Chance of Sell outs?

[BKinNYC]

If I may recall the price of a ticket..the Guns / Metallica stadium tour in 1992..when it arrived at Giants Stadium it was going for about $45 dollars for the upper deck spots..(ok..maybe $54 with ticketmaster charges).

2002 I think I paid $90 something for a floor seat at MSG and that was with the surcharge.

It's getting pricy out there.but I guess die hards will shell out the money to see their favorite artists...

That's a great point, and that's where the problem is. ?Most of my friends are "casual" gn'r fans. ?I bought tickets for MSG, and my girlfriend said "it's just going to be the same thing as last time, right?" ?I couldn't really respond with anything other than "Yeah."

Love them or hate them, a good comparison would be the Crue/Aerosmith tour. ?If you went to this tour in May, most likely you're not going to pay MORE to see them again a few months later, when it's essentially the same show. ?

I have to admit, it is a little alarming that Gn'R haven't sold out the Garden yet. ?Screw releasing a single before that. ?That's not big enough, and is risky. ?What if the casual fan doesn't like the song that's released? ?In order to make some noise and drum up some interest, they have to finally release the album.

[Minneapolisnewsman]

well, they have not papered these shows like they did in 2002.? Although there are not any papered sell outs, it seems that sales are better than in 2002.? With the GA floors, these shows are going to be crazy!! Generally, sales are doing better than expected.? I think the Continental Airlines show (20K) is about sold out.? I would think the Canandian shows, Naples, MSG, Jacksonville (out of $39.50 seats), and Miami shows are going to be close to selling out shortly.?

You said that same thing days after the tickets in Sac and Fresno went on sale, and they still aren't even close to selling out. The only thing thats going to sell these tickets is an album, or at least a single. If neither happens, they need to do a mass promotion marketing this as a nostalgia tour.

I only said the Sac. date would be close to a sell out or sold out by showtime. ?Who cares, and why be such a jerk? ?The lower levels for these shows, will always have some new rows open up until very close to show time. ?GA, also allows them to pack folks in like cattle. ?If you saw some of the raw data, then you would realize that many of these dates are selling very well. ?You are crazy if you don't think Continental and MSG won't be sold out by showtime--and if they aren't, who cares, go and enjoy the show.

[gandra]

well, they have not papered these shows like they did in 2002.? Although there are not any papered sell outs, it seems that sales are better than in 2002.? With the GA floors, these shows are going to be crazy!! Generally, sales are doing better than expected.? I think the Continental Airlines show (20K) is about sold out.? I would think the Canandian shows, Naples, MSG, Jacksonville (out of $39.50 seats), and Miami shows are going to be close to selling out shortly.?

You said that same thing days after the tickets in Sac and Fresno went on sale, and they still aren't even close to selling out. The only thing thats going to sell these tickets is an album, or at least a single. If neither happens, they need to do a mass promotion marketing this as a nostalgia tour.

do you think that,or you have a fact that this show is near to be sell out

I only said the Sac. date would be close to a sell out or sold out by showtime. ?Who cares, and why be such a jerk? ?The lower levels for these shows, will always have some new rows open up until very close to show time. ?GA, also allows them to pack folks in like cattle. ?If you saw some of the raw data, then you would realize that many of these dates are selling very well. ?You are crazy if you don't think Continental and MSG won't be sold out by showtime--and if they aren't, who cares, go and enjoy the show.

[jameslofton29]

  Screw releasing a single before that.  That's not big enough, and is risky.  What if the casual fan doesn't like the song that's released?  In order to make some noise and drum up some interest, they have to finally release the album.

Good point. By only releasing a single(or putting a song on a soundtrack), they risk another "Oh My God" situation where the fans hate it, and it could cause a tour disaster and another Axl hibernation.

well, they have not papered these shows like they did in 2002.  Although there are not any papered sell outs, it seems that sales are better than in 2002.  With the GA floors, these shows are going to be crazy!! Generally, sales are doing better than expected.  I think the Continental Airlines show (20K) is about sold out.  I would think the Canandian shows, Naples, MSG, Jacksonville (out of $39.50 seats), and Miami shows are going to be close to selling out shortly. 

You said that same thing days after the tickets in Sac and Fresno went on sale, and they still aren't even close to selling out. The only thing thats going to sell these tickets is an album, or at least a single. If neither happens, they need to do a mass promotion marketing this as a nostalgia tour.

I only said the Sac. date would be close to a sell out or sold out by showtime.  Who cares, and why be such a jerk?  The lower levels for these shows, will always have some new rows open up until very close to show time.  GA, also allows them to pack folks in like cattle.  If you saw some of the raw data, then you would realize that many of these dates are selling very well.  You are crazy if you don't think Continental and MSG won't be sold out by showtime--and if they aren't, who cares, go and enjoy the show.

Since when is stating facts being a jerk? I never said Continental or MSG wouldn't be sold out by showtime. Dont put words in my mouth to try and prove your point.

 Of course I'm going to enjoy the show whether it sells out or not. But if none of the shows are selling out, there may not be a fucking show by the time it gets over here. You only need to go back 4 years for an example.

[BKinNYC]

? Screw releasing a single before that.? That's not big enough, and is risky.? What if the casual fan doesn't like the song that's released?? In order to make some noise and drum up some interest, they have to finally release the album.

Good point. By only releasing a single(or putting a song on a soundtrack), they risk another "Oh My God" situation where the fans hate it, and it could cause a tour disaster and another Axl hibernation.

well, they have not papered these shows like they did in 2002.? Although there are not any papered sell outs, it seems that sales are better than in 2002.? With the GA floors, these shows are going to be crazy!! Generally, sales are doing better than expected.? I think the Continental Airlines show (20K) is about sold out.? I would think the Canandian shows, Naples, MSG, Jacksonville (out of $39.50 seats), and Miami shows are going to be close to selling out shortly.?

You said that same thing days after the tickets in Sac and Fresno went on sale, and they still aren't even close to selling out. The only thing thats going to sell these tickets is an album, or at least a single. If neither happens, they need to do a mass promotion marketing this as a nostalgia tour.

I only said the Sac. date would be close to a sell out or sold out by showtime.? Who cares, and why be such a jerk?? The lower levels for these shows, will always have some new rows open up until very close to show time.? GA, also allows them to pack folks in like cattle.? If you saw some of the raw data, then you would realize that many of these dates are selling very well.? You are crazy if you don't think Continental and MSG won't be sold out by showtime--and if they aren't, who cares, go and enjoy the show.

Since when is stating facts being a jerk? I never said Continental or MSG wouldn't be sold out by showtime. Dont put words in my mouth to try and prove your point.

 Of course I'm going to enjoy the show whether it sells out or not. But if none of the shows are selling out, there may not be a fucking show by the time it gets over here. You only need to go back 4 years for an example.

Another good point.  We're discussing marketing and money here, not the love of the band.  Obviously, we all love them, or we wouldn't be here.  However, burying a random press release that "Gn'R rocked California" isn't the best way to go.  How many average fans read this, or know that the website is up?  Then, they go to the website, and see......that they're playing more dates with their "soon to be released album."  Hardly earth-shattering news.

Like I said, it's arguing apples and oranges.  Of course the die-hard fans will enjoy the show.  But because of their past reputation, and they're touring again without any new music being released to the masses makes people think that this is the exact same show as 2002, or even a few months ago.

Personally, I'm a little bummed that they're playing MSG instead of Hammerstein.  If not many people are going to go, I'd rather see them play an intimate venue.  It will be the same show that I saw in May, except this time I'll have a tougher time seeing the show.

[HamsterDemocracy]

Some "fans" here are way, way, way too defensive. Axl is a human being, do you think he really wants you to even treat him like he can do no wrong?

Just because the shows aren't selling out doesn't mean you have to insult others or try to make up elaborate reasons for why they're not selling fast - just be glad they're selling, and be glad GN'R is back, and be glad we have an album this year, and stop treating people who are objective about GN'R like shit, because they don't deserve it.

I love how some people's perception's of a "fan" here is blindly worshipping anything Axl Rose does, and when someone disagrees with something he says/does suddenly they are "not a TRUE Guns N' Roses fan." Oh, like you are? What makes you more of a fan? Because you can kiss his ass more?

Hello, he's a man, not a god. Take Axl's own advice and live your own lives and let him worry about his own.

[flickn]

speaking of saling out a venue , I am not buying any tickes until a album is ready for purchase off a record store shelf.Fuck nastalgia .

you wanna play in sac great , you want me to come see you great , you going to drop a new album before then , that would be wise, you want tour marketing , it's all in the album.I wanna hear music that is brand new not leaked with bumblefoot credits to boot. These guys need there own image not one created in 1985

[Spedgear]

It could very well be the reason why neither MSg or Continental haven't sold out is because simply...quite possibly..yes it could be the same ole stuff...it may not.  Play in an intimate venue like Hammerstein..sure that would sell out quickly but then that would lock out a few load of fans.  The possible main reason why Hammerstein sold out their 4 shows was that the band hadn't surfaced since 2002.
 We possibly all figured the GNR version 3.0 or 4.0 or whatever we're up to  have finally come up for air and a cd would drop this summer.  The album hadn't but we were all curious to see what the band would sound like 4 years later.

I'm hoping this time around they'll change the set list...have fun and for the love of a fan..tell us when the album's coming out. 

[kyrie]

speaking of saling out a venue , I am not buying any tickes until a album is ready for purchase off a record store shelf.Fuck nastalgia .

you wanna play in sac great , you want me to come see you great , you going to drop a new album before then , that would be wise, you want tour marketing , it's all in the album.I wanna hear music that is brand new not leaked with bumblefoot credits to boot. These guys need there own image not one created in 1985

More grammar, less griping. The album is out when it's out. What difference does it make so long as the new songs are played? They're still the same songs, whether they be leaked or on the CD - it doesn't mean anything different will happen at the live shows.

[russtcb]

speaking of saling out a venue , I am not buying any tickes until a album is ready for purchase off a record store shelf.Fuck nastalgia .

you wanna play in sac great , you want me to come see you great , you going to drop a new album before then , that would be wise, you want tour marketing , it's all in the album.I wanna hear music that is brand new not leaked with bumblefoot credits to boot. These guys need there own image not one created in 1985

More grammar, less griping. The album is out when it's out. What difference does it make so long as the new songs are played? They're still the same songs, whether they be leaked or on the CD - it doesn't mean anything different will happen at the live shows.

I know bbf said once that he thought the setlist would change around October, so I'm assuming that's still true.

If anyone is looking for a reason why the tickets aren't selling extremely fast, they need to look no further then promotion.

Has anyone seen anything about this anywhere other then here, the new website and MTV.com???

Pollstar and Billboard have yet to report anything. I haven't heard a word about the tour on any rock station in Detroit yet and thats a big deal.

They need to get the word out and I think people will buy tickets.

Now again, if they are doing it this way so all of us die hards can get the tickets first, then I can't do anything but be grateful.

[Minneapolisnewsman]

Guy's, in 2002, people could buy first 10 rows of lower level, loge, club level, and upper level until the hour of the show.  That is not the case this year.  Why is it, the same people always look at the glass as half empty, and the spew utter non-sense on these boards based on uninformed opinions?  And there defense when you present facts contrary to their negative bs:  " you're just defending Axl against anything and being blind."  Really, if you look at many peoples posts, they are quite objective.  Typically, they are just defending the band against attacks loaded with false insinuations.  These shows, overall, are selling way better than in 2002.  The only ones that might not be selling great are Fresno, and Reno.  Trust me, MSG did not really sell out in fifteen minutes last time.  You could buy tickets in the first five rows right up to showtime.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

i'm sure that 90% of shows will be 90% packed.

In 2002 thet said ny show sold out in 10 minutes,but on billboard chart there were 1000 free seats

That is because they always hold back about that many seats to release the day of or a few days before.

[jameslofton29]

 Newsman,I dont spew "utter nonsense", or look at the glass half empty. If you like to think of facts as delusional, then be my guest. I want these shows to sell out as much as anyone, but they havent. Just dont claim these shows are within seconds of selling out when you know thats not the case. It doesnt help the GNR cause by spewing misinformation like that. YOu said Arco was just about to sell out weeks ago. Go to Livenation or any other site that sells tickets. Pick a section and seat. Its yours. No need for any presales unless its a club venue.

[Fit to Burn]

Halifax has sold out.? I think it seats around 10,000.?

its 10000 for hockey so you gotta add the floor

[kyrie]

Newsman,I dont spew "utter nonsense", or look at the glass half empty. If you like to think of facts as delusional, then be my guest. I want these shows to sell out as much as anyone, but they havent. Just dont claim these shows are within seconds of selling out when you know thats not the case. It doesnt help the GNR cause by spewing misinformation like that. YOu said Arco was just about to sell out weeks ago. Go to Livenation or any other site that sells tickets. Pick a section and seat. Its yours. No need for any presales unless its a club venue.

Without presales I never would have gotten floors for either show I'm attending, as the floors for both sold out. For the Canadian shows I searched for two tickets (I'm going to two of these, would have liked a third but $$).

   Toronto: Floor gone, lower bowl mostly filled.
    Ottawa: Floors and lower bowl gone, 200 level gone, 300s available.
  Winnipeg: Floors and lower bowl gone, 200s available.
     Halifax: You cannot get 2 tickets ANYWHERE. Only single seats in the upper bowl available.
    Calgary: Floor and lower bowl gone, 200s available (High side view, it gave me section 210 which looks like crap).
Edmonton: Floors and upper bowl gone, 200 level available.

You can snag some singles of course. Come showtime though these venues are gonna be packed.

I have no idea what agency sells tickets for Quebec City... I'm actually thinking about hitting that show...

[Fit to Burn]

Newsman,I dont spew "utter nonsense", or look at the glass half empty. If you like to think of facts as delusional, then be my guest. I want these shows to sell out as much as anyone, but they havent. Just dont claim these shows are within seconds of selling out when you know thats not the case. It doesnt help the GNR cause by spewing misinformation like that. YOu said Arco was just about to sell out weeks ago. Go to Livenation or any other site that sells tickets. Pick a section and seat. Its yours. No need for any presales unless its a club venue.

Without presales I never would have gotten floors for either show I'm attending, as the floors for both sold out. For the Canadian shows I searched for two tickets (I'm going to two of these, would have liked a third but $$).

? ?Toronto: Floor gone, lower bowl mostly filled.
? ? Ottawa: Floors and lower bowl gone, 200 level gone, 300s available.
? Winnipeg: Floors and lower bowl gone, 200s available.
? ? ?Halifax: You cannot get 2 tickets ANYWHERE. Only single seats in the upper bowl available.
? ? Calgary: Floor and lower bowl gone, 200s available (High side view, it gave me section 210 which looks like crap).
Edmonton: Floors and upper bowl gone, 200 level available.

You can snag some singles of course. Come showtime though these venues are gonna be packed.

I have no idea what agency sells tickets for Quebec City... I'm actually thinking about hitting that show...

http://www.admission.com/html/browse.htmI?l=EN&cat=33&siteCat=1

[kyrie]

Halifax has sold out.  I think it seats around 10,000. 

its 10000 for hockey so you gotta add the floor

But subtract the seats behind the stage. 10,000 is probably about right. Halifax isn't sold out just yet, but you can only get single seats in the upper bowl.

[kyrie]

Newsman,I dont spew "utter nonsense", or look at the glass half empty. If you like to think of facts as delusional, then be my guest. I want these shows to sell out as much as anyone, but they havent. Just dont claim these shows are within seconds of selling out when you know thats not the case. It doesnt help the GNR cause by spewing misinformation like that. YOu said Arco was just about to sell out weeks ago. Go to Livenation or any other site that sells tickets. Pick a section and seat. Its yours. No need for any presales unless its a club venue.

Without presales I never would have gotten floors for either show I'm attending, as the floors for both sold out. For the Canadian shows I searched for two tickets (I'm going to two of these, would have liked a third but $$).

   Toronto: Floor gone, lower bowl mostly filled.
    Ottawa: Floors and lower bowl gone, 200 level gone, 300s available.
  Winnipeg: Floors and lower bowl gone, 200s available.
     Halifax: You cannot get 2 tickets ANYWHERE. Only single seats in the upper bowl available.
    Calgary: Floor and lower bowl gone, 200s available (High side view, it gave me section 210 which looks like crap).
Edmonton: Floors and upper bowl gone, 200 level available.

You can snag some singles of course. Come showtime though these venues are gonna be packed.

I have no idea what agency sells tickets for Quebec City... I'm actually thinking about hitting that show...

http://www.admission.com/html/browse.htmI?l=EN&cat=33&siteCat=1

Thanks. I'm debating this third show idea right now. I'd have to do cheap seats, and drive from Ottawa the day after the Ottawa show.

[flickn]

so after 6 plus years you guys are buying into this tour, with the 13 more tuesdays until 2007 stuff as well.


I like guns n rose's music , I just want to see the fans treated right as compared to the past.




fuck grammer , it never won me a million dollars,

[Minneapolisnewsman]

Dave, you could buy tickets for MSG everyday from the date it went on-sale, up until showtime.  Only on the day of the "Sell out" announcement were tickets unavailable.  You are correct, all venues do hold tickets back, and release the corporate ticket returns shortly before all shows.   But, I am done posting, because there is no argument.  In 2002, only MSG and Chicago were close to sell outs after a few weeks of sales--and then Toronto and London sold out on the night of the show.   In 2006, there are about ten shows, already, that are going to be sold out, or as close as it can get to it, by showtime.  There is no comparison.  Throw in the strong Europe sales, the Hammerstein, sell outs and so far in this year, they have already played to double the people they did in 2002.  They have to be very happy with where they stand now, with still nearly a month out until the first show.  I expect, there is going to be another event or two in between now and Jacksonville, that will yield more publlicity and another bounce for ticket sales.   Things seem to be far more organized, and the marketing and press releases much more disciplined and timed better than 2002.

There are always going to be markets that do not sell as great, but the response to the Canadian shows alone is very impressive.   Look, Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton, Halifax, etc. are going to be out of tickets in the next month.   Of course, they will be releasing rows as they come up for sale, but those will all be gone come showtime!!  Very good weekend for the band and management.