since gnr are going back into the studio could this mean Ron may redo some parts

[jameslofton29]

It don't matter much.

If you gave Ron Thal a few days in a studio with the calibre of technicians that GNR has at its disposal, he could re-record the entire album to the same quality.

The guy is a A+ guitarist.

Is that a joke?? He makes IRS and Better sound like cosmic jokes. No way in hell could he re-record the album in a few days. Well, he could. But it would be sub par at best. I want these songs to shine. Hard to belive that some people want mediocrity.

You always hinting at mediocrity when Ron's abilities are the topic is the real joke here. I'm not saying Ron could or should record the album in a couple of days. You however, systematically give Ron way too little credits to the point of absurdity. I've listened to both Buckethead and Ron (and almost every other virtuoso) since the early nineties and when Buckethead joined I was one of the first to back him up in places like this. Ron is every bit the guitarplayer Buckethead is. Don't get me wrong, have your personal favorite as much as you like, but do so without being an ass about the guy who in the virtuoso-scene (pure as a guitarplayer and musician) is even more admired than Buckethead.

-PEACE-

The issue isn't BBF's SOLO capability. Its the way he plays BH material, and if he is capable of redoing those parts. The obvious answer to that is no. Proof?? Go listen to 2002 bootlegs and the demos, and then listen to 2006 boots. If you dont notice a huge difference, then you are clinically deaf, and this conversation doesn't need to go any further.


Garry and Aquila, take a long walk off a short pier.

[BluesGNR]

It don't matter much.

If you gave Ron Thal a few days in a studio with the calibre of technicians that GNR has at its disposal, he could re-record the entire album to the same quality.

The guy is a A+ guitarist.

Is that a joke?? He makes IRS and Better sound like cosmic jokes. No way in hell could he re-record the album in a few days. Well, he could. But it would be sub par at best. I want these songs to shine. Hard to belive that some people want mediocrity.

Cosmic jokes?? Whatever dude...prepare to be blown away at Arco.? We all know the album is not going to have Ron's parts, but stop insulting the guy.? He shined on the new songs, and you haven't seen him live or heard many booy legs, so your statements can be likened to slander.

First off, it'd be libel and not slander.  Secondly, a simple defense against such an allegation would be the TRUTH.  I find a lot of that in his statement...

[the dirt]

I havn't seen one solid form of proof that Buckethead will be on the album.

And since this is such a collaborative effort what are the chances of dual creditations happening? Such as solo and bridge by Zakk Wylde/played by Robin...

[ben9785]

I havn't seen one solid form of proof that Buckethead will be on the album.

And since this is such a collaborative effort what are the chances of dual creditations happening? Such as solo and bridge by Zakk Wylde/played by Robin...

See that's the mystery, there's been so many lineup changes for starters, so many started and aborted recording sessions, we don't know for sure if all the material was culled from one specific session, or if it's more cut and pasted based on different recording takes.. if chinese democacy is truly the product of about 15 years worth of collaborators, they're not gonna have enough space in the average cd booklet to fit all the credits. either that, or it'll probably be like a page per song considering the size of cd booklets. Probably even something like:

4. THIS I LOVE

Lyrics by W. Axl Rose
Music composed and arranged by W. Axl Rose/Zakk Wylde/Billy Howerdel/Richard Fortus/Chris Vrenna/Brain/Robin Fick/Buckethead
Except String Arrangement by W. Axl Rose, Dizzy Reed, Chris Pittman, Billy Howerdel
Vocals - W. Axl Rose
Bass - Tommy Stinson
Rythmn Guitar on first verse - Zakk Wylde
Rythmn Guitar on first chorus - Robin Finck
Rythmn Guitar on second verse - Billy Howerdel
Lead Guitar on second verse - Richard Fortus
Rythmn Guitar on second chorus - Zakk Wylde
Rythmn Guitar on third verse - Robin Finck
Lead Guitar on third chorus - Billy Howerdel
Rythmn Guitar on third chorus - Richard Fortus
Rythmn Guitar on bridge - W. Axl Rose
1st lead - Zakk Wylde
Rythmn Guitar in 1st lead - Richard Fortus
2nd lead - Robin Finck
Rythmn Guitar in 2nd lead - Billy Howerdel
3rd lead - Buckethead
Rythmn Guitar in 3rd lead - Zakk Wylde
Outro lead - Buckethead
Outro guitar - Richard Fortus
Acoustic Piano - W. Axl Rose
Electric Piano - Dizzy Reed
Strings (Synth) - Dizzy Reed, Chris Pittman
Electronic / Keyboard - Chris Pittman
Drums - Brain
Treated Drums - Chris Vienna
Produced by xxxx
Mixed by xxx
Engineered by xxx
Recorded at xxx
Mixed at xxx
Engineered at xxx

etc...

Ok that might be over the top but hey.. who knows..

[mdttkk]

It BETTER have Buckethead's parts on it.  Just listen to the solos in Better and I.R.S...they are brilliant.  Ron is a very good technical player, maybe the best.  But Buckethead's parts will set this album off.

nobody in america or even europe cares who buckethead is and the difference in sound, only the hardcores or buckethead fans at best.  it will make no difference.

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

It don't matter much.

If you gave Ron Thal a few days in a studio with the calibre of technicians that GNR has at its disposal, he could re-record the entire album to the same quality.

The guy is a A+ guitarist.

Is that a joke?? He makes IRS and Better sound like cosmic jokes. No way in hell could he re-record the album in a few days. Well, he could. But it would be sub par at best. I want these songs to shine. Hard to belive that some people want mediocrity.

You always hinting at mediocrity when Ron's abilities are the topic is the real joke here. I'm not saying Ron could or should record the album in a couple of days. You however, systematically give Ron way too little credits to the point of absurdity. I've listened to both Buckethead and Ron (and almost every other virtuoso) since the early nineties and when Buckethead joined I was one of the first to back him up in places like this. Ron is every bit the guitarplayer Buckethead is. Don't get me wrong, have your personal favorite as much as you like, but do so without being an ass about the guy who in the virtuoso-scene (pure as a guitarplayer and musician) is even more admired than Buckethead.

-PEACE-

The issue isn't BBF's SOLO capability. Its the way he plays BH material, and if he is capable of redoing those parts. The obvious answer to that is no. Proof?? Go listen to 2002 bootlegs and the demos, and then listen to 2006 boots. If you dont notice a huge difference, then you are clinically deaf, and this conversation doesn't need to go any further.


Garry and Aquila, take a long walk off a short pier.

I can swim, thank you very much.