GNR to beat the mighty Oasis and U2?

[russtcb]

We're not concerned about it getting to number one right away.  It's Geffen who will be, because that's how record labels think.  We're talking from the point of view of a record industry exec here, not as us.

Yeah, that's what I've been posting with the mindset of in these types of threads. I maintain that if the album comes out and sells 100 copies I don't care as long as I like it. I'm sure the record company would like a couple more zero's behind that 100 though...

[HamsterDemocracy]

We're not concerned about it getting to number one right away.  It's Geffen who will be, because that's how record labels think.  We're talking from the point of view of a record industry exec here, not as us.

Yeah, that's what I've been posting with the mindset of in these types of threads. I maintain that if the album comes out and sells 100 copies I don't care as long as I like it. I'm sure the record company would like a couple more zero's behind that 100 though...

Put it this way - if the album fails financially Axl will have failed in his mind because he's set out to prove that he can exist as GN'R without Slash and the boys and if Chinese Democracy doesn't sell very well, in spite of positive reviews, Axl will take it to heart.

That said, I think CD will become a cult phenomenon - it'll have a huge opening, drop real fast in the coming weeks, then slowly build itself up more and more as time passes on. In ten years it'll be considered a masterpiece and something misunderstood and ahead of its time.

[daviebuckethead]

IMO opinion oasis were good like 10 years ago, but that my opinion

i think in the U.K (where shite is lauded like its the greatest thing ever!) both oasis and U2 will outsell Cd, thats hard for me to say but the UK just isn't a "rock" country.

in the UK, bands that are/ pretend to be cockneys or drug addicts are the most famed thing, and magazines talk abot them as if they are on the brink of domination on a galatic scale..............fact is hardly anyone outside the UK gives a fuck who they are or what they sound like.............
..........
....so... due to the Uks poor musical taste i say that Oasis and U2 will win there, but in Us and other euro countries it will be GnR and U" in a two horse race

THE UK isn't really a country first of all.? I think that England (a country) for example is more rock than the United States. I live in the US and I would rather listen to most of the UK music before I would listen to some of this new metal bs that all of these shit bands play here in the states. What you said was such an uneducated opinion that is so far from being true.? I feel bad for you. You need to open up your mind and stop listening to the same 3 American bands over and over.? Why do half of these so called "rock" bands that you love in the US, have a fucking DJ in the band?? Rock N' Roll is NOT about having a DJ in the band. That's not rock.? I'm not knocking all new USA bands either, some aren't bad. BUt don't say the UK isn't "ROCK", when in fact so many of the greatest bands of all times have come from that part of the world!!? AND I can't believe you said the UK has "poor musical taste" when the United States of America has some of the worst taste in music EVER!!? Rap and R&B are the top forms of music here, which isn't "rock".? So wouldn't North America be less "rock" than the UK??

my god, your assuming "i know everything about music" is utterly astounding!

did i say i like bands with DJ's? NO!

when i say american bands i mean old school american bands Aerosmith, the crue, seb bach, van halen (old stuff), metallica, Kiss, audioslave and on and on and on............................

Do any of these bands have DJ's? NO!

Have any of these bands ever had chart success and a lot of airplay in the UK? NO!

thats the facts my assuming friend.

the only band IMO in the UK thats doing good rock music (that i have heard) are the tokyo dragons.


instaed the british public like pete doherty, a junkie wanabe, who can barely tune a guitar (thats not a joke btw, im serious) and plays wildly off key shite. the artic mokeys hailed as britains next great act............utterly tuneless.

fact is USA is so massive that there is huge sections of different types of music. Rock, country, rap etc etc.

in the uk that isn't the case, everyone listens to the same ubiquitous shite, save a few people who have some knowledge of music.


 GnR were the biggest band in the world late 80's early 90's and they didn't have huge airplay or chart success, just a die hard fan base. whats chanmged to make them a massive success in britain..

as far as i remember SCOM only just made the top 10 or maybe even 20 in the uk!!!!!

thats why U2 and Oasis will sell better in the UK.


P.s ayone who says U2 are shite are just retarded, do you know its actually ok to like another band and GnR.
also Axl said that U2's "one" was one of the best songs he ever heard and made hime cry when he heard it.......they must be shite then eh?

fool

[dodger girl]

apparently Rock Star Supernova is releasing their album on November 21st too

[-Jack-]

apparently Rock Star Supernova is releasing their album on November 21st too

Uh OH!   

Chinese Democracy is gonna get crushed. 

[Niko]

first thing first, OASIS IS NOT MIGHTY !

[HamsterDemocracy]

first thing first, OASIS IS NOT MIGHTY !

Thanks to the success of their critically acclaimed debut album Definitely Maybe and its 19 million selling follow-up, (What's the Story) Morning Glory?; coupled with a supposed rivalry with contemporary band Blur, Oasis became one of the most successful and prominent British bands of the mid-90s and one of the leaders of the Britpop movement. The Gallagher brothers featured regularly in tabloid newspaper stories, and cultivated a reputation as both bad boys and the band of the people. At the height of their fame, their 1997 third album Be Here Now reached #1 in the UK charts and also became the fastest-selling album in chart history, with almost half a million copies sold on the first day alone.

Having survived the loss of founding members and sustaining support from their loyal fan base, Oasis have managed to outlast many of their Britpop contemporaries. Suede, Pulp and some other peer groups have split up, or record only infrequently (Blur), while Oasis maintain a regular schedule of releases and touring to popular acclaim. Oasis have sold more than 50 million records worldwide (including singles).

[nesquick]

Guns N' Roses is a fantastic band
U2 is a fantastic band
Oasis is a fantastic band

It's not a "fight". You can love all of them. Anyway, I don't think ChiDem will be released on the same day though...

[HamsterDemocracy]

Guns N' Roses is a fantastic band
U2 is a fantastic band
Oasis is a fantastic band

It's not a "fight". You can love all of them. Anyway, I don't think ChiDem will be released on the same day though...

Finally someone said it.

[AtariLegend]

Guns N' Roses is a fantastic band
U2 is a fantastic band
Oasis is a fantastic band

It's not a "fight". You can love all of them. Anyway, I don't think ChiDem will be released on the same day though...

Finally someone said it.

Wouldn't it be great if this was on the first page, and there was no argument.

[lennonisgod]

IMO opinion oasis were good like 10 years ago, but that my opinion

i think in the U.K (where shite is lauded like its the greatest thing ever!) both oasis and U2 will outsell Cd, thats hard for me to say but the UK just isn't a "rock" country.

in the UK, bands that are/ pretend to be cockneys or drug addicts are the most famed thing, and magazines talk abot them as if they are on the brink of domination on a galatic scale..............fact is hardly anyone outside the UK gives a fuck who they are or what they sound like.............
..........
....so... due to the Uks poor musical taste i say that Oasis and U2 will win there, but in Us and other euro countries it will be GnR and U" in a two horse race

THE UK isn't really a country first of all.  I think that England (a country) for example is more rock than the United States. I live in the US and I would rather listen to most of the UK music before I would listen to some of this new metal bs that all of these shit bands play here in the states. What you said was such an uneducated opinion that is so far from being true.  I feel bad for you. You need to open up your mind and stop listening to the same 3 American bands over and over.  Why do half of these so called "rock" bands that you love in the US, have a fucking DJ in the band?? Rock N' Roll is NOT about having a DJ in the band. That's not rock.  I'm not knocking all new USA bands either, some aren't bad. BUt don't say the UK isn't "ROCK", when in fact so many of the greatest bands of all times have come from that part of the world!!  AND I can't believe you said the UK has "poor musical taste" when the United States of America has some of the worst taste in music EVER!!  Rap and R&B are the top forms of music here, which isn't "rock".  So wouldn't North America be less "rock" than the UK??

my god, your assuming "i know everything about music" is utterly astounding!

did i say i like bands with DJ's? NO!

when i say american bands i mean old school american bands Aerosmith, the crue, seb bach, van halen (old stuff), metallica, Kiss, audioslave and on and on and on............................

Do any of these bands have DJ's? NO!

Have any of these bands ever had chart success and a lot of airplay in the UK? NO!

thats the facts my assuming friend.

the only band IMO in the UK thats doing good rock music (that i have heard) are the tokyo dragons.


instaed the british public like pete doherty, a junkie wanabe, who can barely tune a guitar (thats not a joke btw, im serious) and plays wildly off key shite. the artic mokeys hailed as britains next great act............utterly tuneless.

fact is USA is so massive that there is huge sections of different types of music. Rock, country, rap etc etc.

in the uk that isn't the case, everyone listens to the same ubiquitous shite, save a few people who have some knowledge of music.


 GnR were the biggest band in the world late 80's early 90's and they didn't have huge airplay or chart success, just a die hard fan base. whats chanmged to make them a massive success in britain..

as far as i remember SCOM only just made the top 10 or maybe even 20 in the uk!!!!!

thats why U2 and Oasis will sell better in the UK.


P.s ayone who says U2 are shite are just retarded, do you know its actually ok to like another band and GnR.
also Axl said that U2's "one" was one of the best songs he ever heard and made hime cry when he heard it.......they must be shite then eh?

fool

Hmmmmm... Let me think for a minute... Didn't GN'R just have a pretty damn successful European tour?? YES they did. So don't tell me that GN'R aren't very popular in the UK, that's bull shit.  AND you first say that America has better taste in music than the UK, then you change what you originally said to, "When I say American bands, I mean old-school American bands." You're argument is decelerated because if we compare "old school" american music to "old school" music out of the UK, it really doesn't compare in most cases. Most of the biggest bands EVER TO GRACE THIS WORLD are from the UK; The Beatles, The Stones, The Kinks, Pink Floyd, The Cure, Led Zep, Queen, U2, Oasis, THe Clash, ACDC, etc. Do I even have to go on?? Compare the list you made to the list I made. Sebastian Bach is listed as an all time American great by you?? Come on now. I love Bach, but he's not even near the top of the list as far as American Music goes. In your argument you named old American bands and then started trying to compare them to Pete fucking Doherty (who isn't a wannabe junkie by the way, HE IS A JUNKIE!!!) from the Libertines and the Arctic Monkeys, BOTH NEWER BANDS. I don't know why I'm even arguing with someone like you?? I'm wasting my time with you, so I'm done trying to argue with someone that doesn't know music very well outside of 5 bands. Don't call me a fool either, that's complete idiocy. I never once acted like a 10 year old fucking kid and called you anything. And why the hell did this conversation even turn into a UK VS. USA competition?? You said the UK "wasn't rock" and I was merely sticking up for them and saying they were and you had to change it into something completely different. How can you be so sure that GN'R can't sell well in the UK??  Oasis and U2 are putting out albums of previously released material, right?? If that's the case, how can you be so fucking positive that GN'R can't beat those two bands with a new album of new music??  I don't give a fuck about how well Sweet Child 'O Mine did on the fucking singles chart 18 years ago in the UK, it's a whole new world now. I hope GN'R grabs that top spot and makes you eat your fucking nonsensical, and at times laughable, ridiculous words. I tried so hard not to reply to you because it wasn't worth it, but I ended up typing way too much shit because I can't let someone that knows almost nothing, feel as if they know everything.

[Funeral]

the mighty Oasis?? lolol

Oasis has sold more records than GNR worldwide I would wager its close but I'd say Oasis trumps them.? LennonisGod your signature is killer, and for all you Oasis haters every trendy band you have heard in the past 5 years is heavily Oasis influenced.

Didn't mean to start a peeing match over the whole thing.  I just thought "Mighty Oasis" deserved a good laugh.

[cpaxlvacy]

ahahahhaha only apettite for destruction has sold more copies world wide than all Oasis albums put together, this so funny, i used to like the almighty Oasis, but their couple last albums suck big time...

And U2 is U2 , the best band ever...Period.

[HamsterDemocracy]

the mighty Oasis?  lolol

Oasis has sold more records than GNR worldwide I would wager its close but I'd say Oasis trumps them.  LennonisGod your signature is killer, and for all you Oasis haters every trendy band you have heard in the past 5 years is heavily Oasis influenced.

ahahahhaha only apettite for destruction has sold more copies world wide than all Oasis albums put together, this so funny, i used to like the almighty Oasis, but their couple last albums suck big time...

And U2 is U2 , the best band ever...Period.

Didn't mean to start a peeing match over the whole thing.  I just thought "Mighty Oasis" deserved a good laugh.

Appetite for Destruction has not sold more copies than all Oasis albums put together.  It's a huge album but it's not that huge. GN'R has sold 80 million albums worldwide, am I wrong? Or is that a national count?

[Rkid]

back in the 90' s Oasis were very big in america Morning glory went 4xplatinum, Be here now peaked at #2 in the us.

Last year their album "don't believe the truth" sort of made a comback when it charted at #12 (despite practically zero promo). Their tour in america for DBTT was thier biggest ever. They sold out Madison square gardens in just 1 hour, they also sold out the hollywood bowl, Boston Tweeter Center and other venues.

If oasis were pushed by promotion they would still be massive in america. Yet they don't get any promo i mean most of oasis album sales are based on the Hardcore Fans.

But in The Uk Oasis are still the biggest band in the UK for the last 15years. And they should beat u2 to #1 gnrs will probably be top5 but not #1 in the uk.

[Rkid]

the mighty Oasis?? lolol

Oasis has sold more records than GNR worldwide I would wager its close but I'd say Oasis trumps them.? LennonisGod your signature is killer, and for all you Oasis haters every trendy band you have heard in the past 5 years is heavily Oasis influenced.

ahahahhaha only apettite for destruction has sold more copies world wide than all Oasis albums put together, this so funny, i used to like the almighty Oasis, but their couple last albums suck big time...

And U2 is U2 , the best band ever...Period.

Didn't mean to start a peeing match over the whole thing.? I just thought "Mighty Oasis" deserved a good laugh.

Appetite for Destruction has not sold more copies than all Oasis albums put together.? It's a huge album but it's not that huge. GN'R has sold 80 million albums worldwide, am I wrong? Or is that a national count?

80million yeah about right

GNR have sold

38.5million in the us

2m Uk

Total (40.5 Uk+Usa)
------------
U2

Uk 15.5m
Us 50.5m

Total (66m uk+usa)
---------------

Oasis

7m US

13m Uk

total 20m (uk+usa)

[AtariLegend]

the mighty Oasis?  lolol

Oasis has sold more records than GNR worldwide I would wager its close but I'd say Oasis trumps them.  LennonisGod your signature is killer, and for all you Oasis haters every trendy band you have heard in the past 5 years is heavily Oasis influenced.

ahahahhaha only apettite for destruction has sold more copies world wide than all Oasis albums put together, this so funny, i used to like the almighty Oasis, but their couple last albums suck big time...

And U2 is U2 , the best band ever...Period.

Didn't mean to start a peeing match over the whole thing.  I just thought "Mighty Oasis" deserved a good laugh.

Appetite for Destruction has not sold more copies than all Oasis albums put together.  It's a huge album but it's not that huge. GN'R has sold 80 million albums worldwide, am I wrong? Or is that a national count?

80million yeah about right

GNR have sold

38.5million in the us

2m Uk

Total (40.5 Uk+Usa)
------------
U2

Uk 15.5m
Us 50.5m

Total (66m uk+usa)
---------------

Oasis

7m US

13m Uk

total 20m (uk+usa)

You seem to forget the rest of the world sales, in which case GNR would win anyway.

[russtcb]

apparently Rock Star Supernova is releasing their album on November 21st too

Uh OH!   

Chinese Democracy is gonna get crushed. 

Haha.... thats funny. The guy that won that show was in my store the other night. He was actually a pretty nice guy but his "people" were cockasses.

[nesquick]

GNR sold about 5 or 6 million records in the UK. with 1 million records for the GH alone.

[daviebuckethead]

IMO opinion oasis were good like 10 years ago, but that my opinion

i think in the U.K (where shite is lauded like its the greatest thing ever!) both oasis and U2 will outsell Cd, thats hard for me to say but the UK just isn't a "rock" country.

in the UK, bands that are/ pretend to be cockneys or drug addicts are the most famed thing, and magazines talk abot them as if they are on the brink of domination on a galatic scale..............fact is hardly anyone outside the UK gives a fuck who they are or what they sound like.............
..........
....so... due to the Uks poor musical taste i say that Oasis and U2 will win there, but in Us and other euro countries it will be GnR and U" in a two horse race

THE UK isn't really a country first of all.? I think that England (a country) for example is more rock than the United States. I live in the US and I would rather listen to most of the UK music before I would listen to some of this new metal bs that all of these shit bands play here in the states. What you said was such an uneducated opinion that is so far from being true.? I feel bad for you. You need to open up your mind and stop listening to the same 3 American bands over and over.? Why do half of these so called "rock" bands that you love in the US, have a fucking DJ in the band?? Rock N' Roll is NOT about having a DJ in the band. That's not rock.? I'm not knocking all new USA bands either, some aren't bad. BUt don't say the UK isn't "ROCK", when in fact so many of the greatest bands of all times have come from that part of the world!!? AND I can't believe you said the UK has "poor musical taste" when the United States of America has some of the worst taste in music EVER!!? Rap and R&B are the top forms of music here, which isn't "rock".? So wouldn't North America be less "rock" than the UK??

my god, your assuming "i know everything about music" is utterly astounding!

did i say i like bands with DJ's? NO!

when i say american bands i mean old school american bands Aerosmith, the crue, seb bach, van halen (old stuff), metallica, Kiss, audioslave and on and on and on............................

Do any of these bands have DJ's? NO!

Have any of these bands ever had chart success and a lot of airplay in the UK? NO!

thats the facts my assuming friend.

the only band IMO in the UK thats doing good rock music (that i have heard) are the tokyo dragons.


instaed the british public like pete doherty, a junkie wanabe, who can barely tune a guitar (thats not a joke btw, im serious) and plays wildly off key shite. the artic mokeys hailed as britains next great act............utterly tuneless.

fact is USA is so massive that there is huge sections of different types of music. Rock, country, rap etc etc.

in the uk that isn't the case, everyone listens to the same ubiquitous shite, save a few people who have some knowledge of music.


 GnR were the biggest band in the world late 80's early 90's and they didn't have huge airplay or chart success, just a die hard fan base. whats chanmged to make them a massive success in britain..

as far as i remember SCOM only just made the top 10 or maybe even 20 in the uk!!!!!

thats why U2 and Oasis will sell better in the UK.


P.s ayone who says U2 are shite are just retarded, do you know its actually ok to like another band and GnR.
also Axl said that U2's "one" was one of the best songs he ever heard and made hime cry when he heard it.......they must be shite then eh?

fool

Hmmmmm... Let me think for a minute... Didn't GN'R just have a pretty damn successful European tour?? YES they did. So don't tell me that GN'R aren't very popular in the UK, that's bull shit.? AND you first say that America has better taste in music than the UK, then you change what you originally said to, "When I say American bands, I mean old-school American bands." You're argument is decelerated because if we compare "old school" american music to "old school" music out of the UK, it really doesn't compare in most cases. Most of the biggest bands EVER TO GRACE THIS WORLD are from the UK; The Beatles, The Stones, The Kinks, Pink Floyd, The Cure, Led Zep, Queen, U2, Oasis, THe Clash, ACDC, etc. Do I even have to go on?? Compare the list you made to the list I made. Sebastian Bach is listed as an all time American great by you?? Come on now. I love Bach, but he's not even near the top of the list as far as American Music goes. In your argument you named old American bands and then started trying to compare them to Pete fucking Doherty (who isn't a wannabe junkie by the way, HE IS A JUNKIE!!!) from the Libertines and the Arctic Monkeys, BOTH NEWER BANDS. I don't know why I'm even arguing with someone like you?? I'm wasting my time with you, so I'm done trying to argue with someone that doesn't know music very well outside of 5 bands. Don't call me a fool either, that's complete idiocy. I never once acted like a 10 year old fucking kid and called you anything. And why the hell did this conversation even turn into a UK VS. USA competition?? You said the UK "wasn't rock" and I was merely sticking up for them and saying they were and you had to change it into something completely different. How can you be so sure that GN'R can't sell well in the UK??? Oasis and U2 are putting out albums of previously released material, right?? If that's the case, how can you be so fucking positive that GN'R can't beat those two bands with a new album of new music??? I don't give a fuck about how well Sweet Child 'O Mine did on the fucking singles chart 18 years ago in the UK, it's a whole new world now. I hope GN'R grabs that top spot and makes you eat your fucking nonsensical, and at times laughable, ridiculous words. I tried so hard not to reply to you because it wasn't worth it, but I ended up typing way too much shit because I can't let someone that knows almost nothing, feel as if they know everything.

first of all... U2 are irish, its only tits from the uk that try and push the uk's musical street cred furter by clasing them "British".

second only two member of ac/dc (current line up) are from uk, both left when they were under the age of 8 i think, thats the same stupid argument that slash is english.....pulease.


i didnt say GnR weren't popular in the UK and yes they did have a successful euro tour, but they didnt make a huge splash on the popular music culture (charts, various music channels, radio etc etc), when they were like HUGE everywhere else.

of all the bands you listed some finished more than 30 years ago, and some kinda died in the 80's, dont get me wrong, i like those bands, but the fact is there are no great rock bands in the u.k for abot the last 16 years, rock is a far more prominent culture elsewhere (eg. U.S, differernt euro countries).


its not a USA vs UK argument, it was a point to say that i thought U2 and Oasis would sell better in the UK, but not globally, because the UK has next to no rock scene at the moment, take for example Bush, they were a british rock band (and one i didnt like much, but hey...) and they did absolutely fuck all in the UK, to the point where people dont even know who the fuck they were, but in the US they did pretty well for themselves. i think Lost prophets are an example of that too, but i could be wrong.


name me a succesful Rock band from britain to have chart sucess (real sucess...) both in UK and US in the last 10 years? there are none coz there is no rock scene in the uk right now!!! there used to be but not now!!!


this is why Oasis will do better than GnR in the uk (even though that sickens me!)


you also said "stop listening to the same american bands with DJ's", thats why i got pissed. you assumed i was some spotty 12 year old sitting pulling my wire to linkin park and jay-z............


i also stick by my statement the the musci buying public in britain have "poor muscial taste" imo