GNR to beat the mighty Oasis and U2?

[AxlReznor]

name me a succesful Rock band from britain to have chart sucess (real sucess...) both in UK and US in the last 10 years?

Muse, Stereophonics, Placebo, Manic Street Preachers.

[KeVoRkIaN]

name me a succesful Rock band from britain to have chart sucess (real sucess...) both in UK and US in the last 10 years?

Muse, Stereophonics, Placebo, Manic Street Preachers.

I think Radiohead would top those ones

[daviebuckethead]

i wouldn't call any of those bands rock bands, but if you want to thats your right and your opinion

stereophonics/ placebo/ and the manics are all in the indie catergory for me

and i would say muse/ radiohead were a type of rock band, yes.

the point i still have is trhat with the exception of radiohead (and maybe muse), these bands dont have huge success in USA to my knowledge

[lennonisgod]

i wouldn't call any of those bands rock bands, but if you want to thats your right and your opinion

stereophonics/ placebo/ and the manics are all in the indie catergory for me

and i would say muse/ radiohead were a type of rock band, yes.

the point i still have is trhat with the exception of radiohead (and maybe muse), these bands dont have huge success in USA to my knowledge

WTF?? So NONE of the indie bands are rock bands?? Wow you are one confused person and I just thank God that I don't think like you do.  "IF YOU ARE AN INDIE ROCK BAND, YOU ARE NOT A ROCK BAND!!" Makes a lot of sense.

EDIT:  WHEN DID I SAY THAT U2 WAS BRITISH, LIKE YOU ARE SAYING THAT I SAID??  I NEVER ONCE DID!! I know U2 is from Dublin, which is right next to the UK in Ireland. IS it the Northen part of Ireland that's considered part of the UK or am I wrong?? I know Dublin is in the Souther part, so I am so sorry if Dublin isn't considered part of the UK, but I never said they were fucking British. This is such a dumb fucking argument and you wonder why I think you're 12, because you say things a 12 year old would say. You argue like a 12 year old and repeat the same shit over and over. You make no sense and you proved it with your last post. An indie band can't be a rock band?? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?? I think mommy might be calling you for dinner my little friend.  Off you go now...

[lennonisgod]

i wouldn't call any of those bands rock bands, but if you want to thats your right and your opinion

stereophonics/ placebo/ and the manics are all in the indie catergory for me

and i would say muse/ radiohead were a type of rock band, yes.

the point i still have is trhat with the exception of radiohead (and maybe muse), these bands dont have huge success in USA to my knowledge

And just because I love to prove you wrong because it's so easy... you asked to show you a band that has had huge success in the US and the UK in the last 16 years, so here you go: RADIOHEAD
   
   Chart   
   Peak    
1993   Pablo Honey                         Heatseekers                2
1993   Pablo Honey                         The Billboard 200       32
1995   The Bends                          The Billboard 200        88
1997   OK Computer                        The Billboard 200      21
1997   OK Computer                        Top Canadian Albums  3
1998   Airbag/How Am I Driving [EP]      The Billboard 200       56
1998   Airbag/How Am I Driving [EP]      Top Canadian Albums   12
2000   Kid A                                        The Billboard 200       1
2000   Kid A                                         Top Canadian Albums   1
2001   Amnesiac                             The Billboard 200    2
2001   Amnesiac                             Top Canadian Albums  1
2001   Amnesiac                             Top Internet Albums    1
2001   I Might Be Wrong (live album)       The Billboard 200        44
2001   I Might Be Wrong (live album)       Top Internet Albums     25
2001   Kid A                                         Top Internet Albums   15
2003   Hail to the Thief                    The Billboard 200     3
2003   Hail to the Thief                   Top Canadian Albums   1
2003   Hail to the Thief                      Top Internet Albums  3

Of course now you'll have some stupid argument about why Radiohead "isn't a rock band" or something.  My argument here is finished. Nice talking to you.

[daviebuckethead]

my god, do you even read other peoPles posts, or your own for that matter!!!

YOU CLEARLY LUMPED U2 IN AMONG A HOST OF BRITISH BANDS AND CAST THEM OFF AS THE SAME!!!!

 

i tried to be nice, bury the hatchett if you will but you couldn't leave it.

if you actually read my post i said i didnt think they were rock bands in MY OPINION!!!!!

also, i yeilded that radiohead were  succesfull in US, but said the rest hadn't done so well.

 but then you go and quote a whole load of chart positions for radiohead???

do you even read? stay of the drugs

[daviebuckethead]

sorry for the double post.....

also you are correct.

 i dont see indie music as being as form of rock music, i see it as an extension of the manchester club scene where bands like the happy mondays, stone roses, oasis and blur were the founders, and the buliding blocks on which the genre was built.

to me this is not rock music, not at all.

now indie seems to be jangly guitars with a cockney accent, IMO!! its an opinion so its personal to me.....


so chill out man

[A Private Eye]

As it doesn't seem CD is being released on the 21st anyway it's a somewhat academic arguement.

However

i didnt say GnR weren't popular in the UK and yes they did have a successful euro tour, but they didnt make a huge splash on the popular music culture (charts, various music channels, radio etc etc), when they were like HUGE everywhere else.


of all the bands you listed some finished more than 30 years ago, and some kinda died in the 80's, dont get me wrong, i like those bands, but the fact is there are no great rock bands in the u.k for abot the last 16 years, rock is a far more prominent culture elsewhere (eg. U.S, differernt euro countries).


its not a USA vs UK argument, it was a point to say that i thought U2 and Oasis would sell better in the UK, but not globally, because the UK has next to no rock scene at the moment, take for example Bush, they were a british rock band (and one i didnt like much, but hey...) and they did absolutely fuck all in the UK, to the point where people dont even know who the fuck they were, but in the US they did pretty well for themselves. i think Lost prophets are an example of that too, but i could be wrong.


i also stick by my statement the the musci buying public in britain have "poor muscial taste" imo

Firstly it needed a pretty big band to be able to perform to a full house at Wembley stadium, only bands the size of Queen and the Stones can/could do that, GNR did it twice on the UYI tour I believe they also played at the Milton Keynes bowl which is again a massive venue (80,000+) in 93. I think that qualifys as pretty HUGE in my opinion.


In which European countries is rock more prominent than the UK? We might not have produced a great rock band in the last 10 years but the music produced by those great bands of the last 30-40 years is engrained in our culture, and is still the biggest influence on any British band starting out.



The Lost Prophets are well known here, I didn't know they had done well in the US though.


Your last comment is just plain ignorant though I'm afraid, the music buying public buys whats on sale and in general thats the same stuff as in the US. The fact is there have been no great rock bands on a par with GNR or Queen from either the US or the UK in the last 10 years, so the public buys the best of whats on offer which in Britain has been stuff like Oasis.

[AxlReznor]

In which European countries is rock more prominent than the UK?

Finland, Sweden, Norway.  Rock and metal constantly tops the charts in those country's.

[lennonisgod]

my god, do you even read other peoPles posts, or your own for that matter!!!

YOU CLEARLY LUMPED U2 IN AMONG A HOST OF BRITISH BANDS AND CAST THEM OFF AS THE SAME!!!!

 

i tried to be nice, bury the hatchett if you will but you couldn't leave it.

if you actually read my post i said i didnt think they were rock bands in MY OPINION!!!!!

also, i yeilded that radiohead were  succesfull in US, but said the rest hadn't done so well.

 but then you go and quote a whole load of chart positions for radiohead???

do you even read? stay of the drugs

Before I made my list of bands on the last page, I said "bands from the UK". I'm sorry if those bands WERE British, but I said nothing about being british and just tried to make a list of UK bands with England NOT IN MIND, hence naming U2.  You ALSO NEVER SAID THAT RADIOHEAD WAS SUCCESSFUL in the US, you simply stated and AGREED with someone that Radiohead was indeed a "Rock" band.  You've made me go so far off topic and I'm done with that shit. I wish you would actually take a chance and check out some indie bands, many from America, and I'm sure your OPINION on them being rock would change. Just because they don't have huge recording contracts does NOT MEAN THEY AREN'T ROCK!  Indie is derived from the word INDEPENDENT and simply means that they are free from being commercial and mainstream.  Of course not all Independent bands are rock, they can be from any genre of music out there, but just because you aren't making 10 million dollars a year for being in a huge rock band, doesn't mean a band on an independent label cannot also be a rock band.  It's like saying the band you play in every wednesday night at the bar, isn't a rock band because it's not on a major label. I'm just trying to show you otherwise, because your OPINION on that is wrong. It's just a fact, that's it.  And don't ask if I even read because you have misquoted me so many times already and I have not yet to you.  I don't need to misquote people to try and get my point across.  BTW, I am off the drugs and have been since April, with 13 months left of rehab, so thank you for your concern.

EDIT:  YOU ARE SO FRUSTRATING!!!  I just want to reach through the computer and give a little smack on the head and say "WAKE UP"!!!!!!!!  MAINLY FOR THIS STATEMENT about Independent music: "i see it as an extension of the manchester club scene where bands like the happy mondays, stone roses, oasis and blur were the founders, and the buliding blocks on which the genre was built. To me this is NOT rock music at all." What are you talking about??  How is Oasis a founder of Independent music??  You sir, are one crazy mother fucker, but we all still love you anyway.

[robert32]

Oasis hits collection draws heavily from Definitely Maybe, WTSMG and the b-sides of the Masterplan era if you live in England you probably have all 3 of these records or have been beaten up for not having them. Here in the states I hope it does well some monster tunes on it. Could have used some songs from the Be Here Now era though.

Agreed, they should have at least put Don't Go Away on there.  The rest of the album isn't so great.

[AtariLegend]

IMO opinion oasis were good like 10 years ago, but that my opinion

i think in the U.K (where shite is lauded like its the greatest thing ever!) both oasis and U2 will outsell Cd, thats hard for me to say but the UK just isn't a "rock" country.

in the UK, bands that are/ pretend to be cockneys or drug addicts are the most famed thing, and magazines talk abot them as if they are on the brink of domination on a galatic scale..............fact is hardly anyone outside the UK gives a fuck who they are or what they sound like.............
..........
....so... due to the Uks poor musical taste i say that Oasis and U2 will win there, but in Us and other euro countries it will be GnR and U" in a two horse race

THE UK isn't really a country first of all.  I think that England (a country) for example is more rock than the United States. I live in the US and I would rather listen to most of the UK music before I would listen to some of this new metal bs that all of these shit bands play here in the states. What you said was such an uneducated opinion that is so far from being true.  I feel bad for you. You need to open up your mind and stop listening to the same 3 American bands over and over.  Why do half of these so called "rock" bands that you love in the US, have a fucking DJ in the band?? Rock N' Roll is NOT about having a DJ in the band. That's not rock.  I'm not knocking all new USA bands either, some aren't bad. BUt don't say the UK isn't "ROCK", when in fact so many of the greatest bands of all times have come from that part of the world!!  AND I can't believe you said the UK has "poor musical taste" when the United States of America has some of the worst taste in music EVER!!  Rap and R&B are the top forms of music here, which isn't "rock".  So wouldn't North America be less "rock" than the UK??

my god, your assuming "i know everything about music" is utterly astounding!

did i say i like bands with DJ's? NO!

when i say american bands i mean old school american bands Aerosmith, the crue, seb bach, van halen (old stuff), metallica, Kiss, audioslave and on and on and on............................

Do any of these bands have DJ's? NO!

Have any of these bands ever had chart success and a lot of airplay in the UK? NO!

thats the facts my assuming friend.

the only band IMO in the UK thats doing good rock music (that i have heard) are the tokyo dragons.


instaed the british public like pete doherty, a junkie wanabe, who can barely tune a guitar (thats not a joke btw, im serious) and plays wildly off key shite. the artic mokeys hailed as britains next great act............utterly tuneless.

fact is USA is so massive that there is huge sections of different types of music. Rock, country, rap etc etc.

in the uk that isn't the case, everyone listens to the same ubiquitous shite, save a few people who have some knowledge of music.


 GnR were the biggest band in the world late 80's early 90's and they didn't have huge airplay or chart success, just a die hard fan base. whats chanmged to make them a massive success in britain..

as far as i remember SCOM only just made the top 10 or maybe even 20 in the uk!!!!!

thats why U2 and Oasis will sell better in the UK.


P.s ayone who says U2 are shite are just retarded, do you know its actually ok to like another band and GnR.
also Axl said that U2's "one" was one of the best songs he ever heard and made hime cry when he heard it.......they must be shite then eh?

fool

Hmmmmm... Let me think for a minute... Didn't GN'R just have a pretty damn successful European tour?? YES they did. So don't tell me that GN'R aren't very popular in the UK, that's bull shit.  AND you first say that America has better taste in music than the UK, then you change what you originally said to, "When I say American bands, I mean old-school American bands." You're argument is decelerated because if we compare "old school" american music to "old school" music out of the UK, it really doesn't compare in most cases. Most of the biggest bands EVER TO GRACE THIS WORLD are from the UK; The Beatles, The Stones, The Kinks, Pink Floyd, The Cure, Led Zep, Queen, U2, Oasis, THe Clash, ACDC, etc. Do I even have to go on?? Compare the list you made to the list I made. Sebastian Bach is listed as an all time American great by you?? Come on now. I love Bach, but he's not even near the top of the list as far as American Music goes. In your argument you named old American bands and then started trying to compare them to Pete fucking Doherty (who isn't a wannabe junkie by the way, HE IS A JUNKIE!!!) from the Libertines and the Arctic Monkeys, BOTH NEWER BANDS. I don't know why I'm even arguing with someone like you?? I'm wasting my time with you, so I'm done trying to argue with someone that doesn't know music very well outside of 5 bands. Don't call me a fool either, that's complete idiocy. I never once acted like a 10 year old fucking kid and called you anything. And why the hell did this conversation even turn into a UK VS. USA competition?? You said the UK "wasn't rock" and I was merely sticking up for them and saying they were and you had to change it into something completely different. How can you be so sure that GN'R can't sell well in the UK??  Oasis and U2 are putting out albums of previously released material, right?? If that's the case, how can you be so fucking positive that GN'R can't beat those two bands with a new album of new music??  I don't give a fuck about how well Sweet Child 'O Mine did on the fucking singles chart 18 years ago in the UK, it's a whole new world now. I hope GN'R grabs that top spot and makes you eat your fucking nonsensical, and at times laughable, ridiculous words. I tried so hard not to reply to you because it wasn't worth it, but I ended up typing way too much shit because I can't let someone that knows almost nothing, feel as if they know everything.

first of all... U2 are irish, its only tits from the uk that try and push the uk's musical street cred furter by clasing them "British".

second only two member of ac/dc (current line up) are from uk, both left when they were under the age of 8 i think, thats the same stupid argument that slash is english.....pulease.


i didnt say GnR weren't popular in the UK and yes they did have a successful euro tour, but they didnt make a huge splash on the popular music culture (charts, various music channels, radio etc etc), when they were like HUGE everywhere else.

of all the bands you listed some finished more than 30 years ago, and some kinda died in the 80's, dont get me wrong, i like those bands, but the fact is there are no great rock bands in the u.k for abot the last 16 years, rock is a far more prominent culture elsewhere (eg. U.S, differernt euro countries).


its not a USA vs UK argument, it was a point to say that i thought U2 and Oasis would sell better in the UK, but not globally, because the UK has next to no rock scene at the moment, take for example Bush, they were a british rock band (and one i didnt like much, but hey...) and they did absolutely fuck all in the UK, to the point where people dont even know who the fuck they were, but in the US they did pretty well for themselves. i think Lost prophets are an example of that too, but i could be wrong.


name me a succesful Rock band from britain to have chart sucess (real sucess...) both in UK and US in the last 10 years? there are none coz there is no rock scene in the uk right now!!! there used to be but not now!!!


this is why Oasis will do better than GnR in the uk (even though that sickens me!)


you also said "stop listening to the same american bands with DJ's", thats why i got pissed. you assumed i was some spotty 12 year old sitting pulling my wire to linkin park and jay-z............


i also stick by my statement the the musci buying public in britain have "poor muscial taste" imo

This must be the longest post ever!

[daviebuckethead]

haha, i think you could be right, and i commend lennoniisgod for sticking byb his guns as i will stick to mine

[Rkid]

GNR sold about 5 or 6 million records in the UK. with 1 million records for the GH alone.

my figures are based on shipment sales 

[lennonisgod]

haha, i think you could be right, and i commend lennoniisgod for sticking byb his guns as i will stick to mine

Alright, I agree. I think the argument can now end that we have both said our piece. I'm tired of typing these long as fucking posts...