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« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2006, 04:44:11 PM »

Were not really going to have a clue until its released
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« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2006, 05:10:27 PM »

Were not really going to have a clue until its released

spot on

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« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2006, 05:24:27 PM »

Blind speculation says that Robin, Richard and Axl will be the guitarists most prominent in the album - with Buckethead and Paul Tobias having parts on a couple of songs each.
I highly doubt Brian May's part in Catcher In The Rye will remain... it's probably been recorded by Robin.
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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2006, 05:28:04 PM »

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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2006, 05:30:29 PM »

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« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2006, 05:30:46 PM »

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Source? ?When did you need a source for blind speculation? ok
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« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2006, 05:35:19 PM »

I highly doubt Brian May's part in Catcher In The Rye will remain... it's probably been recorded by Robin.

axl's trunk interview certainly made it sound like may's part(s) have been (or would have been, at that point) rerecorded.
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« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2006, 05:35:51 PM »

I hope/guess Finck+Fortus+Buckethead only.  drool
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« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2006, 10:41:01 PM »

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly? If so, I can see those two guys handling ALL (with the exception of Axl strumming a string here or there) of the actual recorded guitar work on Chinese Democracy- and Buckethead only getting "writing" credits. Meanwhile, I think it's reasonable to conclude that BBF is merely the "live" guy for now- like Gilby was during the UYI tour. So put me down for:

Robin Finck
Richard Fortus
Axl Rose (rhythm on a track or two)

I'm actually hoping that's how it turns out.
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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2006, 10:51:46 PM »

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly?

Re-recording his parts exactly as he wrote them serves no purpose because he still has to get paid as a songwriter.  There's no point in just re-recording his parts and then still having to give him credit for co-writing the song and paying him royalty checks.  This isn't the same situation as Gilby re-recording Izzy's parts on TSI because they were cover songs and Izzy didn't get paid for the album sales

The could have deleted and re-written all of Buckethead's parts and then he wouldn't get paid besides whatever his salary for studio time was, but we've already seen evidence that this isn't the case.  For one, it's been confirmed by at least one band member that Buckethead's parts will remain on the album.  And if Bucket's parts had been axed and re-written by Finck and Fortus there would be no reason for Ron to be in the band.  It isn't a coincidence that Ron is in the band and playing the Buckethead solos from IRS, Better and the few times they played TWAT.  If they'd deleted his parts and Finck and Fortus rewrote and recorded them, then Finck and Fortus would be playing the parts live and Ron wouldn't have been hired
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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2006, 11:19:44 PM »

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly?

Re-recording his parts exactly as he wrote them serves no purpose because he still has to get paid as a songwriter.  There's no point in just re-recording his parts and then still having to give him credit for co-writing the song and paying him royalty checks.  This isn't the same situation as Gilby re-recording Izzy's parts on TSI because they were cover songs and Izzy didn't get paid for the album sales

The could have deleted and re-written all of Buckethead's parts and then he wouldn't get paid besides whatever his salary for studio time was, but we've already seen evidence that this isn't the case.  For one, it's been confirmed by at least one band member that Buckethead's parts will remain on the album.  And if Bucket's parts had been axed and re-written by Finck and Fortus there would be no reason for Ron to be in the band.  It isn't a coincidence that Ron is in the band and playing the Buckethead solos from IRS, Better and the few times they played TWAT.  If they'd deleted his parts and Finck and Fortus rewrote and recorded them, then Finck and Fortus would be playing the parts live and Ron wouldn't have been hired

Interesting read. Thanks. It's a pity that things didn't work out with Bucket. I think it's going to be rather inconvenient when the real "WOW" guitar work on the album is done by a guy no longer in the band. Would Slash be the god that he is if it was Tracii Guns, and not him, on Appetite For Destruction?
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« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2006, 01:30:51 AM »

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly?

Re-recording his parts exactly as he wrote them serves no purpose because he still has to get paid as a songwriter.  There's no point in just re-recording his parts and then still having to give him credit for co-writing the song and paying him royalty checks.  This isn't the same situation as Gilby re-recording Izzy's parts on TSI because they were cover songs and Izzy didn't get paid for the album sales

The could have deleted and re-written all of Buckethead's parts and then he wouldn't get paid besides whatever his salary for studio time was, but we've already seen evidence that this isn't the case.  For one, it's been confirmed by at least one band member that Buckethead's parts will remain on the album.  And if Bucket's parts had been axed and re-written by Finck and Fortus there would be no reason for Ron to be in the band.  It isn't a coincidence that Ron is in the band and playing the Buckethead solos from IRS, Better and the few times they played TWAT.  If they'd deleted his parts and Finck and Fortus rewrote and recorded them, then Finck and Fortus would be playing the parts live and Ron wouldn't have been hired

Interesting read. Thanks. It's a pity that things didn't work out with Bucket. I think it's going to be rather inconvenient when the real "WOW" guitar work on the album is done by a guy no longer in the band. Would Slash be the god that he is if it was Tracii Guns, and not him, on Appetite For Destruction?

I hear ya.  I'm just happy that Buckethead's stuff is staying on the album.  His solos were highlights on IRS and TWAT, I'm looking forward to hearing songs he had a heavier hand in writing.  Because many of the new songs we've heard were initially written before he joined the band like IRS, TWAT, The Blues, Chinese Democracy, Oh My God, and CITR.  I wish that Buckethead would've stayed in the band, I think Ron's a brilliant player in his own right and is a really cool dude but Buckethead really added another dimension with his solos like on Nightrain and Ron just doesn't hit the solos on IRS and Better the way Buckethead would not to mention the little bridges and sound effects Bucket does on Better
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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2006, 01:37:38 AM »

approximately six thousand guitarists have worked on Chinese Democracy.
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« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2006, 01:40:51 AM »

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly?

Yes. Especally Fortus. Wouldn't take long in the studio.

Im not saying I want that to happen.. just that its really not difficult.
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« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2006, 02:00:12 AM »

Bucket, Richard Fortus, Robin Finck.  Possibly Brian May and Axl is a far stretch.
Just a guess.
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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2006, 02:01:01 AM »

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly?

Re-recording his parts exactly as he wrote them serves no purpose because he still has to get paid as a songwriter.? There's no point in just re-recording his parts and then still having to give him credit for co-writing the song and paying him royalty checks.? This isn't the same situation as Gilby re-recording Izzy's parts on TSI because they were cover songs and Izzy didn't get paid for the album sales

The could have deleted and re-written all of Buckethead's parts and then he wouldn't get paid besides whatever his salary for studio time was, but we've already seen evidence that this isn't the case.? For one, it's been confirmed by at least one band member that Buckethead's parts will remain on the album.? And if Bucket's parts had been axed and re-written by Finck and Fortus there would be no reason for Ron to be in the band.? It isn't a coincidence that Ron is in the band and playing the Buckethead solos from IRS, Better and the few times they played TWAT.? If they'd deleted his parts and Finck and Fortus rewrote and recorded them, then Finck and Fortus would be playing the parts live and Ron wouldn't have been hired

Interesting read. Thanks. It's a pity that things didn't work out with Bucket. I think it's going to be rather inconvenient when the real "WOW" guitar work on the album is done by a guy no longer in the band. Would Slash be the god that he is if it was Tracii Guns, and not him, on Appetite For Destruction?

I hear ya.? I'm just happy that Buckethead's stuff is staying on the album.? His solos were highlights on IRS and TWAT, I'm looking forward to hearing songs he had a heavier hand in writing.? Because many of the new songs we've heard were initially written before he joined the band like IRS, TWAT, The Blues, Chinese Democracy, Oh My God, and CITR.? I wish that Buckethead would've stayed in the band, I think Ron's a brilliant player in his own right and is a really cool dude but Buckethead really added another dimension with his solos like on Nightrain and Ron just doesn't hit the solos on IRS and Better the way Buckethead would not to mention the little bridges and sound effects Bucket does on Better

I'm with you 100% Shotgunblues, Buckets playing did add a whole new dimension to the sound. I really don't think it's as simple as 'oh get this guy into re-do Buckets shit', his style is so unique I don't believe it can be replicated perfectly (i.e. Ron's attempt at the TWAT solo, sorry Ron but it's just not the same!).
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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2006, 04:13:15 AM »

Sorry if this is dead horse but exactly how many guitarists are gonna be on this fucking thing?

Robin Finck? - current member known to have done studio work
Richard Fortus - current member known to have done studio work
Buckethead - According to Dizzy and Tommy he is still on the album
Paul Tobias - Apparently a studio musician
Bumblefoot - Even with all the denials the question still pops up
Axl Rose - Rumors years ago of him learning guitar to play rhythm, he actually plays on Madagascar in RIR3
Gary Sunshine - Appears on Oh My God
Dave Navarro - Appears on Oh My God
Chris Pitman - Current Member who apparently dabbles in guitar too
Brian May - generally accepted to be on Catcher In The Rye
Izzy Stradlin - Rumors have been flying since he played @ Hammerstein

with that many.... 3 guitarists suddenly doesn't seem like too much now does it hihi


didn't Slash do some stuff early on in the project, before CD was called CD (2000 Intentions or something). Wouldn't that be a turn up for the book, if Slash appears on one of the tracks ?nervous
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slash on CD?! OH here come some more rumors.? nervous nervous nervous nervous


Just for fun they could slip one of those extra unlisted tracks onto the end of the album (as they did with TSI). featuring a raw sounding track from 10+ years ago using material from all the people that came and went and never made it onto the official CD
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« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2006, 04:32:02 AM »

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly?

Yes. Especally Fortus. Wouldn't take long in the studio.

Im not saying I want that to happen.. just that its really not difficult.

It's a joke? Sorry but Fortus is very avarage guitarist. I hope he is not on CD.
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« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2006, 04:58:30 AM »

Buckethead parts need to stay at the album. Ron said he didn't re-recorded them. and I really hope that they stay, Richard and Robin are good players but they can't do solos even close to Buckethead, look at Inland Invasion Madagascar... Richard can play it but I'm crying when I remember Buckethead's amazing playing during 01/02 drool
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« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2006, 05:07:32 AM »

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly?

Yes. Especally Fortus. Wouldn't take long in the studio.

Im not saying I want that to happen.. just that its really not difficult.

It's a joke? Sorry but Fortus is very avarage guitarist. I hope he is not on CD.

Lmao  rofl rofl rofl funniest post of the year.
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