Mouse, to name just a few. None of those bands had even close to the publicity that Guns have gotten this year by touring high profile venues in Europe(RIR, etc), having Axl appear at the VMA's(presenting and being interviewed), having Rolling Stone interview Axl at the Korn release party, and selling out a show at Madison Square Garden. If that's not publicity my vocabulary is weaker than I thought.

[Bodhi]

dude are you insane??? cds are 17 dollars at best buy!!!!?! since when?? every new release is $9.99 the week it comes out....some are even $7.99 the week they come out....what best buy do you go to?

[RageNirvanaNIN]

as a normal teenage rock fan I would def' not buy this album. Let me tell you what we ( teenagers of this generation ) see CD as

 A group of musicians who have little to no emotion in their playing who just jam out to a bunch of classic songs with a lead singer who is trying too hard to make an impact on music.