GN'R @ the 2002 MTV VMAs thread

[KeVoRkIaN]

Sort of look like Gargoyle Legends too hard to see for sure

[coolbuddy]

 well they look cool , I want to try them too if I get them somewhere....AXL DA MAN ROCKS!!!

[badapple81]

Where are those pics taken from?

[rocktar81]

Ok, if you go to http://www.gnronline.it/Home.htm (download--> video) you can download the VMA 2002 in 7 parts.
AXL: Sincerely, I want to be honnest: ok Axl didn't sound good at all BUT he had "it" at the moment. The exitation was here and you can feel it even 1 year and a half later. It's difficult to explain, the feeling was here, I still feel it today. The audience seemed really amazed.
THE BAND: the band sounded great. I don't think Ive already read one negative comment about the band, about the musicians behind Axl.

In fact, it's just 1 or 2 days later that I started to hear some negatives comments about how Axl sounded bad. BUT at the moment, during the performance "live", I think everybody was really, really into the thing. At the end, you can hear the exclamation of the audience for Axl, it's very loud. You can see on jimmy falcon's reaction how happy he was.
The following day, did anybody see this poll on MTV.COM? somethinkg like "what was the best thing of the VMA 2002?". I remember the results were something like:
1) Guns n' Roses return: 41%
2) Eminem: 19%
etc...(I don't know if it's the exact figures but it was something like that with GN'R with more than 40% and eminem under 20%!)

Just want to know: am I the only one to think that the VMA 2002 wasn't THAT bad? IMO, exept Axl's voice, the rest was GREAT. I still believe it was the best performance of the whole ceremony. Just before,  puff daddy sucked! people seemed so bored! then came Guns n' Roses and yeah, you can feel still it today, it was very exiting at the moment.

[DemocracyRose]

GNR was great that night.... :

[Immortal-Cry]

I realy dont know how the reaction were if Axl sounded like in the 90'.
Do you think the reputation of the public were better? I dont think so, what the pple want is Slash, Duff and Izzy back. You cant go on stage with 15 year old material and one new song and a complete new lineup and make the whole world happy. During the performance I guess most pple really dont realize the whole Buckethead, Robin thing. They were blown away by a rockstar performance which people dont know from popbands and softcorecrap which usually play at the VMA's today. People will start to like the new GN'R if they put CD out. The problem is and was that the world dont know GN'R anymore and in memories there was Slash&Axl. For the pple at the VMA's there was only the "bad axl voice" and NO SLASH. But soon, I realy hope so they will know the new GN'R if they put this fuckin CD out and show the world that there could exist a kick ass GNR witout Slash etc.
I  think if Slash and the old lineup were on stage at the 2002VMA'S pple didnt even critizise Axls voice. They dont respect the new GNR, but soon they will.
The problem is that you cant indentify with a GNR "cover band" which dont have own songs but this will change

So yes, GNR were great but the pple wanted the old GNR or a NEW GNR with new kickass songs. Both didnt happen till NOW.

just my opinion

[Izzy]

Axl didn't sound great - but it was great just to see they were all still alive

[jellyhead]

But us GN'R fans have had the option to download and watch the show over and over, convincing ourselves it wasn't to bad.

Most people who aren't huge GN'R fans would have watched the live broadcast and thought "Uhh...this isn't great".  The majority of  audience wouldn't have thought "Gee i'll have to buy these guys album when it comes out".  

It wasn't a great performance, there were some obvious mistakes with the band as well as Axl.  Check the ending of WTTJ, the band are confused as to when they should switch to Maddy.  Start of PC is messy also.  Not to mention Axl vox...

Sorry to be negative, I'm a huge GNR fan but that night i felt very disappointed by their performance.  Non GN'R fans with a mild interest would've just been left wondering what all the fuss was about that scrappy band that finished the VMA's show....

[Fuckin' Gunner]

VMa's show was fuckin' great, but Axl didn't sounded very good... but I still thinking it was amazing.

[Mutherfunker]

But us GN'R fans have had the option to download and watch the show over and over, convincing ourselves it wasn't to bad.

Quite the opposite, everyone thought they kicked ass until us fans watched it over and over and started picking out mistakes and shit.

Most people who aren't huge GN'R fans would have watched the live broadcast and thought "Uhh...this isn't great".  The majority of  audience wouldn't have thought "Gee i'll have to buy these guys album when it comes out".  

Of course.... you're qualified to tell us that  

It wasn't a great performance, there were some obvious mistakes with the band as well as Axl.  Check the ending of WTTJ, the band are confused as to when they should switch to Maddy.  Start of PC is messy also.  Not to mention Axl vox...

Are you kidding, the band were fucking great, they kicked ass. Axl's vocals were fucked up during WTTJ, but that's cuz he was messing with his ear piece. His wail at the beginningwas amazing, and his performance during madagascar and PC was great.

Apart from this the whole thing was put together at the last second, and the band still pulled it off. How do you know the transitions weren't supposed to be like that? They sounded fine to me.

Non GN'R fans with a mild interest would've just been left wondering what all the fuss was about that scrappy band that finished the VMA's show....

Again, your logic just floors me, you must be right.  

@#$%Muther

[Doc Emmett Brown]

The problem is that you cant indentify with a GNR "cover band" which dont have own songs but this will change

So yes, GNR were great but the pple wanted the old GNR or a NEW GNR with new kickass songs. Both didnt happen till NOW.

I like how you said that!  It's hard to identify with newGNR essentially "covering" old Guns music, but there's much more feeling of a "band" when they play their own new music.

The first time I saw the VMA performance (I downloaded it), I was shocked to see how much Axl had changed.  But he seemed happy and excited to be on stage, and I think he communicated that well with the live audience.  That's what makes him a great frontman.

[Dave_Rose]

I dont think The VMA's Sucked I thought it was good and shocking but it could have been better

[rocktar81]

In Paris, it was about 5 AM. I didn't sleep all the night because I KNEW that Guns n' Roses were going to show up. 2 or 3 days before, there were lots of rumours and then I saw jimmy falcon Guns n' Roses tee-shirt...
During the thing, I was totally exited, I just noticed that Axl fucked up the "welcome to the jungle, we've got fun and game, we've got everything..." his voice was "strange"and I saw he was out of breath  but in fact I didn't care at the moment, I was just here watching him and thinking "HE is back". I would have loved to see Slash and the old band too but only Axl made me fucking crazy. I LOVED the confettis and the pyro during Paradise city, and then Axl's interview. I recorded the whole thing. I was shocked ,well shocked. It was great!

[HoldenCaulfield]

The performance was great, highly underrated. Their performance of 'Madagascar', if you listen to all of them 1000's of times like I have, remains the single best performance of that song since we first heard it in Rio.

[jellyhead]

The fact that we're even having this conversation 18 months after the event and the title of the thread that you created point towards the idea that on the night GNR didn't put in a great performance and convince people that they were a superb band.  There was doubt.  You suggest that yourself with your thread title.  Just add "...even though the general consensus was that they weren't great that night".  See what i mean?

I think a few nights after the event Matt Damon dressed up as Axl on SNL and poked fun out of Axl's performance.  It definetely didn't go unnoticed.  Thats just one example.

Don't get me wrong, it was great to see them back on the big stage, so to speak.  i just think that on the night it was a bad performance.  Thats my opinion.

[HoldenCaulfield]

If you think it was a bad performance, your opinion blows! I've listened to that entire performance too many times to count, and it was a GREAT performance! The only half-bad thing was Axl's voice got weak at the end of 'Jungle', but that was the only blemish on the entire performance...

[rocktar81]

look at the audience, look at their reaction, look at their face, look at jimmy falcon...oh yeah they all seemed VERY happy! once again, "something" happened at this moment. you can't say you can't feel it...1 year and a half later I still feel it.

[Mutherfunker]

If you think it was a bad performance, your opinion blows! I've listened to that entire performance too many times to count, and it was a GREAT performance! The only half-bad thing was Axl's voice got weak at the end of 'Jungle', but that was the only blemish on the entire performance...

Correctamundo  

Besides that Matt Damon thing which would have been done whether they were great or not, you won't find many people who have said they were shit. The reaction at the beginning was amazing, the reaction of the whole place at the end was amazing, and everyone's reaction after was amazing. I believe words were: "I don't think anything can top that". Not to mention the fact that Jimmy Fallon is a huge fan and mentioned AFD, UYI, and said that the band was still unbelievable.

Having said that, it's also important to remember that discussing technical hitches like sound troubles or the odd mistake if there was any is not the be all. Fact of the matter is, it was electrifying, the place went nuts, it had huge impact, and was enjoyable. End of story.

@#$%Muther

@#$%Muther

[Booker Floyd]

The band sounded great, and Axl was great on "Madagascar," but he sounded pretty bad on the rest.  Give any excuse you want, thats how it appeared to most who watched it.  Every single person that Ive talked to about it always brings up how bad he sounded.

Of course, people were going crazy, it was a high-energy affair, that doesnt change how Axl sounded.  The last "Sha-na-na-na..."s are cringeworthy and his tone in "Paradise City"...

But by all means, continue with the excuses and denial.

[EVH]

All in all it rocked.